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Arien   
1 Feb 2010
Love / Polish Girls vs Russian Girls [813]

Only polish girls choose the poor ones.

Well, the poor ones often have more muscles to work with, a stronger character, have a deeper sense of what morality really means, are far more loyal to their partner in most cases, are probably also more grateful for everything they recieve in life and appreciate the little things, and they probably pass on the stronger genes aswell.. (Because they're usually coming from a long line of work horses!)
Arien   
1 Feb 2010
News / Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES [286]

He is clearly in the know on this one.

She?

Arien put you to shame, jarnowa, so I'll be light.

I didn't mean to, because despite of our disagreements, atleast he's honest about how he vieuws things, just speaking my mind that's all! (I allow myself to get carried away sometimes?)
Arien   
1 Feb 2010
News / Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES [286]

I recognize a lot.

I'm not surprised, because I know I'm not unique.

I've also been to loads of sh#t. Have been humiliated many times and i've been poor for ages. Yet i've never committed any serious crime (except shoplifting when i was a kid).

Hey, me neither!

Why should i have any understanding for scum who have been through less sh#t but didn't stay on the right path?

I'm not asking for understanding, nor am I justifying any crimes for that matter. I'm simply pointing out that our societies could see a dramatical decline in crime rates, if only some people could be convinced of the mutual benefits of sharing in all fairness, instead of forcing the poorest of the poor to pay even more, just so that they can throw another party..

You just know it doesn't make sense that minimum incomes have been dropping or at best are being frozen, while middle class incomes are increasing every year. (Keep in mind everything else keeps getting more expensive aswell!) There's simply no sense in denying that this makes certain people who work for, or even less than the minimum sometimes, feel cheated, used and angry. So right or wrong, if you want a happier and less criminal society as a whole, you'll have to atleast make sure that every person feels like he or she can participate in society.

Poverty is relative. I mean, you can tell a poor person in Europe he or she has a much better life than for example someone from Sierra Leone, and then ofcourse that statement would ring true! But then again in Sierra Leone almost everyone is poor, so people who live there aren't exactly excluded from the community.

Ofcourse the people we'd call poor have a better life here if you look at material worth, but socially? Some people really feel like they're being excluded from the community, simply because they don't have any money left to participate in certain social activities after paying for their most basic needs. I don't think anyone should understimate that feeling, or even call it a luxury problem.

People who call it a luxury problem, can tell me that again after they've experienced atleast ten years of the work to eat-work-sleep lifestyle. Which basically means no success, no progress, no opportunity, no pride, no satisfaction, no motivation, not much hope, no silly dreams, not too much fun, no holidays whatsoever, no new furniture every once in a while, and in some cases no car, no partner, no children, not much to laugh about, and not much of a future either..

It might sound like I'm overexaggarating to you, but for some young people, this is what their life already looks like. Poverty has become inheritable these days. (Which means, if you're parents are poor, there's a fat chance you'll miss a lot of opportunities, and that you'll probably end up poor aswell!) Discomforting, and pretty sad if you ask me.

To make ends meet? Don't make me laugh! Maybe in UK but certainly not in Belgium or Holland (i lived in both countries).

I don't think you really lived there from the sound of it, I think it's more likely you've been here for a while to work, and perhaps had a few things arranged for you by the agency that you've been working for? Trust me, it's not that easy when you're Dutch and haven't enjoyed much of an education for yourself, because then you'll discover that you'll be too expensive for the very same employers you've been working for as a foreigner..

Here they have plenty opportunities to make money in a legal way, but yet they choose to steal and rob because it's quicker.

Plenty? I beg to differ.

In other words, 99% of criminals have no excuse, even if they have been through hard times.

There's never an excuse, but it's human nature to want an acceptable standard of living, and in most cases, most people will measure their standard of living to the standard of living they experience all around them, for better or worse..
Arien   
1 Feb 2010
News / Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES [286]

nobody needs to rob somebody to survive.

I agree with that sentiment, and I have every right to say this, because I've been through a lot, and I've been poorer than most of the spoiled brats who keep speak about poverty and minimum wage meatheads in a single breath..

