Ironside
27 Sep 2015
News / The shame of Duda making late night visits to Kaczyński [79]
Polish political scene is weird for those who don't understand it.
But it's weird
Polish political scene is weird for those who don't understand it.
Ironside
27 Sep 2015
News / The shame of Duda making late night visits to Kaczyński [79]
you are homophobic delph it is romantic.
This is absolutely diabolical
you are homophobic delph it is romantic.
Ironside
26 Sep 2015
News / Poland's Justice Minister, Z. Ziobro appeals to Kora (and won't face State Tribunal) [51]
Talking about while back when he waved away his immunity.
I don't like Ziboro, I don't like that much PiS, they are too center-left for me, but there is nothing else so far, unfortunately. PO is just bunch of crooks and opportunists without any ideology or anything going for them, they are vultures! Hand in hand with oligarchs and behind the curtain the ex-soviet secret police cabal.
That was something entirely different, the idea that a state prosecutors should be controlled by the state.
I'm talking about something else, connection based on personal ties - patronage (clientela).
Surely they can't proceed as he has immunity.
Talking about while back when he waved away his immunity.
I don't like Ziboro, I don't like that much PiS, they are too center-left for me, but there is nothing else so far, unfortunately. PO is just bunch of crooks and opportunists without any ideology or anything going for them, they are vultures! Hand in hand with oligarchs and behind the curtain the ex-soviet secret police cabal.
(By the way, it was PiS that attempted to control the prosecutors. Do stop mistaking PO for PiS)
That was something entirely different, the idea that a state prosecutors should be controlled by the state.
I'm talking about something else, connection based on personal ties - patronage (clientela).
Ironside
26 Sep 2015
News / Poland's Justice Minister, Z. Ziobro appeals to Kora (and won't face State Tribunal) [51]
Exactly Harry you made point for gregy, charges didn't even went pass prosecutor office, meaning even in the legal system where prosecutors are sympathetic towards PO to say the least there were nothing to proceed with.
Cause there is nothing.
All that State Tribunal farce is yet another desperate political gamble before election.
harges have to be brought by the prosecutor in order for a prosecution to take place.
Exactly Harry you made point for gregy, charges didn't even went pass prosecutor office, meaning even in the legal system where prosecutors are sympathetic towards PO to say the least there were nothing to proceed with.
Cause there is nothing.
All that State Tribunal farce is yet another desperate political gamble before election.
Ironside
26 Sep 2015
USA, Canada / Do many Polish people in America hate Americans? [592]
Not really, rather majority of British on this forum are lefties and PC by breed, education and definition. British right in Polish understanding of that term i.e. patriotic, educated and with class practically do not exist, they have no intellectual capacity, background or think-thank, most of them wouldn't know how to spell ideology, they are expositions of of course but that is generally true that most of British intelligentsia adhere to the leftists world view.
It all explain why Brits in Poland project circumstances of their home country and tend to see movements label as a right wing and radical in the same light as they see right wing and radical in Britain. Which is a big mistake and the very reason they do not understand Polish political scene.
America is a big country and people tend to use freedom of speech regardless of PC inroads. You should listen to some American Jews or Homosexuals or *******, in comparison most of American_Poles writing on this forum are moderates.
maybe it's just this forum that attracts such people, dunno.
Not really, rather majority of British on this forum are lefties and PC by breed, education and definition. British right in Polish understanding of that term i.e. patriotic, educated and with class practically do not exist, they have no intellectual capacity, background or think-thank, most of them wouldn't know how to spell ideology, they are expositions of of course but that is generally true that most of British intelligentsia adhere to the leftists world view.
It all explain why Brits in Poland project circumstances of their home country and tend to see movements label as a right wing and radical in the same light as they see right wing and radical in Britain. Which is a big mistake and the very reason they do not understand Polish political scene.
