TheOther
13 Dec 2009
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
No... ;)
Do I need to say more
No... ;)
TheOther
13 Dec 2009
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
Very true!
That's why I find the kind of finger-pointing at Germany in this thread hypocritical and way over the top.
The children are always the victims when parents fight, but bi-national ones suffer doubly!
Very true!
I really think most countries act the same in this regard and there is more to find
That's why I find the kind of finger-pointing at Germany in this thread hypocritical and way over the top.
TheOther
13 Dec 2009
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
That link proves my point, BB.
kidnapped2poland.org/
That link proves my point, BB.
TheOther
13 Dec 2009
Genealogy / last name I think its spelled mackinsky or mcakinasky [10]
steveholdem
There were Scottish settlers in Prussia. Read about them here:
electricscotland.com/history/prussia/part1-7.htm
steveholdem
There were Scottish settlers in Prussia. Read about them here:
electricscotland.com/history/prussia/part1-7.htm
TheOther
13 Dec 2009
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
What's the difference between the German Jugendamt and an American judge who decides against you because you are a foreigner? The latter is hard to prove, I admit, but I know two cases where a married American parent was living abroad, separated from the spouse, and just took off with the kids to the USA. Even though it was against the will of the children, the American judge decided that they have to stay with their mum.
Sokrates
What do you think would happen if a Polish mother takes her kids and runs back home, and her German ex takes her to a Polish court over the children? I'm pretty sure it's the same outcome as described above. Poland or other countries might not have this strange Jugendamt, but IMHO that doesn't mean that they treat foreign parents better than Germany.
most probably because the lady was the mother and not because she was an American
What's the difference between the German Jugendamt and an American judge who decides against you because you are a foreigner? The latter is hard to prove, I admit, but I know two cases where a married American parent was living abroad, separated from the spouse, and just took off with the kids to the USA. Even though it was against the will of the children, the American judge decided that they have to stay with their mum.
Sokrates
What do you think would happen if a Polish mother takes her kids and runs back home, and her German ex takes her to a Polish court over the children? I'm pretty sure it's the same outcome as described above. Poland or other countries might not have this strange Jugendamt, but IMHO that doesn't mean that they treat foreign parents better than Germany.
TheOther
13 Dec 2009
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
Sokrates
Try to get your kid out of the USA as a foreigner. Exactly the same thing. Happened to a friend of mine who got divorced from an American lady. So don't complain about Germany - this practice can be found elsewhere, too. I bet even in Poland.
Sokrates
Try to get your kid out of the USA as a foreigner. Exactly the same thing. Happened to a friend of mine who got divorced from an American lady. So don't complain about Germany - this practice can be found elsewhere, too. I bet even in Poland.
TheOther
12 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
I agree with you, heritage is important. But if you do not understand the political environment your ancestors lived in, you will never know why your heritage/ cultural background is the way it is. One thing I will never get for example is, why so many (Plastic) Poles on this forum simply refuse to accept that the histories of both Poland and Germany are so deeply interconnected in eastern Europe that you can hardly keep them apart. What sense does it make to deny historical facts just to paint (your personal idea of) your heritage in the rosiest light possible?
As geealogy is more the study of one heritage not ones citzenship
I agree with you, heritage is important. But if you do not understand the political environment your ancestors lived in, you will never know why your heritage/ cultural background is the way it is. One thing I will never get for example is, why so many (Plastic) Poles on this forum simply refuse to accept that the histories of both Poland and Germany are so deeply interconnected in eastern Europe that you can hardly keep them apart. What sense does it make to deny historical facts just to paint (your personal idea of) your heritage in the rosiest light possible?
TheOther
12 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
Gheez, Mark - that's nowadays. When we are talking about ancestors, we might want to go back in time a bit, don't you think? Probably to an era not too long ago when the percentage of protestants in Poland was much, much higher than it is today? Need more hints, or do I need to call the doctor?
Again: I was responding to Hellen and NOT to the OP. Where does Hellen say that her ancestor was catholic?
Less than 1 percent of Poland is protestant
Gheez, Mark - that's nowadays. When we are talking about ancestors, we might want to go back in time a bit, don't you think? Probably to an era not too long ago when the percentage of protestants in Poland was much, much higher than it is today? Need more hints, or do I need to call the doctor?
If Iowagirl's relative was protestant....
Again: I was responding to Hellen and NOT to the OP. Where does Hellen say that her ancestor was catholic?
TheOther
12 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
You're either drunk, stoned or both, or you simply don't get it. :)
Well, you might want to read the rest of the sentence first...
Cheers!
AHHHH yes I do considering protestants
You're either drunk, stoned or both, or you simply don't get it. :)
Thanks for making my point
Well, you might want to read the rest of the sentence first...
Cheers!
TheOther
11 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
You don't make much sense, Mark. Do you have an idea how many people there are worldwide who are descendants of protestant Germans, Dutch, French or Scots who lived in the area which is now Poland? The chance that the majority of protestant church books remained in Poland is quite low actually, given the fact that almost 400000 of them ended up in Moscow and are now scanned by the LDS, that loads of them were destroyed during the war and by the Poles immediately after the war, and that many more are kept in Berlin.
