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Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

I think it's interesting to try and imagine what it was like for a family who suddenly slipped out of one country and into another (without even moving house).

Heh:)

My Grandparents generation was born in Prussia, grew up in the german Empire, lived through the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich and died in the GDR (Eastern Communist Germany).

If they had hold on some more years they would had found themselves in the FRG.

No problem! ;)

According to you it's OK to beat the crap out of school children becuase they preferred to pray in Polish, not in German at religion lessons?

First teacher did beat children back then, it was their right to do it and boy they did it.
Second it was to try to make german the main language in Prussia...just look over at Ukraine and how Poland tried to make the Ukrainians speak polish...

I don't remember during the polish republic that german was an acknowledged official language either even as millions of newly polish citizens spoke it as their main language!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
Life / How Long Before Poland Has Its 'Dumbest Generation'? [84]

Kids who's parents were caribic black or white showed that average IQ at age 4 was 103 for white kids, 106 for mixed kids, 108 for kids with both black parents.

That is crap! No study ever showed that blacks have an higher IQ than whites!

3. Flynn, 1980, studied the IQ of few hundreds of German kids who's fathers were African americans and white American soldiers stationed in Germany. Average IQ for both groups is same (97), suggesting that race is not contributing to IQ.

As the average IQ of native Germans is 102 you can now guess which part of the mix brought it down to 97....

/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Group_differences
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

I know what you mean, nothing beats witness reports....go looking into the Times archive. They put most of their whole archive online now...you can find truly some gems there.

nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/nytarchive.html?scp=1&sq=nytimes%20archives
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Short, but there's some basic info:

That article is mostly crap!

Bismarck's Kulturkampf wasn't anti-polish but anti-catholic church just as one example.
Pursuing one official language is also fully legal and something every country does.
Also as the article says growing prosperity and a growing middle class does not point to
dire circumstances for Poles in Prussia - they even had their own papers to agitate and protest
to their hearts contend without fear to get jailed or anything else.

Don't give me the sh*it from the monstrous Prussia banging down on the poor Poles!
To the contrary, who knows where the Poles would be now if they hadn't so stubbornly pursued their own country.

Ask the millions of Poles who voluntarily immigrated into Prussia/Germany over the years....
They are better off, always had been!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

I know that this is a big subject, but would appreciate some help (sources/answers).

Just a glimpse back: query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F30C10FB3A5414728DDDAE0994D8415B818CF1D3

"Poles in Prussia - Their growing prosperity causes alarm"

"Growing prosperity and influence of the polish middleclass...their own papers..." huh...doesn't sound so mightily oppressed to me!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]

You see, Germany now practically replaced the Reich

See? You said so yourself "practically" but no legally. The German Reich is still legal because nobody saw the need to have a go at the mass of the old documents.

Also Danzig is now practically Gdansk...legally or not nobody is going to change anything.
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]

Sorry BB, you're wrong here. According to the international law, it's still a free city. Read about it BB, don't argue in that point. You'll find confirmation for what I say even on Polish sites.

I don't deny that....not all treaty's and laws of old got officially cancelled but that doesn't mean they are still legal. Look:

deutsches-reich-exil.info/
deutsches-reich-exil.info/Reichsdokumente/Reichspersonenausweis.html

That's the exile government of the German Reich and I could even get an ID for it...fully legal...but totally useless!

When you think any "exile government" of the German Reich would have any chance of world wide recognition then you would probably have a point with a "free city" of Danzig too...but not before ;)

Ok! I'll admit it ! I'm a iranist, fordist, culifowerist, whitebreadist, I cook my eggs,drown everything in beer and after being shot at a few times, I won't speak in public anymore, its called self preservation and its only natural remedy to not becoming a national satistic, as there is a plenty of people at large, who love humanity but hate the people !

No moping allowed here! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]

Actually, Danzig was doing pretty good anytime it was a free city. Of course it did OK too when it was German :-)

It was never independent...it was an solely political artificial construct by the then League of Nations. It was still fully german and fully dependent on Germany.

What base? Actually, the answer is very simple, according to the international law, Danzig is still a free city.

Nah...it was made so as it was a fully german enclave in the newly founded polish republic with a german population of about 98 percent.

This town is now fully polish in Poland...there is no legal base for a free city anymore.

Officially since there hadn't been any peace treaty with Germany I still could demand the ID of the german Reich... ;)

PS: Your link is an interesting read, but they totally omit the fact that the people of Danzig now aren't the same as till '45. But that changes everything!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]

Agree but "things can happen", you never know :-)

I think I know still ;)
Besides a forcefully ethnic cleansing there won't anything happen and THIS won't happen for sure!