America is a big country and people tend to use freedom of speech regardless of PC inroads. You should listen to some American Jews or Homosexuals or *******, in comparison most of American_Poles writing on this forum are moderates.
Ironside
25 Sep 2015
USA, Canada / Do many Polish people in America hate Americans? [592]
Well, you do have that thing about Americans delph. I don't, I just cannot take that dude LP seriously. Come on teenagers saying something or acting like teenagers, some posts on PF and here he is a big drama queen. WTF?
Adults do not act like that or at least sensible adults don't.
That my Scottish forum mate is something that you and your buddy Harry perceives as ignorance, do not project your opinions on Poles.
The only thing I have against some Americans are their unreasonable expectations as if their ancestry and few customs they have kept entitle them to prise and an instant recognition of kinship. As if Americans-Poles were tight-knit community in their own right. They are not, they are fragmented and they don't have as much pull in the USA as they could have would they acted otherwise.
Overtly that is a small thing. Often in the way gets misunderstanding between European and American thinking, if an American say I'm Polish, he more oft than not means, I'm of Polish origin, I know and identify with some customs and food that are being assassinated with Poland in Polish community in the USA.
Whereas Europeans think - WTF? You don't even speak the lingo and I bet you would have a problem with pointing Poland on the map. What are you trying to pull? You are an American.
See different meaning, same word.
Ironside, this must be a forum first if me, Doug and you are all in agreement
Well, you do have that thing about Americans delph. I don't, I just cannot take that dude LP seriously. Come on teenagers saying something or acting like teenagers, some posts on PF and here he is a big drama queen. WTF?
Adults do not act like that or at least sensible adults don't.
Even small things are perceived as complete ignorance, such as using words like "pierogies" and "golumpkies".
That my Scottish forum mate is something that you and your buddy Harry perceives as ignorance, do not project your opinions on Poles.
The only thing I have against some Americans are their unreasonable expectations as if their ancestry and few customs they have kept entitle them to prise and an instant recognition of kinship. As if Americans-Poles were tight-knit community in their own right. They are not, they are fragmented and they don't have as much pull in the USA as they could have would they acted otherwise.
Overtly that is a small thing. Often in the way gets misunderstanding between European and American thinking, if an American say I'm Polish, he more oft than not means, I'm of Polish origin, I know and identify with some customs and food that are being assassinated with Poland in Polish community in the USA.
Whereas Europeans think - WTF? You don't even speak the lingo and I bet you would have a problem with pointing Poland on the map. What are you trying to pull? You are an American.
See different meaning, same word.
Ironside
25 Sep 2015
News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]
Wow you are talking about Pomorskie, Pomorskie is now zachodniopomorskie and you are talking about gdanskie, different area. You got me confused!
Honesty I don't know and I don't care, supporting PO today is not a sign of a particularly bright minds.
If more Poles move to the Tri-City,
Wow you are talking about Pomorskie, Pomorskie is now zachodniopomorskie and you are talking about gdanskie, different area. You got me confused!
Honesty I don't know and I don't care, supporting PO today is not a sign of a particularly bright minds.
Ironside
25 Sep 2015
USA, Canada / Do many Polish people in America hate Americans? [592]
Name calling? I simply call you for what you really are, if as you say you were such a friend and contributed so much you surely wouldn't be so easily swayed out of your sentiments by some anonymous posters in same obscure thread. Either you were just waiting for an opportunity to cut your ties or deeds which you considered an obligation or whats more likely you are just yet another Internet drifter looking for a quarrel.
I don't care one wit for what you do or what you don't do. I just find it strange that you are offended by one thread so much that you feel the need to post it all here together with your petty vindictiveness.
It is more likely that you are some impostor and the only pole you ever been close to is the same one your mother tied you to by a chain when you were naughty.
This site is full or people from all walks of life and most of them are not Polish.
You will not get many replies, I have only bothered cause I sensed a creature that dwells under the bridge.
