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Barney   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Reforming the business environment in Poland is a 'cliche'?

Yeah, just like world peace.........supported by beauty pageant people.
Barney   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Barney, really, do you know anything about Ruch Palikota?

Do you know anything about politics?

They are straight from central casting every cliche in the book.
Barney   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Palikot's movement no matter which way you slice it is very much to the right of centre probably a little more to the right. That crazy tea party libertarian stuff they promote is extremely toxic to society as a whole. That smokescreen of personal freedom is the exact opposite of what it appears to be. Personal freedom only comes with personal wealth and their policies will do nothing to improve social mobility.
Barney   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

we are talking about the same party, right?

Yes, they are classily Hayek.
There is nout leftwing or right wing about sexual politics or anti clericalism.
Barney   
10 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

It is a vanity project.

I thought so, I dislike this organisation for probably the exact opposite reasons you do. I don't like mad right wing populist organisations.
Barney   
6 Jun 2013
Life / Are Polish people brave or scared? [32]

I'm not looking down on anyone

I know

I'm saying we shouldn't be so ready to look down on others.

I agree
Barney   
4 Jun 2013
History / Poland is a Catholic country [177]

So yes, someone IS forcing me to contribute. Against my will.

Someone is forcing me to contribute to all sorts of things I disagree with through taxation that happens in all countries. Making charities tax exempt is grand, removing all public subsidies to everything is also grand if you wish to live in a place governed by patronage. Why can the Church not act as a lobby group just like industrialists and the wealthy? Should all laws be influenced by anyone and everyone other than the Catholic Church?

I like the idea of totally secular states but have to live with the reality that you cannot change or erase history, there is no year zero and the Church has always played a roll in Poland and at times the most important roll.
Barney   
4 Jun 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

There is no evidence that Sunday shopping reform will cost jobs.

The same argument has been used to claim that maternity leave would cost jobs, that equal pay for women would cost jobs and indeed insisted that ending child labour was bad for business. The right to paid sick leave and paid holidays was won despite the doom mongers insisting they would hurt business.
Barney   
3 Jun 2013
History / Poland is a Catholic country [177]

ffs... LOL

That made me laugh, a good response. I love reading about the habits of that strange beast the Catholic:)
Barney   
1 Jun 2013
Life / Poland's expats' colonial mentality? [176]

It very much depends on whether this perception is the reality, doesn't it.

Yes it does
You decided that the problem lies with the Polish by saying It's your problem not ours - therefore it's for you to solve clearly your perception is that there is no problem with immigrants views of Poland,ie Polish people have a problem not immigrants..

But no doubt you can twist everything to fit into some convenient anglophobic stereotype, no?

Again what problem do you have with my opinion? If you disagree with it just try to form a contrary opinion and post it, after all I'm a thick Mick so it should be easy.
Barney   
1 Jun 2013
Life / Poland's expats' colonial mentality? [176]

It's your problem not ours - therefore it's for you to solve

No it is not her or any other Polish person's problem, if a bunch of migrants sneer at "backward Polish" people how can that possibly be her problem?
Barney   
1 Jun 2013
Life / Poland's expats' colonial mentality? [176]

???????????
Is there anything an Irish person can say that will dissuade you from bring up the colonisation of Ireland. It has nothing to do with this thread.
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

The reform of the trading law is supported by the union movement and people from most if not all political parties but you and others choose to focus on the religious aspect.

Not "religious zealots" are the reason for this but trade unions, social democrats and even politicians like Bismarck, who reintroduced this day as a "day of rest", after Early Capitalism in the early 19th century forced people to work every day.

Exactly but right leaning people want to remove any opportunity for quality reliable predictable leisure time.

And fortunately Poland is far more than Catholicism. It is officially secular since 1921.

Yes, I did say that Poland was more than a bunch of "failed Catholics".
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

And claiming 'absolute truth' is not a basis for legislation

For the umpteenth time these proposals are about more than religion as much as you would like it to be otherwise.

Poland is more than a bunch of "failed Catholics".
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

Can you tell us why only supermarket workers should benefit from getting a better quality of life?

