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Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

I'd say initially and with intention of. Later they didn;t have much choice.

I agree!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
Life / Poles - what other nationality would you say you are most like? [125]

However Nietzsche is not a Polish name but a German one which is somewhat common in the Eastern part of Germany, despite this we can say that Nietzsche's philosophy is a thundering affirmation of Sarmatism, and he was indeed Polish in spirit.

What I said...serious identity problems!

Golden Thought of the Week ;)

Good to be back at PF, right Torqi? Admit you missed our intelligent discussions!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
Life / Poles - what other nationality would you say you are most like? [125]

Language, primarily. I don't think Czech is that difficult as a language.

Bohemia and Moravia...part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation for centuries, then Austria, then part of Austria-Hungary..you come far with German too...

MoreLikelyaLostTribeofPoles

*adores picture*

We should play it out...on the battlef...erm football field! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

So they were Germans, not Poles?

Tja...the 1 million Dollar question of central Europe of the last century!

Had been or hadn't been? ;)

Manno...that was a typo! :)

But those were only Poles who were either ethnic Germans or Poles who had German ancestry.

Or declared as such by Himmler.
I told you before ideology and "Mein Kampf" or not...Hitler and Himmler decided about the "enemy of the day" quite freely as they needed it.

Nothing was cast in stone just because Hitler wrote something in a book earlier.
Himmler tried even to put the Gorale people as Mountain-Germans...even as they saw it quite differently.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

But those were Polish citizens considered by the Nazis as "Germans", they didn't see them as "Poles", and they were quite often forced to sign the Volksliste

First, nobody was forced to subscribe to the Volksliste. As it made no sense for the German Army to get unwilling, German-hating Slavs on the dangerous weapons.

To the contrary every possible applicant had to bring some proof of traces of his german ancestry.
That "being forced" thingy was a convenient afterwar myth of polish germans wanting to survive the revenge of the victors.
Starting with the Volksliste and ending with the defeat...it was better to say "they had been forced and had been fully patriotic Poles" than to tell the truth!

Second...no, there hadn't been a polish Waffen-SS unit!
All international units fighted together officially to save and rescue their countries from Bolshevism and Communism or in the Baltic and Ukrainian case for the independence of their countries (officially).

axishistory.com/index.php?id=307

For Poles nothing of that kind was planned...Poland would had been fully incorporated into the Reich, so those Poles eligible got incorporated into the german forces instead of building a polish unit!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

Re the original question, I did hear once upon a time that a couple of Polish noblemen had made advances to the Nazis, but do not recall the details. Anyone know anything about this?

Hmm...I never read anything about that (that doesn't mean it didn't happen).
But as they did go against the polish government I can't see what they would had been able to achieve in the end.

So, there was no puppet Nazi regime in Poland and no puppet Nazi regime in The Soviet Union, but still there was this Russian SS RONA division, but no SS division consisting of Poles. Why is that?

Oh there had been lot's of polish nationals in the german forces, also the Waffen-SS (ever heard of the Volksliste?)
All Poles eligible for Volkslist I got into the german forces. Only those of III and without were only "good" enough for slave labour, if they weren't set for annihilation like the polish Jews.

Himmler had the Poles categorized quite nicely :(

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksliste#Implementation_in_Poland
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

However, I get the impression that most Germans would rather co-operate with us
peacefully and benefit from good Polish-German relations within the EU and if German
companies invest heavily in Western Poland then it's definitely a good thing for us.

*nods*

Lives for cash hey?
Give the patriotic BS a miss for once, its become very boring

Well..reality is boring to compared to the "exciting" wars of our past!

Germany dominates Europe now as it was their fate since the unification in 1871. Three wars had been fought about that. Economically (boring) it was achieved in the end...

I like to propose a solution, we Poles will give Germans their land back and pay reparation to all families that had to resettle so all Germans that want some reparation need to report to Oswiecim and get in line, we will serve 50 Germans at a time they will need to strip down and take showers before proceeding to reparation point.

A big, stupid mouth...so Polish!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
Life / Poles - what other nationality would you say you are most like? [125]

Do Germans have any sentiment for Hungarians? And vice versa?

Germans have...not only stemming from the times of the Empire, or the two world wars (my own Grandfather was best friends with an hungarian count who invited our family to live on his estate after the war...but..well...you know what had happened instead).