It would definitely help everyone if people didn't humiliate others for not being successful or earning a minimum wage. It's honest work, and without them doing that work, all you mofo's who love degrading the less fortunate ones, wouldn't be living your little lives of luxury..

I like to think that everybody who works contributes something to our society, and they should recieve a normal treatment just like anyone else. Believe it or not, a lot of young guys and girls who are on minimum wage recieve a lousy treatment these days, and not too much recoqnition for all the useful things they do, and in a lot of cases they are humiliated.

Now imagine yourself working your ass off from early to late for less than the minimum sometimes, barely able to pay your rent, having no money for luxury articles, not even enough money to go out and socialize every Friday night, and being treated like you're the laughing stock of nowadays society by a lot of people. Imagine feeling used, and imagine having no chances whatsoever of recieving a permanent contract for all the hard work you do everyday. Imagine getting fired after 10 months, because someone else will take your place for the next 10 months. (Everybody knows you can't really build a future for yourself without a decent contract, or a long-term, stable income.)

All these things, and a whole lot more problems I didn't even mention, are exactly what could turn a potentially good and motivated young guy or girl into a potential criminal. Why? Because they feel used, disadvantaged, and treated unfairly. So if you're going to be completely honest about this, then yes, they are being used, and yes, they are being treated as worthless individuals by a lot of people.

If you'd ask me, then nothing justifies a life of crime, but what would you do if nobody cared, if almost everyone treated you like ****, and if you had no future perspective whatsoever? I'll tell you.. You'd be frustrated beyond and then some. You'd be angry as hell at society for not allowing you some sense of happiness. You'd feel hopeless aswell. You'd be desperate.

I've been there for ten long years, working from dusk 'till dawn, standing at the sideline, basically wasting away in loneliness, enduring the many insults from all these ''happy'' people who seem to have it all.

far more often yes, finally someone who doesn't run away for the truth! :)

I'm not going anywhere, but the question is, are you? Because I do have a problem with your simplistic black and white statements. In my opinion, everyone should be treated with respect, stand a fair chance, have atleast a few opportunities, recieve some help every now and then when things really go wrong, and last but not least, get a fair wage for the work they do on a daily basis.

Because? Well, people who aren't completely blind, should be able to figure out that minimum wages have been decreased gradually for over the last few decades, while middle class salaries have increased by 60%.

And now, the minimum wage meatheads, as some of you would call them, can pay the bankers who ruined their retirement funds. So basically, they steal from you twice, and these are the people who should tell you that you're a criminal if you steal from other people? I'm not going to justify crime, and I'm not going to justify their behaviour either, so get used to my outbursts if they trouble you.. Because I'm only talking about what I've been through myself, what I can see around me daily with my own two eyes, while they're making up false numbers, and present a twisted version of the truth. My verdict? You can't complain about criminals - regardless of which nationality they have! - if you're a criminal yourself.

See, just because all the rules they've made to help themselves, and just because a few politicians allow them to get away with everything, doesn't mean that it's right or even legal..

Social circumstances play a major part in robbing and other crimes in GB. Nobody needs to rob to survive? Is your name Giertych or Thatcher? Want to be rich quick??? Many just want to make ends meet.

Damn right. I really don't know what I would've resorted to if I had a baby girl or boy, so in sense I'm lucky I didn't!

Anyway, I'm happy to tell you that things are going much better for me now, and I think I need to chill out for a while? (This whole subject is my Achilles heel really!) I will never forget all of that though, and I guess I'll always rub these things in your face if you think you can just place the blame on people when you have virtually no idea about their situation.. It's just too easy! (It's just one of those typical excuses that some spoiled brat would make if you'd ask me!)

No offense to anyone who simply doesn't know, nevermind.
Arien   
31 Jan 2010
News / Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES [286]

That UK, Belgium, France, Netherlands and Sweden score high in this list is not very surprising.

Oh, you can tell me that again..

All of these countries have a lot of immigrants from africa, caribean, turkey and arab world and it's a fact that those immigrants are far more criminal than Europeans.

Ofcourse this doesn't mean that for example, the Dutch themselves don't commit any violent crimes, but in comparison, yes, the immigrants are more often involved in crimes or being suspected of committing a crime than Dutch people are.

Hm, I wonder why UK is #1 on that list. Another question will be, since when has it been that way?