Name calling? I simply call you for what you really are, if as you say you were such a friend and contributed so much you surely wouldn't be so easily swayed out of your sentiments by some anonymous posters in same obscure thread. Either you were just waiting for an opportunity to cut your ties or deeds which you considered an obligation or whats more likely you are just yet another Internet drifter looking for a quarrel.
You are just whining that I dare not enable such people.
I don't care one wit for what you do or what you don't do. I just find it strange that you are offended by one thread so much that you feel the need to post it all here together with your petty vindictiveness.
It is more likely that you are some impostor and the only pole you ever been close to is the same one your mother tied you to by a chain when you were naughty.
This site is full or people from all walks of life and most of them are not Polish.
You will not get many replies, I have only bothered cause I sensed a creature that dwells under the bridge.
Ironside
24 Sep 2015
News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]
Not they are not normal, it has been palce where sovietization of Poles progressed more than in other parts of Poland. That place where collective,a state owned farms have been a big part of the landscape to turn into ruin and slums after transformation.
You did educate me, I have learned that you regard soviet mentality as a norm. Always glad to learn something new.
There is ONE place in Poland that is actually normal in thinking, and forward looking, and it's Pomorskie region.
Not they are not normal, it has been palce where sovietization of Poles progressed more than in other parts of Poland. That place where collective,a state owned farms have been a big part of the landscape to turn into ruin and slums after transformation.
Glad to educate you on that.
You did educate me, I have learned that you regard soviet mentality as a norm. Always glad to learn something new.
Ironside
24 Sep 2015
USA, Canada / Do many Polish people in America hate Americans? [592]
You are a big baby if you are for real and if not you are yet another time waster.
You are a big baby if you are for real and if not you are yet another time waster.
Ironside
24 Sep 2015
News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]
Do they consider Israel, Brazil or Venezuela as their destination?
Nonsense. A lot of my contacts are seriously considering their positions. They are high earners and can go where they please.
Do they consider Israel, Brazil or Venezuela as their destination?
Ironside
23 Sep 2015
News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]
What you see appealing in PO delph? They are despicable lairs, cheats and an epitome of dilettantism.
They have proven they don't care about Polish interests at all, they represent interest of the EU and Germany in Poland instead.
What you see appealing in PO delph? They are despicable lairs, cheats and an epitome of dilettantism.
They have proven they don't care about Polish interests at all, they represent interest of the EU and Germany in Poland instead.
Ironside
22 Sep 2015
News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]
They always try to sell bad news as something good, like rising taxes to 44% and claiming it is actually reduction. They are supported by some oligarchs and major mass media so they are not finished as yet but they will loose- that for certain.
Wait and see, because the murmurings are that Poland pushed through some amendments to the original plan that are favourable.
They always try to sell bad news as something good, like rising taxes to 44% and claiming it is actually reduction. They are supported by some oligarchs and major mass media so they are not finished as yet but they will loose- that for certain.
Ironside
21 Sep 2015
Love / Any English guys give me advice please. Are Polish women very different to English women? [46]
Hmm if you have problem with women that can understand you, seems like the problem lay in you not those women. If you expect that Polish women to be meek, obeying and quite without their will, you are off your tangent man.
UK/US/AUSTRALIA/CANADA/NZ/IRELAND are the most horrible women in the western world for sure (and among the worst world wide).
Hmm if you have problem with women that can understand you, seems like the problem lay in you not those women. If you expect that Polish women to be meek, obeying and quite without their will, you are off your tangent man.
Ironside
20 Sep 2015
UK, Ireland / Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested [36]
Don't fret there is 2017 referendum.
Unfortunately
Don't fret there is 2017 referendum.
Ironside
19 Sep 2015
News / Polish families are urged to establish themselves in Norway : Taking children away? [36]
As well as your claim that expression concern about homosexual people becoming foster parents is homophobic. By that you have implied that all homosexual can be trusted just because they are homosexuals.
