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Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

And that's not so good as one may think. We had Korczak but we didn't learn.

No it is good. Teaches kid to respect other people. Not returning respect is not right.
However here we are talking about kid teaching hen how to make eggs. Not the right place to be and not the right attitude to take part in political demonstration with.

She had a place there but he didn't? Sorry, but where is logic in it? Everyone can express their views in peaceful manner and she crossed the line. Simple really.

So what that-she crossed the line? You are talking from the safety of your screen. she was taking part in political demonstration that has been going for days. She probably has been abused on a daily bases and then came that kid and is mocking her. I don't believe that he was respectful and only expressed his opinion. That is BS Lenka and you know it. So what injures did he surfed? life threatening?

Be serious for a moment.
You know how confrontational demonstration can be and are.
That event has been just used to by propaganda and that is a sad thing in Poland.
Anyway Why is has been discussed in this thread? I would say that it is off-topic.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Ironside, the kid wasn't a kid, he was about 12-13 and more than able to make his mind up about politics. I was deeply into politics at that age, as were some of my peers.

In Poland hes is a kid not to talk to their elders as an equal.

He wasn't vulgar. He was actually very polite.

Maybe maybe not, the point is he had no place in the public demonstration when emotion flow high. what you want to demonstrate by one example here? People were spit at, were abused verbal, cans of beer have been throw at them.

Why are we even talk about it here? It is off-topic!

In other words, reports from some people are more important in your eyes than the video of them screaming abuse at priests and so on?

So what? I mean what are you talking about? What is your point?

He didn't broke into her house- it was a public space and he had every right to express his views as she had.

Sitting on the sofa and theorizing much?
Once he was allowed to take part on contra-demonstration hes is to blame for whatever happened at least in 50%. What is so hard to understand?

Once again hes had no place there.

In Ironside's world, the only people allowed to have views are those with the correct views.

Delphin i would appreciate if you stop using your cheap Stalinist technique of propaganda and manipulation.

The French Revolution was necessary. Unless you prefer an oppressed, ignorant, starving population.
The Terror period is an awful side effect of it. Don't mix up everything.

I'm afraid that you are mixing everything.The FR can be glorified in France but let face it. It was murderous bloody regime all in the name of reason,

Murdering people and wiping out population wasn't necessary. It is called genocide.

Apart from that, the Church can be blamed for many other things in its 2000 years of history.

Name one which was worse than any of events due to direct action of secularist and anti-religious types?

The USSR was proved not viable and rapidly disappeared. So, yes, I agree, it's not a good example of 'secular' state.

It is a perfect example of a secular state. Your objection being noted and discarded as unsubstantial and immaterial.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Could you stop throwing stuff without explaining? It's just pointless. And would you like to discuss about the 'christianisation' (a synonym for murder and slavery maybe) in South America and Africa for instance? How many crimes in the name of God? We can go for hours.

I have no time to spend on educating people on PF. If you are looking for answer you can surely find them.
As for the above - The French Revolution - the rivers of blood.
The Mexican Revolution and 70 years of them in power - prosecutions and rivers of blood.
The Russian Revolution - millions of victims
The Church in 2000 years of its history cannot be blamed even for a fraction of those murdered in the name of secularism and reason. Million upon million of prove how good the enlightenment , secular state and atheist reality are for humans.

That's a secular dictate? That's not different from your Christian based law. You probably got mistaken somewhere tho...

No, but Christianity has at lest some consistency and experience in that. You seems not to understand what came with people deciding what moral or not according to their whim or majority in parliament vote.

Think on it.
Specially on Soviet morality.

What part of ''eloquently told her he did not agree" don't you understand?

What part for sending kind to aggravate older women you don't understands. kid had no place in there.
As for him being vulgar.
I read reports from there and I have no reason to not believe them.

What part of sending kid to aggravate older women you don't understand. the kid had no place in there. What was he doing there in the first place. Maybe she should take all abuse with a smile but that is not the point
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Take Poland. The actions of a vocal minority that shout about TV Trwam and so on are not supported by other Catholics. I know many Catholics that consider Rydzyk to be the Antichrist for his behaviour - and consider his actions to be nothing short of immoral. Others regard him as being a source of truth and justice.

Typical Democratic differences in the community. Not mindless homogeneous blob of secularists. :)

See Ironside, unlike you, I was there. I saw thugs 'defending' the cross with violence, I saw one woman physically attack a child because he eloquently told her that he didn't agree with her hatred and so on. Trying to claim that "leftist thugs" were involved with the abuse towards people and the Church on that occasion is nothing short of lying.

well if the child of 12 vulgarly is vulgarly assaulting oldish women who done nothing to him the only proper response is to smack the bastard. It is not what our fathers have been fighting for, stupid brats insulting women.