It's just an article from the Daily Mail, but if you're interested in the real figures you should check the figures provided by Brussels. The United Kingdom and Holland are the most violent countries in Europe right now. Sadly, this has been the case for atleast the past five years, and I'm afraid Holland should've been number two on that list to make it accurate. The actual murder rates are much higher in the United Kingdom though, because knives aren't too popular over here.
Arien   
29 Jan 2010
Love / Do you think that Polish should stick to Polish? [128]

Do you think that Polish should stick to Polish?

I believe you should always go for the person you happen to like the most, but then again, they keep telling me I'm simple..

;)
Arien   
29 Jan 2010
Love / Polish Girls vs Russian Girls [813]

What you call places is one thing, what they are is another.

Oh really? Well I'd call places like Warszawa, £ódź, Kraków, Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk, Szczecin, Bydgoszcz, Lublin, Katowice, Białystok, Gdynia, Częstochowa, Radom, Sosnowiec, Toruń and Kielce cities, and I'm pretty sure most of the Polish people would call these places cities aswell?

:)

The Hague with its 480,000 inhabitants is actually not a city at all? It has never been granted a city status, has it? As far as I heard The Hague is a village after all. There is only one city in Holland - Amsterdam, no?

Every Dutch person calls The Hague a city. If some people decided they would strip New York of its city status tomorrow, will that make it a village then? Oh, and do you actually think people will call it a village just because of that? I call a monkey a monkey, regardless of what status it has been granted..

;)
Arien   
27 Jan 2010
Love / Polish Girls vs Russian Girls [813]

Well, I'm sure it didn't escape your notice that we're a small country? In Holland, we would call 1 to 15.000 people a village, 15.000 to 25.000 people a town, and 25.000 to over 100.000 people a city..

:)

So either I'm a provincial boy myself, or most Polish girls are city girls. Hey, do your maths? It's all relative.

;)
Arien   
27 Jan 2010
News / Poland - Third World Country?? [300]

Arien you are lovely!

Oh well, sorry!

;P

You will see that Poland is actually a 2nd world country. Thats why I am saying some of you have lost the plot.

Compared to which country I wonder? Poverty is relative you know. You're only poor if all of your neighbours earn thrice as much as you do. (And we simply don't.) Poland is only slightly behind, and they're definitely catching up in certain areas, and I can see they're already competitive in certain branches. (Abroad aswell.) I'm not going to talk about percentages and stuff, but you know Poland has been the commercial centre of Europe once, and they were for a good reason..

;)
Arien   
27 Jan 2010
News / Poland - Third World Country?? [300]

I agree, a lot of things could still be improved in Poland, but it's not exactly a mystery behind the iron curtain anymore, and I would hardly call Poland a developing country these days, and calling it a third world country just seems completely ridiculous?

:)
Arien   
27 Jan 2010
Love / Polish Girls vs Russian Girls [813]

Southern, don't you think it's 2010 already, even in Poland? Oh, and there's nothing cold about Polish girls, or Russian girls, or any other girl for that matter.. They have certain expectations, and when you can't live up to theirs, or when you screw up, you'll just have to hope for another chance with someone else.. Oh, and I would hardly call a young lady from Kraków or Warszawa a provincial girl! That's just funny, isn't it?

;)
Arien   
27 Jan 2010
Love / Polish Girls vs Russian Girls [813]

FACT: Most Western guys tend to date Polish girls cause they can't get a decent-looking Western girl.

I'm curious though, where did you get this fact from?

:)

Only problem is the mentality. It's generally difficult to have a connection with a Polish girl, other than a sexual one, because of the mentality. Girls in Poland tend to have this simple "finish school-get married early-go to church-have kids" aim in life and if you're a guy with unique passions/ambitions they are hard to relate to on a deeper level.

I've met enough Polish girls to know that they're ambitious, cunning, horny and always looking for a guy when they're working abroad. (Even some of the married ones!) Good Catholics my ass..

;)
Arien   
20 Jan 2010
Life / Do you think a smoking ban would be a good thing in Polish restaurants and Bars? [217]

it will be excellent for everyone, the business will make more money as it did in other countries after the ban.