Maybe you don't know what you are saying? Reaping slogans like a parrot delph?
I'm not familiar with homosexual precises like you, who by whom and how do not interest me, possibility that those children might be exposed to sexual practices by their foster parents is enough to be cautious. why would you call caution homophobia?
No offense delpihn by you look like a stereotypical pedophile, yet nobody should be condemned and judged by his looks, after all you have sharp mind you should know that.
Maybe they didn't behave like Norwegians, so what? This country should issue leaflets to the new arrivals informing them that have very strict laws, which interfere into their private family matters and that they can loose children if they as much as give them a slap.
Otherwise I consider it disgrace, Polish ambassador should intervene.
Nope Poland is a special case. But this is off-topic here.
Nope, not in Poland.
Why would anyone trust a homosexual less or more than a heterosexual? You're not making sense, Ironside.
As well as your claim that expression concern about homosexual people becoming foster parents is homophobic. By that you have implied that all homosexual can be trusted just because they are homosexuals.
Maybe you don't know what you are saying? Reaping slogans like a parrot delph?
ust admit, it takes a special sort of mind to think of foster children buggering their foster parents.
I'm not familiar with homosexual precises like you, who by whom and how do not interest me, possibility that those children might be exposed to sexual practices by their foster parents is enough to be cautious. why would you call caution homophobia?
Haven't you noticed that almost all of these "victims" look exactly like a stereotypical child abuser?
No offense delpihn by you look like a stereotypical pedophile, yet nobody should be condemned and judged by his looks, after all you have sharp mind you should know that.
you really believe that these poor psychotic Polish parents didn't do anything?
Maybe they didn't behave like Norwegians, so what? This country should issue leaflets to the new arrivals informing them that have very strict laws, which interfere into their private family matters and that they can loose children if they as much as give them a slap.
Otherwise I consider it disgrace, Polish ambassador should intervene.
No, it isn't. Norway is seen as very much "our way, or get lost". A bit like Poland, really.
Nope Poland is a special case. But this is off-topic here.
Wasn't that common all over? I seem to recall reading about the Czechoslovaks doing the same thing.
Nope, not in Poland.
Ironside
19 Sep 2015
News / Polish families are urged to establish themselves in Norway : Taking children away? [36]
Sure, drinking parents are bad, foster parents who might be buggered by their foster children are soo much better and there is no reason for concern. Why if some stranger is homosexual why don't you give him or her your card and pin number as well as all your keys, they are to be trusted by definition just because they wave their genitals that one not the other. Otherwise it would be a clear case of homophobia.
PC absurd delph!
So it's an issue of homophobia, then.
Sure, drinking parents are bad, foster parents who might be buggered by their foster children are soo much better and there is no reason for concern. Why if some stranger is homosexual why don't you give him or her your card and pin number as well as all your keys, they are to be trusted by definition just because they wave their genitals that one not the other. Otherwise it would be a clear case of homophobia.
PC absurd delph!
Ironside
19 Sep 2015
News / Polish families are urged to establish themselves in Norway : Taking children away? [36]
Norway authorities have a history of abducting children from their parents. In the 50' they used to take children from Gypsies, about 70% of girls taken from their parents have been sterilized.
This country doesn't strike me as a very tolerant place.
Sure roz, move to Norway and **** off a neighbor and see how fast your children are gone based on one phone call with false allegations.
I think atmosphere in Norway would improve if a few hundred thoued of refugees from Muslim countries moved there, they would see how taking children off parents end up with few heads chopped off, bureaucratic heads.
Mentality of a "western" European knave has spoken - authorities are always right! They have to have a good reason for their actions.
taking children form their parents is a radical measure not to be taken lightly, seems in Norway it is a standard, everyday response.
Norway authorities have a history of abducting children from their parents. In the 50' they used to take children from Gypsies, about 70% of girls taken from their parents have been sterilized.