Well i have read reports from that events and I do not agree with you, you maybe not lying but you cannot be everywhere at once.

Also the fact remains that those people where there for a reason of somebody came to say something it means came there with the intention of doing something - so please do not present them as victims.

Those were people instigated to hate by the media and shyty government.

It wasn't criticism, it was an attack on the those priests involved. Do you need to be reminded how they were screamed at and told that they were Jewish and so on?

In this a way group of people tell others they do not agree with what they are doing. I see nothing wrong with that, it is basic democracy in action.

Telling off to clergy - you should be overjoyed.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Everything evolves. Everything but Christianity, esp. Catholicism.

Seems to me that you don't know much about you are criticizing.

The thing is: nothing's really simple

It is simple enough.

Good for who? Christianity history is not all bright, we all know that.

Well secularist and atheist surpassed all dark shadows in the Church history in 20 years and then repeated that trick few times since. So who is talking?

Could you elaborate?

As I said - deciding what is moral and what is not.

The problem is that Christians themselves don't agree on what is "moral".

I don't know what you are talking about?

I seem to remember some absolutely hideous abuse handed out to those that tried to remove the cross in Warsaw.

There were no need to aggravate those people which was done by so called President and mass media.With help of some leftist thugs.
Do not about attacks on the Church - criticizing some priest or other is not attack on the Church as much as you would like it to be.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

The problem is 'morality', meaning and/or perception, can vary from one person to another

I think when you strep it to basic it is pretty clear.

I just think that Christianity, especially Catholicism (and its morality), has a hard time adapting to today's world.

People are the same regardless of times, some bad some good some stupid and some wise - simple as that.

Humans will always question things. It's in our nature. We can't base everything (or almost) on a book and traditions that are thousands of years old.

Would they?Sacred Cows exists even in secular non-religious reality.
If something is has been good for thousands or years what change it?

What is wrong to you about secularism?

but for the fact they promise neutral state to produce secular dictate?
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

It's not what it seems. It's anti-atheisation.

whatever - so somebody will say something to cross atheisation brigade - big deal. Democracy is all about public debate.
Seems to me that some people here while laughing at conspiracy theories hold their own dark suspicions bordering on paranoia.

I do believe that religion is a personal matter, and there should not a be an official state religion

I used to think like you but i changed my mind due to activity of some cultural Marxist bend on destroying Christianity based societies and to build new secular totalitarianism.

However neutral state can be achieved with the laws based on Christan morality. No need there to attack base of morality and an attempt to decide what is moral and what is not.

That has nothing to do with a neutral state but with fighting secularism.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

I live in a town, not village. And it doesn't affect me really but it's not pleasant either- the ball is still on Catholics half although it's changing. They are certainly not disciminated.

See I original call from Warsaw. Most people were greeting a priest by Dzen Dobry, I think it has changed recently but I'm not sure, probably people who are into the Church changed it. On the other hand before priests were respected by almost everybody except for commies and SB.

That changed as well. One day I chased two or three teenage dirt-bags taunting a priest with some shyty name calling.
For me Sczesc Boze was a greeting used in a village we used to frequent and it was a general greeting not addressed particularly to a priest.

They are certainly not disciminated.

I beg to differ in the public discourse the ball is not played levelly.

if they will try to force anything on me

Force - how? They can try to convince you but nobody can force you to anything.Sorry but it sounds funny to me. Only your parents can try to force on you something. Catholics are all for free will and free choice but there must be free choice possible.

That is the most important question- how they are planning to act- what this organisation will be about.

The same way anti-Catholicism and anti-religion groups are working. Being present with their message in the media.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

I say Dzień Dobry to a priest instead of Szczęść Boże,

That must be because you are living in the village. Still what the harm?

No harm. Let them organise their comette. As long as it doesn't affect my life (and I assume it won't) let them have million such organisations- keep them busy if that's what they want

So we are in accord then:)
See Poles can agree on something - only soviets and foreigners are meddling.

People trying to force you? ;)

Force how? There is much ado about nothing. You cannot force people to believe into something - right? So what the harm in having such organization pro-believing in God. Surely nowadays you can have any number of organization to lobby for their point of view.

What the harm?
You have lesbians and activist pretending to fight for women rights and none cry foul.

Anyway, there is no 'atheisation'. There's freedom to believe or not.

If you believe in that...
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

Maybe because it is a one of the Polish cities that remained relatively intact after the trails of the WWII.

This seems to be happening with young people, so I don't believe Communism is the culprit (indirectly, perhaps, but not directly). Certainly a 20-something female isn't going to remember the rigors of competing for the last loaf of bread. Perhaps they learned how to act in public by observing their parents - I don't know.

Maybe it has something to do with the last 20 years or so, not only Soviet occupation is to blame.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
USA, Canada / Prayer, relgious symbols OK in public in Québec! Poland watches. [99]

. Not that there's any evidence whatsoever that the faith in question is 'not good for people'.