Oh really? Are you sure your name isn't Pinnochio? They've actually revoked the whole smoking ban for all the smaller pubs in Holland. (Yay!) So why do you think they've done that? Do you honestly think they've done that because all the pubs were doing so great when the smoking ban was still in effect?

Why can't we have a few non-smoking pubs and clubs, and have a few pubs and clubs were you're allowed to smoke? That way people can choose for themselves where they would like to hang out on a Friday night.

;)
Arien   
19 Jan 2010
Love / Are there Polish women who date black guys? [281]

I'm sure there are a handful of white girls from every nation who are curious about the black cock.

I see a lot of posters bashing black men. I think it's insecurity really. Unnecessary. Do you know that in most online prn movies nowadays a lot of men wear rubber cocks? Even the ejaculation gets faked.

This is adult material, so you don't have to look at it! You should also be aware of the fact that this is only one of the many examples. Oh, and if this doesn't convince you, you should google this subject, because there are many videos made available to the public where you can actually see how fake all of this is.

I can assure you that my main objective is to make men who read this post aware of the fact that some media and marketing people are definitely trying to make men insecure about themselves, so that they will be more likely to spend ridiculous amounts of money on operations and magic pills that might actually damage them for life. Ofcourse, they do the same to girls, they digitally alter images and photo's, so that girls will spend more on beauty products to achieve the impossible. (Have you ever seen all the botox operations that didn't go well? Or girls who suffer serious health problems because of their implants?)

Just be happy with yourself, and don't fool yourself with perfect images boys and girls, it's about time we stop doing that really. I'm happy to be of service.

;)
Arien   
16 Jan 2010
UK, Ireland / WHAT IS SO SPECIAL LIVING IN U.K [90]

Paradise is a small village in the Michgan UP. It can get 5 feet of snow and the winter temperatures can go down to -25 F. Pretty up there in the summer, though.

I knew someone would find it for me eventually. I was told to seek and I would find. I was told ask and I would recieve. I'm so happy now.. Thanks!

;)
Arien   
16 Jan 2010
UK, Ireland / WHAT IS SO SPECIAL LIVING IN U.K [90]

3) We can still get warm beer

Seriously, haven't you strange people heard that beer is supposed to be cold? (Ice cold I might add!)

;)
Arien   
16 Jan 2010
UK, Ireland / WHAT IS SO SPECIAL LIVING IN U.K [90]

There's nothing special about living in England, but there's nothing special about living in Canada either. So please let me know when you've found Paradise, because I really want to live there myself! Oh, and before you start with me, there's nothing special about living in Holland either, but ofcourse everybody knew this already..

;)
Arien   
14 Jan 2010
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

that is a miracle.

Yeah, I'm hoping I'll be the number one supervillain of PF this year.. See, I've been thinking, and I've been watching too many movies, and did you know the bad guys always get all the bad chicks?

;P

Sounds like you drank that edition :)

Huzzaa!

xD
Arien   
28 Dec 2009
Love / Asian guy in love with Polish girl (any chance?) [125]

Do I have a shot at all if I ask her out?

You're asking me? You know, you should ask her this exact same question, (And replace the ''she'' with you ofcourse!) I bet she'll smile and think you're original!

What do Polish girls think of Asian guys?

I don't know, there are an awful lot of Polish girls, with an awful lot of opinions!

I don't know any Asian guys who are dating Polish girls.

And?

Oh gosh her smile.....help!

Normally I charge a decent sum of money for my infinite wisdom and priceless advices, but we've just had Christmas, and New Year's Eve is almost there, so I figured, let's be a nice guy for a change..

My advice:

You should ask her.. *someone turns the radio on and you can't understand a word of what I'm telling you* and.. *heavy metal* but if she thinks that you will be.. *pizza delivery girl interruption* Now where was I? Oh yes, you should then ask her if she would like to.. *kung-fu guy storms into the room, shouting and screaming whilst showing off his whirlwind kicks* and ofcourse you should just be yourself and ask her about the things she might like.

;)

Good luck, osirion-san.
Arien   
28 Dec 2009
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

A very Merry X-mas and Happy New Year,
With adventure, love and a dash of cold beer.

I've had the first thing you've mentioned, I will probably never experience the second you've mentioned, and I guess I will have to leave the rest of that sentence to the better people aswell.