This country doesn't strike me as a very tolerant place.
is just silly. so are you saying that unless a child has Norwegian parents, they are not entitled to state protection from violent alcoholic parents?
Sure roz, move to Norway and **** off a neighbor and see how fast your children are gone based on one phone call with false allegations.
I think atmosphere in Norway would improve if a few hundred thoued of refugees from Muslim countries moved there, they would see how taking children off parents end up with few heads chopped off, bureaucratic heads.
So the usual story - poor "Eastern" European parents claim that they did nothing wrong, but everyone knows that they were beating the child or worse.
Mentality of a "western" European knave has spoken - authorities are always right! They have to have a good reason for their actions.
taking children form their parents is a radical measure not to be taken lightly, seems in Norway it is a standard, everyday response.
Ironside
18 Sep 2015
News / Pole-basher Gross up to old tricks [284]
You surly mean verified accounts.
All what Poles hear are very laud voices of those Jews who are accusing Poles of things. Maybe it is time for those other Jews to step up and tell those of their compatriots who behave disregardful to shut it?
Otherwise it is easer to blame the whole lot!
Valid recounts
You surly mean verified accounts.
Don't blame all Jews for the missdeeds of some
All what Poles hear are very laud voices of those Jews who are accusing Poles of things. Maybe it is time for those other Jews to step up and tell those of their compatriots who behave disregardful to shut it?
Otherwise it is easer to blame the whole lot!
Ironside
18 Sep 2015
News / Russia threatens Poland over monument [33]
Doing that they would break international agreement. If government in Poland would hit back at Russia its possible in few areas. So, I think Russia should watch out not too push to hard.
Poland may not like it but Poland acts according to agreement from 1994.
They should melt them and before that p..h on it! He was murdering Polish heroes from AK (Home Army) that lying soviet thug.
Cause you know knowing Crow. Russia is not needed in miedzymorze.
Russia? Easy. They could simply make sure that no-one visits Katyń.
Doing that they would break international agreement. If government in Poland would hit back at Russia its possible in few areas. So, I think Russia should watch out not too push to hard.
Poland may not like it but Poland acts according to agreement from 1994.
What's particularly annoying the Russians is the way that the Poles go about it.
They should melt them and before that p..h on it! He was murdering Polish heroes from AK (Home Army) that lying soviet thug.
Polish-Russian relationship reminds me of children`s play. T
Cause you know knowing Crow. Russia is not needed in miedzymorze.
Ironside
18 Sep 2015
News / Russia threatens Poland over monument [33]
What they gonna do? Stop export of apples from Poland? Oh, too late they have done it months ago. They can kiss their own butts.
What they gonna do? Stop export of apples from Poland? Oh, too late they have done it months ago. They can kiss their own butts.
Ironside
18 Sep 2015
News / Russia threatens Poland over monument [33]
It is done and dusted, should have been done a long time ago.
It is done and dusted, should have been done a long time ago.
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
UK, Ireland / Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested [36]
You were a toddler back then, your conclusion based on some photographs is funny.
Clearly you're choosing to ignore the lawlessness of the early 90's.
You were a toddler back then, your conclusion based on some photographs is funny.
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
News / Pole-basher Gross up to old tricks [284]
He is writing stories people want to hear. He belongs to ideology that claims that gender is a question of perspective, differences between men and women a socials artificial construct of patriarchal restrictive society and the truth do not exists.
What harm is there in writing fairy stories about evil Poles if that what people what to hear because they feel that way.
Therefore, says Gross, Poles killed 160-210 thousand Jews... this is horseshyt, not any research. Dude is not "a Polish historian researching dark chapters of Polish history" but a friggin David Duke of Polonophobia.
He is writing stories people want to hear. He belongs to ideology that claims that gender is a question of perspective, differences between men and women a socials artificial construct of patriarchal restrictive society and the truth do not exists.
What harm is there in writing fairy stories about evil Poles if that what people what to hear because they feel that way.