Then there was the Budapest uprising so similiar to our East Berlin uprising and then of course that many East Germans loved to make holiday in Budapest and at the Balaton..sniffing a whiff of freedom or going all the way as Hungarians made it possible for GDR refugees to flee...

So there are alof of positive sentiments regarding the Hungarians in Germany! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
Life / Poles - what other nationality would you say you are most like? [125]

Sorry, BB, but we're nothing like Germans...

Are you Hungarian?

Hungarians had been part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire for a long time, soaked in german culture...Brothers in arms in WWI, losers, terrible punished by the victors losing territory, towns, people, brothers in arms in WWII, again terrible punished by the victors...

So many similiarities and connections!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

You were writing that Hitler was making all these offers to Poland and that Slavs could join the ranks of the Nazis, and others weren't rebelling and you wrote that had Poles been more agreeable they would be better off

Yes, these offers had been made earlier...the territories lost by the treaty of Versailles and later had been always on the table...but Hitler would had even exchanged the claim for Danzig for Polands aquiescence regardless what the common German would think about it, a clear sign how serious it was for him.

But once the war started it was all over and it was decided to do away with Poland once and for all and to incorporate all of it into Germany, not only the once german territories and towns.

(Vengeance?)

Still, I don't understand why there were Russian SS troops and no Polish SS troops? Was there a puppet Nazi regime in the Soviet Union?

Of course not. For that the Stalin regime would had to be toppled first...

But the german troops utilized millions of deserters and even full russian units like the cossacks and the Russian Liberation Army.

I mean if THAT one was good enough for Hitler's troops (Sub-human ideology or not) the Poles would had been even more so...;)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
Life / Poles - what other nationality would you say you are most like? [125]

(...)the ancestors of Hungarians appeared in Europe around 40,000 years ago and genetically, the most closely related ethnic groups are Poles, Croats, Ukrainians(...)

Erm...so Poles are Mongols????

Wonders never cease...

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

What is opposite about it?

Poland was courted by Hitler for years...they decided to be an obstacle for both juggernauts instead and they paid for that.

Poland too would had been allowed a puppet regime had they bowed down to german wishes and allowed the german armies to gather at the eastern front voluntarily (or even taking part in Barbarossa).
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

Why what?

Before the war Hitler tried to get Poland on his side, but in September '39 Poland got the bill for rather counting on the allies.

Now all gloves were off..
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

*but who knows, if you hang around PF for a couple of years more, maybe you'll start to see the light*

Never giving up hope, that's a true Pole!

True. I'd say the whole world started to go down the drain when cavalry stopped playing
major role on the battlefield. After that it was long slide down the slippery slope :-/

*nods*

...and as helmets did go out of fashion! We would make a fine pair Torqi...*sighs*

But why there was no offer, no invitation?

Hitler hadn't had any "after war"-plans with an still existing Poland...bluntly spoken.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

The key question here is: was there ever such an option?

No, there wasn't.

No offer of a puppet regime, no invitation into the Waffen-SS, nothing...so no temptation for Poles at all.
The Nazis even had the Volkslisten to make sure no real Pole got near the Germans. There was even tried to "split" Poles into recognizable germanized people like Kashubs or Gorales and the rest.

It's nice to think there wouldn't had been collaborateurs in Poland but everywhere else where Hitler towed a softer line there was widespread support and collaboration, not only in western and northern Europe...also in other eastern countries like the Ukraine or the Baltics...even Russians collaborated and fighted with the Germans if allowed, why should Poland had been any different?

Good question!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

Oh you f**** idiot...Germany paid already with the lost territories, for your eastern part go speak to your Slavic brothers the Russians.
And for the rest, we OWE you already...Poland depends to 1/3 of his economy on Germany alone, Germany is the biggest investor and buyer of polish assets, no borders anymore, Germans can settle anywhere in Poland...go out and take a good long look at reality, you idiot!

What Hitler couldn't achieve the Germans now got without firing one shot and you even say "Thank you"!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

We call it the tourism of sentiment. Usually it looks like this: To Posen/Danzig/Breslau etc. come german trip

And it's a big number for Poland...they cater to these sentimental tourists...even building memorials, renaming places again etc. :)

You lost now shut up.

Yeah...you winner you! ;)