So much has happened these 365 days past,
I don't know where to start, I hope it won't last.

I can't say I can say the same.

Lets hope that everyone has peace this year,
That families reunite and not live in fear.

Hmm.. Alright, I'll toast to that!

Matters not if it's karp, turkey or just a microwave meal,
So long as friends and family are making the deal,

It actually does matter, because I'm allergic to spicy food. (Seriously!)

And so another year's almost up,
To this we should all raise a cup!

I'll toast to that one aswell! (It's probably just me, but why do I already have the feeling I'll be drunk after reading this whole poem?)

A precious princess was brought into this world,
As our hearts, they did melt, when we saw this little girl.

*miraculously decides - just in time - that it's probably better to keep his seething mouth shut for moment or two*

Sons were united with fathers unknown,
The seeds of good relations have this year been sown.

Rejoice! *burp*

From Texas, came a cowgirl at last,
Who came to see Krakow and visit her past.

*knocks himself unconscious with a Scottish warhammer*

Some made fine grooms while others made brides,
A union of which, fills us with pride.

*regains conscienceness, opens his eyes, and moans about the bright white background of PF because it hurts his eyes, and reads something about marriages*

*faints again*

Matters not if you are Muslim or Jew,
This X-mas we'll all start a new.

I hope so, so I guess I'll raise another glass to that one! (Isn't it great to use a poem as an excuse to get properly pissed?)

:)

Na zdrowie!

With family and friends we'll forget all our woes,
Eat, drink and sleep! and forgive all our foes.

Are you sure?

With make-ups and break-ups to make up some more,
A drink for yourself, I hope you will pour.

Cheers! *hiccup*

With generalisms, ologies and isms galore!
We try to turn away but we howl out for more.

*smirk*

So I'll end this ryme, this season greeting,
On Polish Forums, we are always meeting.

Tak!

And to all those who love and love to hate,
I'll catch you on other threads, now that's a date ;)

Trust me, I'd rather have a date with a hot blonde, but I guess your bar-tales along with drowning myself in a barrel of Tyskie will solve most of my problems for now..

Remember dear Poland keeps us all together,
Under Admin's flagship we brave the weather.

Don't you think he's going to need a whole lot more of superglue to keep some of us together?

With a kick in our step and a gleam in our eye,
You'd think butter wouldn't melt and we were all nice as pie.

Fruitcakes man, it's all about the fruitcakes!

So a rich man or beggar, you be.
Merry Christmas to all, I do decree!

Hey, atleast I've read your damn poem? (Seriously, I think you're just trying to depress some of our resident artistic talents?)

*grumpy*

Alright, alright!

:)

Na zdrowie!
Arien   
26 Dec 2009
Love / Polish blonde and a British pensioner. No fool like an old fool, or is it love. [57]

most of guys here on the forum would love to be in his position.

No thank you. (I really wouldn't!)

27 and riches are rare.

Not really, but then again, it all depends on your definition of rich. I think couples who are young and healthy, who can afford to buy a house together, who are able to support their children together, and who can afford to go on a holiday atleast twice a year should consider themselves rich really.

:)
Arien   
23 Dec 2009
News / Freezing weather in Poland, 42 people dead in winter freeze... and no-one cares? [140]

So, you see, you do have to be careful. You shouldn't let your guard down. Not everyone can or should be trusted.

Ofcourse, you're absolutely right about that.

Just don't make it a competition about who's doing more for the 'downtrotten".

Hey, nobody's trying to turn this into a competition sweetheart, but I certainly wouldn't mind it if all of us would make it a sport to help someone else.

No one can match my own gullibility, and I do put my money where my mouth is.

Cute.

:)
Arien   
23 Dec 2009
News / Freezing weather in Poland, 42 people dead in winter freeze... and no-one cares? [140]

Arien, you have a very unrealistic view of the homeless.

Oh really?

I remember standing there in the ABN AMRO bank in Schagen, when a homeless guy tried to open up a bank account, and I overheard the whole conversation from beginning to end, and basically, the woman behind the desk told him it was impossible for him to open up a bank account.