Are you seriously advocating in favor of Satanism?
Wait a second? The Cult of Evil/Satan cannot be really considered on equal footing with other faiths.
Even if we assume for a second that there is no God or Evil or nothing behind the grave, still people who would choose to worship epitome of Evil are up to no good and shouldn't be given any privileges.

Unless your aim is to spite Christians, then it would make sense.

The two main denominations of that religion never comment on and hold no organisational point of view about other religions. The more popular of the two in Poland are very particular about that.

Well because they have set themselves in the world of Christan beliefs as their main Opponent, They do not need to stress it.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

I find your behaviour more rude as well. You said yourself- you don't even think she noticed you- you on the other hand deliberately run into her.

More rude? Hardly, I would say that it was justified rudeness on his part.
Although I must say that there is something wrong with some people who are just walking in the crowd as if they were alone.
It is about manners and social awareness methinks..
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

Be careful about making assumptions based on people's accent though. They can often be wrong.

Did it happen to you?I'm asking because I'm certain that he was English.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

Did you ask him about his nationality?

No I didn't. I did recognize his accent however. Why are you asking? Are you implying that Englishman wouldn't swear in public?

. Sounds like he acted fairly sensibly.

I can understand his frustration.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

I mean he was English unless he was faking it for a reason unknown. Secondly I have posted what I have seen and heard.
Where did you find accusation or judgement?
Not in my post.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

I noticed in Poland something I have never seen before, some individuals walking like there is no tomorrow without regard to other pedestrians, like zombies really. People under 25, strange.

standing at the stop right in front of the bus/tram door expecting people to squeeze round them and then standing during the journey in the doorway and then looking surprised when people want to get off.

I witnessed such encounter between people standing in the doorways and frustrated Englishman. Prepshiam, prepashiam ......... and then - for **** sake will you let me out?
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]

None of that makes the slightest bit of sense as usual.

on the contrary dear jon on the contrary, we both know why you chose to answer as you did. Nothing to do with not making sense by me, but I cannot be bother to pursue further this issue.#

Those are precisely the concepts most average Poles are wary of.

Not even that, the point si Polo3 that in Warsaw you can find any kind of people and any kind of views. My bet would be that those who are freshly imported to the capital, are those the most cosmopolitan, liberal and so on....ah and Soviets and their brood.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]

Read the post before commenting. It didn't include the word 'former' and you will not be voting in this election

Well is is not what I'm asking for, if you don't want to answer just say so.

You abandoned Poland years ago.

Watch out what you saying or it may cause your self-hood to crumble.
Ironside   
16 Jun 2013
Law / Jobs and Economic Status in Poland [64]

nlike the rest of Europe Poland has not had a recession, so Poland is doing very good and will recover quickly due to the low levels of public and private debt.

Well economical statistics and all charts are one thing and quite the other are conditions people have tp put up on the ground. Their perspective for improvement and such.
Ironside   
16 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]

Whatever you're trying to say makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm former resident of Warsaw. Do I qualify to be the most cosmopolitan, multicultural and politically liberal .
Ironside   
16 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]

Hard to know what you mean here. Former residents don't get to vote.

probably the most cosmopolitan, multicultural and politically liberal section of society.

I'm referring to that part of your post.
Ironside   
16 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]

Strange. The only ones that seem to say this stuff are the ones who also cheat ZUS, who cheat others and who live thoroughly dishonourable lives.

Can you prove it?I think not is just another performance by delph in producing huge bubbles of hot air - bravo! Where is my popcorn?

Sexist to the end, aren't you? I mean, a woman, in charge of Warsaw? No!

Come on delph what do you have against women? Look for your feminine side

Interestingly the ouster isn't a PiS thing

Maybe for the fact that she is rubbish as the City president,so bad in fact that even political shield is not able to hide it.

As much as I despise of HGW, Gronkowiec is still way better than Kłamczyński and his pisuar.

you seems to be despising everyone - happens

it's all residents of Warsaw with a vote - probably the most cosmopolitan, multicultural and politically liberal section of society.

How about former residents? lol
Ironside   
16 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]

By "patriots" that don't even live in Poland?

By Poles living in Poland.

Quite obviously much of this is to do with sexism.

Rather with a fact that lady in qestion has been know for her intellectual capacity of a door.
Ironside   
16 Jun 2013
News / PO-PiS again neck and neck [248]

There is no connection.
Your allegation are only allegations nothing more. Wheres her father was who he was that the fact. Also at the time one phone form daddy and she got a job in the TV. Building party and shaking Poland was due to daddy phone - he done it himself well with a brother.

I see you are trying to fine equality where there is none. Such strategy renders debate impossible - and I guess it is what you are after.