Being a "free city" = higher living standard is just crap, sorry! Danzig alone on itself would not be able to survive and soon people would flee to better shores and the town would sink to third world standards within a generation.

As you said those you speak with identify as Poles, so on what base they would be able to found a free city?

I don't know what happens in some peoples brains and if there are any brain cells left!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / What happened from 1650-1795? [68]

Sweden was also one of those countries devastating Germany during the 30 years war...how about Swedens "vulgar ego"...

My arse!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / What happened from 1650-1795? [68]

okay. so do you think poland suffered for being a democracy inbetween despots. a lion between wolves so to speak? Poland was always a buffer to russias asiatic barbarism and to the west they had the rampant vulgar displays of ego and paranoia of germany.

Wot???

Maybe more like an idiot between smarties!

Russia asiatic barbarism?
Germany vulgar ego??

You have a way to describe other countries that is not only wrong but idiotic. No wonder
Poland stays the only country in Europe giving itself up to be partitioned to it's neighbours....
Truly an amazing story!

:(

What about polish barbarism invading Russia and besieging Moscow? What about polish vulgar ego during the commonwealth period! You might want to believe Poland is somewhat "better" but you aren't. Polish stupidity was the only thing what kept you from becoming a number in Europe for the longest time, nobody else!

I am not sure about the egotistic and vulgar bit when it comes to the Germans, you have to remember that they were only later to develop, after the Poles, a sense of national identity. In the meantime they probably bickered more amongst each other than they did with foreigners, in what can be described as, to borrow their own words Deutsche Wirtschaft.

Absolutely!

"German vulgar ego" my arse....
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Oct 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]

Problem is the population got thouroughly cleansed out and exchanged with mostly eastern Poles from what is now Ukraine. The precious mix of Germans, Poles and Bohemians is no more.

The Silesia of old isn't coming back no matter what artificial acts we try to pull off...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

Fascist meant nationalistic, not pro-Hitler. Like ONR.

Fascists in Spain, in Holland, in France in GB and even as far as the USA etc. had been fans of Hitler...they took his national-socialism as ideal for their countries too...it was really a widespread alliance.

/wiki/Fascism

They were nationalists first but in following Hitler and in helping to make Nazi-Germany victorious
they hoped to be victorious at home too.
European and american Fascists saw Hitler as their best bet.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
Life / Poles - what other nationality would you say you are most like? [125]

Germans have more than dirty hands in Greece in the very recent past. Don't forget Mercedes Benz and Deutsche Telekom and their recent bribery scandals there ;-)

Sure we have dirty hands...from all that work....Greeks should try it sometimes!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

How could Germans put a fellow named Szczepaniak on a Deutsche volksliste is beyond me!

Oh god thank you for this link Torqi...I searched for it for awhile now...always good for a laugh!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
Life / Poles - what other nationality would you say you are most like? [125]

Well...who got into the EU because of lying? Whose economy is now dust because of lying, thieving, betraying, being all around unlawful and ineffective?

More than only stereotypes me thinks...

And you Missy are one to complain about stereotypes...your prejudices and judgement about Germans and Germany shows the worst of it more often than not in your postings!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

Yes, as there was no automatically enlisting.

In the beginning 39/40/41 it might even have been quite hard to get onto the Liste I, you had to show papers and stuff.
But in the end they took really everybody...here also some not so voluntarily "recruiting" surely happend.

Not to mention that Silesia itself was splitted, the upper part with a majority of Poles and the lower part with a majoritiy of Germans...to treat Silesia as one just wouldn't had made much sense.

ID of a polish Volksdeutscher
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Oct 2010
History / No Nazi puppet regime in Poland? [45]

Problem is if they really count as collaborateurs in the common sense.

...
The history of Poles in the Wehrmacht, the unified armed forces of Nazi Germany, began with the German invasion of Poland in 1939. More than 400,000 citizens of the Polish Second Republic served in the Wehrmacht,[1] and not many in Kriegsmarine and Waffen SS. The majority of these Polish citizens were Poles of German extraction (Volksdeutsche), Silesians, Kasubians, and Masurians. Some of other Polish citizens of Ukrainian, Belarusian, Russian, and Lithuanian origin serve in German military units, both in Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS.

Of course they supported the enemy of the nation they were citizens of but patriotic Poles did the same during the partitions, fighting against Prussia for France for example.

If those non-ethnical polish citizens felt allegiance to Germany I don't think it can be seen as collaboration or betrayal...IMHO....or what do Poles think?