A lot of old catholic church books were given back to Poland by Germany as late as 2001, and AFAIK there are still plenty left in the archives in Regensburg (I heard it's closed now) and Nuremberg, respectively.
Well if I am looking for records for less than 1 percent of the population
You don't make much sense, Mark. Do you have an idea how many people there are worldwide who are descendants of protestant Germans, Dutch, French or Scots who lived in the area which is now Poland? The chance that the majority of protestant church books remained in Poland is quite low actually, given the fact that almost 400000 of them ended up in Moscow and are now scanned by the LDS, that loads of them were destroyed during the war and by the Poles immediately after the war, and that many more are kept in Berlin.
As far as the Catholic records all records can be found in Polish archives unless they were destroyed during the war or in the Polish uprising
A lot of old catholic church books were given back to Poland by Germany as late as 2001, and AFAIK there are still plenty left in the archives in Regensburg (I heard it's closed now) and Nuremberg, respectively.
TheOther
11 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
Read again. I told her that her grandmother was not born in Poland, and I didn't mention descendants at all.
It made this person a German citizen of Polish ethnicity.
Totally wrong! Many protestant church records for example are not in Poland, but in Berlin in the EZA. Until recently, many catholic church books were to be found in Regensburg, Germany.
That's not what I meant... :)
you responded by telling her her descendants were not Polish
Read again. I told her that her grandmother was not born in Poland, and I didn't mention descendants at all.
yes but that does not make them German...
It made this person a German citizen of Polish ethnicity.
...nor if you want to find genealogical data on anyone being born there would you look in the Germany
...the fact is if you are looking for genealogical data for a person born in "occupied" Poland ...you will have to look in Poland
Totally wrong! Many protestant church records for example are not in Poland, but in Berlin in the EZA. Until recently, many catholic church books were to be found in Regensburg, Germany.
The fact that American history is limited to a short time frame does not prevent me from being proud of being an American citizen
That's not what I meant... :)
TheOther
11 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
Nope, not true. I was responding to Hellen's post (#15) only; read it.
Again: I am talking about citizenship, not ethnicity. An ethnic Pole who was born in Posen (not Poznan!) in 1900 was a citizen of the German Empire.
See my profile...
That's typical American... ;)
Rewriting history or ignoring simple historical facts doesn't help, though.
On the contrary...
Nope, not true. I was responding to Hellen's post (#15) only; read it.
The fact that Poland was occupied and ruled by foreign...
Again: I am talking about citizenship, not ethnicity. An ethnic Pole who was born in Posen (not Poznan!) in 1900 was a citizen of the German Empire.
I am very curious as to where you currently reside.
See my profile...
I am half Polish and half Irish
That's typical American... ;)
History helps in the genealogical process but is not ruled by it
Rewriting history or ignoring simple historical facts doesn't help, though.
TheOther
11 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
markskibniewski
We were not talking about ethnicity, but about citizenship. Of course people felt Polish (I'm not questioning that), but that doesn't mean that they were Polish citizens. Actually, they couldn't, because Poland didn't exist as an independent state at the time in question. In genealogy you have to stick to the facts, that's all I'm saying. Just imagine your grandfather coming from Russia without birth certificate, and the ship manifest says 'Country of Birth: Poland'. Your chances to find the birth place of your grandpa would be minimal after that for example. Unless you have other sources of course, but you know what I mean.
markskibniewski
We were not talking about ethnicity, but about citizenship. Of course people felt Polish (I'm not questioning that), but that doesn't mean that they were Polish citizens. Actually, they couldn't, because Poland didn't exist as an independent state at the time in question. In genealogy you have to stick to the facts, that's all I'm saying. Just imagine your grandfather coming from Russia without birth certificate, and the ship manifest says 'Country of Birth: Poland'. Your chances to find the birth place of your grandpa would be minimal after that for example. Unless you have other sources of course, but you know what I mean.
TheOther
11 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
Then I suggest that you grab a history book and learn something, kid. I even help you: rollintl.com/roll/galicia.htm
Second map from top.
PS: Of course I know that you're just trolling... ;)
Then I suggest that you grab a history book and learn something, kid. I even help you: rollintl.com/roll/galicia.htm
Second map from top.
PS: Of course I know that you're just trolling... ;)
TheOther
11 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
But the Norwegian military layed down its arms, right? So was it their leadership that had a problem with reality, or did they simply defy the orders of the king? Just curious.
The King is the head military leader, chief in command or how you would spell it. Some twats just can't comprehend reality.
But the Norwegian military layed down its arms, right? So was it their leadership that had a problem with reality, or did they simply defy the orders of the king? Just curious.
TheOther
11 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Does it really matter what the king did, except for having a good excuse, I mean...? ;)
Army may have standed down but the King didn't!
Does it really matter what the king did, except for having a good excuse, I mean...? ;)
TheOther
10 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
If Tarnow is the town a few miles east of Krakow, then she was born in Austria-Hungary, province of Galizia.