As explained Delph it's easy to sidestep such loaded questions, but here is one. Because all cannot benefit from such changes why should none?

Yes common sense, as I understand it means there is flexibility, not an all or nothing approach.

Edit

BTW, if you want to know what sectarianism looks like, just stroll to the nearest mirror: in it you will see a distinctly unpleasant racist sectarian.

Lordy Harry what an outburst, I'm sure you will offer any pain you feel up

You are welcome to your beliefs.

Indeed I am and all I'm doing posting my opinion on the topic not making sectarian remarks.

religious diktats of zealots.

Its not all about religion Harry as much as you would like to insult Catholics

So you refused to answer a question because we all know what the answer is and the answer is very inconvenient to those who want to force their views onto others.

Again Harry its not all about Religion you don't seem to understand how debate works.
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

Do forgive me for ignoring your off-topic insults and lies

Harry you haven't got a leg to stand on defending your sectarian comment.

With regard to the proposed change in Sunday trading I believe that a lot of people will benefit and like any change only time will tell who is correct. Having guaranteed time off allows one to plan non work related activities which leads to a better quality of life. Of course common sense has to be applied, taking an extreme literal interpretation of the proposed changes ignores common sense.

In other words, there is no good reason.

That doesn't follow from what I said, the conclusion is wrong, you asked a loaded question I side stepped the question, it's very common in debate to do that.
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

Interpreting?

Yes Interpreting, your phrase was......

I suppose it is a bit too extreme to expect Catholics to follow the teachings of Christ

You are now claiming that there is no interpretation of any passage in the Bible or reconciling conflicting passages in the bible (which also involves interpretation) in order for you to make such a judgment? That is truly dishonest.

You set yourself up as Judge and condemned people just like any common racist, anti semite or intolerant bigot

And many, many more. Can someone please give me just one credible reason why supermarket workers are to be singled out as somehow being more important than the rest of these people?

Not more important simply because all cannot benefit doesn't mean that none can
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

Yes Barney, those are seriously believed to be the words of Jesus.

Yes seriously, you quoted the Bible as your excuse or explanation for interpreting the word of Jesus. That Book is full of stuff anyone can make fit anything and is the point of your Bigotry. You chose your own interpretation and applied it to people you knew would fall short that is bigotry. If you apply the same standard to everyone everyone is equal, no one meets your standards but you didn't do that you chose to apply your standard to Catholics only.

I see from your latest insult

Its not an insult Harry, you said I was a Catholic I told you I wasn't yet you are trying to invoke some obscure reference to prove that I am indeed a Catholic. That is exactly the kind of officious mindset that enables humans to destroy other humans.

Wiki and the Bible are not great rocks to build a logical argument.

Which is a bit hypcritical, given that they want Sunday trading to be banned because they claim Sunday as the 'Lord's day'.

And again Harry not everyone who wishes to reform the Sunday trading laws want to do so for religious reasons. It's a bit bigoted to suggest they do simply because you believe them to be Catholic and you believe that that is what all Catholics want.
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

Matthew chapter 19, verses 16 to 19

Seriously Harry?

Man you really are on a different planet

Well Barney I think it is a bit too extreme to expect the doves of tolerance and freedom here to do as they preach.

That is about right, Could you imagine someone making such a statement about another race, nationality or religion it would be rightly condemned.

That is the classic definition of racism (in this case religious bigotry) setting a standard then criticising a group or individual because they don't meet that standard.

Gone through the procedure of leaving the church, have you?

Its officious people like you that enable genocide.
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

the bench-mark is not mine, the bench-mark is that set down by your lord and saviour, Jesus Christ.

How arrogant!
You and you alone know the ultimate truth, you and you alone can decide the true meaning of the lords words.

His teachings, and you, despite being a Catholic

Really, I'm a Catholic that is news to me man you are on a roll.

In Poland only believers of one religion are trying to force their beliefs down the throats of everybody.

As pointed out above several times the proposed changes to Sunday trading are not just about religion, the OP stated as much. You have decided it's about religion and nothing else.
Barney   
31 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

Barney: ask me to scientifically something?
Happily, since we are discussing legislation that affects us all.