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
UK, Ireland / Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested [36]
Oh Harry you got me I do not have criminal mind like you. I stand by my conclusion murderers should be hanged.
Oh Harry you got me I do not have criminal mind like you. I stand by my conclusion murderers should be hanged.
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
UK, Ireland / Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested [36]
Maybe because I would rather talk about facts than deal with what if scenario ....
I note that you have completely ignored the point about their likely actions with regard to anybody who they suspected might tell the British police about them, I wonder why.
Maybe because I would rather talk about facts than deal with what if scenario ....
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
News / Pole-basher Gross up to old tricks [284]
Scholar? If Brothers Grimm were scholars ......no not even then.
scholar
Scholar? If Brothers Grimm were scholars ......no not even then.
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
UK, Ireland / Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested [36]
Are you for real? More expensive that keep that guy alive for next 30 years, with guards and all .... hemp rope and a tree, not that expensive..
If they would resists arrest, why that would make it simpler, shot them on the spot.
Didn't I explain properly that alleged benefits of the EU membership are not that beneficial as them seems to be.
No, execution is too expensive and is not a deterrent to murderers (
Are you for real? More expensive that keep that guy alive for next 30 years, with guards and all .... hemp rope and a tree, not that expensive..
If the Poles who murdered this woman knew that death awaited them, they would have zero reason to not fight to the death when the British police tried to arrest them
If they would resists arrest, why that would make it simpler, shot them on the spot.
For a start people who live in Poland see the massive benefits of EU membership.
Didn't I explain properly that alleged benefits of the EU membership are not that beneficial as them seems to be.
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
UK, Ireland / Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested [36]
Hang him.
It would be a good idea to leave the EU as well, as he is recent arrival , high on drugs and booze I suspect. Seems to me that being in the EU and terrible governance of Poland results in producing more and more thugs with problems and a sense of entailment, soon Poland will be on a par with western Europe in the number of rabble without morals and integrity in a society.
Hanging murderers would be a good stat to re introduce order.
Hang him.
It would be a good idea to leave the EU as well, as he is recent arrival , high on drugs and booze I suspect. Seems to me that being in the EU and terrible governance of Poland results in producing more and more thugs with problems and a sense of entailment, soon Poland will be on a par with western Europe in the number of rabble without morals and integrity in a society.
Hanging murderers would be a good stat to re introduce order.
Ironside
17 Sep 2015
News / Pole-basher Gross up to old tricks [284]
Lyzko do you understand what I'm typing to you? It seems that all goes over your head. What research there is not research nor any evidence, all there is Gross's narrative, fiction. Like you Jews say - grandma story instead baloney - am I right?
So Gross book is a kind of grandma story put into writing. You got it now?
That is your theory. Well, you might be right to some extend because many people out there believe in a concept of the truth. Something which is founded on facts, verifiable facts, to do that one has special procedures and tools, scientific tools at his disposal and is able to provided result of proper application of said tools.
What I'm telling you again and again that Gross failed to do so.
The problem may lay in a fact that Jews in American (at least )have a certain mythology build into art that all the people where out there to get them, and Poles were among them as well, this myth circulated for decades and now wherever Poles try to set the record straight are being seen as in being in denial.
Indeed, and it is even more important for people who are open to fact the truth whatever it looks like without excuses and prejudice. To do that facts, evidence and research need to be implied promptly. Forensic evidence in Jedwabne should be examined.
Well, neither Poles who face prosecution, lost of propriety, ethnics cleansing, mass expulsion and genocide, didn't see a penny of compensation, after the war those who were heroes of resistance were often tortured shot in the back of their head and put in the ditches by the soviet regime. to be forgotten.
Why should those people or their progeny compel to pay anything to anybody?
Perception that Poles in mass were enriching themselves by installing themselves on propriety of Jewish victims is false, that property belonged to the III Reich and nobody would be able to touch it without dire repercussions.