Where was she born then
If Tarnow is the town a few miles east of Krakow, then she was born in Austria-Hungary, province of Galizia.
TheOther
9 Dec 2009
TheOther
9 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
slonce
What's your problem? Unlike in dreamworld, in genealogical research you have to work with facts. Wishful thinking and ignoring history doesn't help. :)
slonce
What's your problem? Unlike in dreamworld, in genealogical research you have to work with facts. Wishful thinking and ignoring history doesn't help. :)
TheOther
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
So the millions of members of the Polish communist party didn't consider themselves Polish either?
they certainly didn't consider themselves Polish if they
helped Soviets to occupy and enslave Poland and murder thousands of Polish patriots
helped Soviets to occupy and enslave Poland and murder thousands of Polish patriots
So the millions of members of the Polish communist party didn't consider themselves Polish either?
TheOther
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Reversing the Hundred Years' War? Cool idea, but I'm not so sure that the French would love it... ;)
on the condition that Britain was allowed to regain her former territories in France
Reversing the Hundred Years' War? Cool idea, but I'm not so sure that the French would love it... ;)
TheOther
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Are you really sure that Britain declared war on Germany for the noble cause of protecting democracy and freedom, and to help Poland? Could it be that it was more like being worried about Germany getting too strong and challenging the power of the Empire? What interest could Britain possibly have in an unimportant (sorry...) country like Poland? Sometimes I believe that all this "we fought for freedom and democracy" crap is simple propaganda.
Britain did not fight for just Britain, we fought for all decent people in Europe, including Germans, to free them from the Nazi's.
Are you really sure that Britain declared war on Germany for the noble cause of protecting democracy and freedom, and to help Poland? Could it be that it was more like being worried about Germany getting too strong and challenging the power of the Empire? What interest could Britain possibly have in an unimportant (sorry...) country like Poland? Sometimes I believe that all this "we fought for freedom and democracy" crap is simple propaganda.
TheOther
9 Dec 2009
Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]
Hellen
First of all: your great grandmother wasn't born in Poland, but either in Prussia/ German Empire, Austria-Hungary or Russia (sorry, I'm too lazy right now to look up where Jodlowska/Tarnow was). Poland did not exist in the 1880's. Regarding the passenger lists, I would do it the other way round. Try to find the ship she used to travel to the US first (port of departure might have been Bremen or Hamburg), so that you have an indication where she might have lived after immigration. Find the nearest port to that place and it might be the one from where she left to Denmark.
Hellen
First of all: your great grandmother wasn't born in Poland, but either in Prussia/ German Empire, Austria-Hungary or Russia (sorry, I'm too lazy right now to look up where Jodlowska/Tarnow was). Poland did not exist in the 1880's. Regarding the passenger lists, I would do it the other way round. Try to find the ship she used to travel to the US first (port of departure might have been Bremen or Hamburg), so that you have an indication where she might have lived after immigration. Find the nearest port to that place and it might be the one from where she left to Denmark.
TheOther
8 Dec 2009
Life / The Poles - do they "bumble" through life? [29]
No, he was the plumber repairing the toilets on the top floor of the Deutsche Bank headquarters...
Was your brother fixing the bank's TV antennae?
No, he was the plumber repairing the toilets on the top floor of the Deutsche Bank headquarters...
TheOther
5 Dec 2009
Polonia / Poles in Norway? Polish community in Oslo. [43]
Hmmmm, the Poles shouldn't forget their heritage, but if the Turks in Europe do it the locals say that they are not willing to integrate?
Hmmmm, the Poles shouldn't forget their heritage, but if the Turks in Europe do it the locals say that they are not willing to integrate?
TheOther
1 Dec 2009
News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]
LOL, an ex-alcoholic who believed that God gives him orders? Quite frightning that this guy was the most powerful man on Earth, don't you think?
guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
G.W.B. was a wise president.
LOL, an ex-alcoholic who believed that God gives him orders? Quite frightning that this guy was the most powerful man on Earth, don't you think?
guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
TheOther
24 Nov 2009
News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]
These statements contradict themselves.
I know a few satanists
(I move in very eclectic social circles),
(I move in very eclectic social circles),
These statements contradict themselves.
TheOther
20 Nov 2009
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]
That's exactly what I was saying. Every country tries to present itself in the most positive way, I guess. To achieve that goal it doesn't "hurt" to rewrite history a little, or so they think.
That's exactly what I was saying. Every country tries to present itself in the most positive way, I guess. To achieve that goal it doesn't "hurt" to rewrite history a little, or so they think.
TheOther
19 Nov 2009
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]
As much as the truth is taught in American and Polish schools... :)
Does Russia and Germany even teach the truth to their people?
As much as the truth is taught in American and Polish schools... :)
TheOther
19 Nov 2009
Genealogy / Red Hair - recessive gene from Poland? [108]
There was a Scottish immigration to Prussia:
electricscotland.com/history/prussia/index.htm
electricscotland.com/history/germany/scotsndx.htm
There was scottish immigration to poland
There was a Scottish immigration to Prussia:
electricscotland.com/history/prussia/index.htm
electricscotland.com/history/germany/scotsndx.htm