The point was that there are more than religious reasons for changing Sunday trading laws as the OP stated you wanted to discuss what you thought his intentions were. Not for the first time you have now decided to debate a different point because you were shown to be totally incorrect.

Of course we are discussing legislation and it's not all to do with religion as the OP stated.

Rightly so, since they claim to have absolute truth.

And that is the point, all religions claim absolute truth otherwise they are not religions. Harry chose to hold one to different standards.

Really Barney? Would you like to quote me saying that? Or are you very simply lying about me yet again?

You seen totally incapable of remembering what you wrote, yet again here is just one quote

I suppose it is a bit too extreme to expect Catholics to follow the teachings of Christ

And you decide if they meet your bench mark ie you appointed yourself judge.

You made a sectarian comment that's it Harry
Barney   
30 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

Scientifically prove the basis of your views or forever hold your peace.

You would like to argue about what you think the op's intentions were and not the words he used, then ask me to scientifically something? That is crazy....

Only one religious reason was suggested by the OP and four non religious reasons that is fact unless you would like to demonstrate otherwise.

I made no value judgment Harry did that by deciding that Catholics don't follow the teachings of Christ, I simply described the self appointed arbiter status necessary to make such a bigoted statement ie Harry made a value judgement on Catholics, holding them to a higher standard than others.

Entirely right actually, though your comment suggests you aren't about to join the Oxford Union any day soon.

As I said search out the other thread or start a new thread and I shall debate that point there but not here.

Jon by trying to appear smart you have made a number of blunders pointing them out will only result in more off topic stuff.
Barney   
30 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

The other points are just excuses trotted out to attempt to back up an unscientific worldview.

That is your opinion which is not correct, the OP gave a number of reasons why Sunday trading should or should not be changed, you and others decided it must be religious reasons and then Harry appointed himself arbiter of Christianity.

Only one religious reason was suggested by the OP and four non religious reasons that is fact.

As for holding Catholics to a higher standard, that's what they are supposed to do themselves: they are supposed to hold themselves to the standards set forth by their lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

And you appointed yourself to decide if they have done that, deciding that Catholics dont follow the teachings of Christ that is bigoted.

Given that the religious group in question are so sure they have absolute truth that they have tortured and killed people who dare to doubt it, I'm sure they're happy to be held to a higher standard than others.

Firstly your statement is wrong and secondly if true they were not alone however there is a thread about that so post your hypocrisy there.
Barney   
30 May 2013
Life / Poland's expats' colonial mentality? [176]

and no Pole has ever gone abroad and done the same.

I think that anyone who has lived outside their native country does something similar to varying degrees depending upon the person and how they are feeling at any point in time.
Barney   
30 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

The excuses here and the statements in the original post are almost exclusively about religion.

There are no excuses just people with different opinions never the less your main point is not true,

From the original post

--Keeping holy the Lord's Day
--A day for home and family
--Cashiers and shop assistants also need Sunday off
--The ban is backied by the trade unions
--Shops are closed on Sunday in Germany, Austria and elsewhere
Arguments against include:
--Some people are busy all week and can shop only on Sunday
--Poland cannot afford to lose sales during a crisis.
Where do you stand on this?

Only one religious reason there, as I said it's about more than religion but some chose to focus upon religion.

No. There are no other significant 'denominations' in Poland. A country where society does not consistently live up to the main religion's values.

No one is doubting that most Polish people are baptised Catholic that is not the point. The point is that Harry chose to hold Catholics to a higher standard than others whether they live in Poland or not just as you are doing now.
Barney   
30 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

What you might feel or pretend is a sectarian statement from the point of view of an Irish (especially Northern Irish) person is not necessarily sectarian in the context of other European countries.

Its not what I feel its a matter of fact.

I suppose it is a bit too extreme to expect Catholics to follow the teachings of Christ

Holding one denomination to a different standard is sectarian in any place and that is what Harry did.

Preventing shop staff working and customers buying on a 'holy day' on the basis of a religion, any religion, is a perfect example of that.

As has been pointed out from the very beginning of this thread the reform of trading laws is not exclusively about religion.

We are having our summer today and I don't want to waste it pointing out the obvious.