There is case of one Soviet official who perpetrated in such crimes guilty of murdering about 1000 (more or less) people who after 1989 went to Israel and Israel refused to extradite him. I can under presumption and law they operate under but that particular action is seen by some people as an evidence of evil Jews condoning mass murder of people as loon as their are not Jews.
In the light of above I think reasonable people who really want to get to the bottom of things should be working together.
There is not such a myth Lyzko. People who are interested in the issue know very well that all those money extorted in the name of victims are being appropriated on its way by shady characters, those gangster who run shady deal of blackmail, lies and lobbing and they have been exposed for that.
The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering)Norman Gary Finkelstein
If you would like to read scientific book about Jedwabne here - Chodakowski M. The Massacre in Jedwabne, July 10, 1941: Before, During, After, Columbia University Press and East European Monographs,
About property restitution here - Restytucja: The Problems of Property Restitution in Poland (1939-2001) I think available on line.
ronside, do YOU understand the meaning of historical revisionism?? Of course the Poles don't want Gross' research
Lyzko do you understand what I'm typing to you? It seems that all goes over your head. What research there is not research nor any evidence, all there is Gross's narrative, fiction. Like you Jews say - grandma story instead baloney - am I right?
So Gross book is a kind of grandma story put into writing. You got it now?
Decent thinking people, TRUE Christians, not Sunday churchgoers, be they Poles, Germans, Hungarians, whatever, believe that such things that happened were wrong.
That is your theory. Well, you might be right to some extend because many people out there believe in a concept of the truth. Something which is founded on facts, verifiable facts, to do that one has special procedures and tools, scientific tools at his disposal and is able to provided result of proper application of said tools.
What I'm telling you again and again that Gross failed to do so.
The problem may lay in a fact that Jews in American (at least )have a certain mythology build into art that all the people where out there to get them, and Poles were among them as well, this myth circulated for decades and now wherever Poles try to set the record straight are being seen as in being in denial.
Sadly too, there are others among our tribe who seek to profit from both the ignorance and suffering of others. This is the real shame here!
Indeed, and it is even more important for people who are open to fact the truth whatever it looks like without excuses and prejudice. To do that facts, evidence and research need to be implied promptly. Forensic evidence in Jedwabne should be examined.
I might add at this point that more than half of all Holocaust survivors never saw as much as a penny in compensation aka restitution!
Well, neither Poles who face prosecution, lost of propriety, ethnics cleansing, mass expulsion and genocide, didn't see a penny of compensation, after the war those who were heroes of resistance were often tortured shot in the back of their head and put in the ditches by the soviet regime. to be forgotten.
Why should those people or their progeny compel to pay anything to anybody?
Perception that Poles in mass were enriching themselves by installing themselves on propriety of Jewish victims is false, that property belonged to the III Reich and nobody would be able to touch it without dire repercussions.
There is case of one Soviet official who perpetrated in such crimes guilty of murdering about 1000 (more or less) people who after 1989 went to Israel and Israel refused to extradite him. I can under presumption and law they operate under but that particular action is seen by some people as an evidence of evil Jews condoning mass murder of people as loon as their are not Jews.
In the light of above I think reasonable people who really want to get to the bottom of things should be working together.
herefore, the myth of the "sneaky Jews" en masse enriching themselves from their suffering's a bunch of hogwash not to mention a particularly venal slur.
There is not such a myth Lyzko. People who are interested in the issue know very well that all those money extorted in the name of victims are being appropriated on its way by shady characters, those gangster who run shady deal of blackmail, lies and lobbing and they have been exposed for that.
The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering)Norman Gary Finkelstein
If you would like to read scientific book about Jedwabne here - Chodakowski M. The Massacre in Jedwabne, July 10, 1941: Before, During, After, Columbia University Press and East European Monographs,
About property restitution here - Restytucja: The Problems of Property Restitution in Poland (1939-2001) I think available on line.