I remember being at the job centre a lot of times, looking for a job myself, and I remember a woman behind the desk finding it extremely funny that there were no jobs available for me at that time, and that I couldn't apply for wellfare. ''Too bad'', she said with a smile on her face.

I remember conversations with employers who told me they didn't have any jobs available at the moment, but I could see Polish people working at the very same company from out of my ******* window on the way back, or seeing an awful lot of cars with both Ukranian and Portuguese license plates outside!

I remember going out in Amsterdam, when a prostitute near Centraal asked me to call her mother for her, and if I could please pay for her ticket back home. (She was practically begging me!) I didn't have the money for her ticket, and I couldn't call her mother because she couldn't tell me the number. I told her to hop on the train, I said **** that ticket, and I'll make sure nobody will tell you to get off the train. She didn't want to come with me, because she didn't trust me.

Oh, and I remember staring at a gun in my face more than once, because you're right, not all the poor guys are begging or asking for it nicely!

I know there are programs, but it's not like this system or its personel will always be extremely helpful to you. (Quite the contrary!) Oh, and in some cases, you will have to take medication. (Which is very hard for people who don't have enough trust in people anymore!) Ofcourse you have the right to refuse medication, but if you refuse, they won't help you.

Civilians? Quite a few people will probably humiliate you, harrass you, or even worse.. I know that there are people out there who would even kill you when they think no one's looking. (Just like some soldiers from our army who were caught on tape when they were kicking a beggar to death, just for the hell of it!) I wonder what would've happened to these soldiers if they weren't caught on tape. Actually, I already know, they would've got on with their lives like nothing ever happened.

Glasses? I can see perfectly. Thanks.

That and Christmas movies will make you forget you wearing a rose colored glasses.

I've seen more **** than you ever will, and I've been humiliated by a lot of people myself, when all I really wanted was a job. Ofcourse, a lot of people will simply point out how lazy and worthless you are, but they don't really want to hear about all these employers who prefer foreigner workers because they're much cheaper, and because they know how to keep their mouth shut about their rights. (I call it modern-day slavery!) I guess that's also too hard to believe for you?

Go find some homeless people and meet them.

I won't even answer that.

Not for a minute do I believe your story about running across a sober, sane, homeless man

A guy, one year younger than me. I've met him on a Friday evening, just before 20:00 on Alkmaar Centraal. He was talking to himself, but he was sane enough. He told me that he had recieved mental care before, but according to him the medicines they gave him just made him worse. Why I say he was sane enough, is because he was completely aware of the fact that he had mental problems, and that he needed help. At first he seemed reluctant and perhaps even scared to talk to me, and he said he thought I would beat him up for a moment. (Which just shows you how these people get treated more often than not!)

that "did not smell" and bought coldcuts with your money while you walked away smiling and his life was changed forever... not for a minute.

I don't think he had been homeless that long really. His shoes were pretty new, and so were the rest of his clothes. (Just a bit dirty!) He wasn't drunk, and he wasn't a junkie. (I've seen enough junkies and alcoholics before, so I can tell the difference.) Oh, and about 20 people were there, some girls have seen me do it, and they've also seen how he walked across the street and bought exactly what I told you he bought.

But according to you, that's impossible. They all buy drugs, right? Oh, and the day I walked off was the day I've met him again. I've asked him for a cigarette on purpose, because I wanted to restore his sense of dignity.

By all means, keep telling yourself they're all chronically homeless if it makes you any happier, and please keep telling everyone how they're all junkies who are beyond help. I know there are a lot of people who are beyond help thank you very much, and I'm not a retard who believes everybody smells of roses, but I know that most homeless people will try anything to get off the street, and most of them actually succeed!

daklozenkrant.nl

I know you can't read it, but this is one of the magazines I've told you about earlier, that homeless people sell on the streets everywhere. In these papers, you can read all kinds of stories about homeless people who went to rehab, who gave up drinking, about people who had mental problems who went for help, women who got out of prostitution, etcetera! I buy these papers and magazines from homeless people regularly.

Boring, I know.

People make the "will work for food" signs because where I live, asking for money is illegal.

Which just shows you in what kind of society some of us really live in. It's illegal to ask for money. It's illegal to help someone. You'll have to excuse me, but I think it's really sad that so many people accept such rules.