Food / Expats' Polish food favourites [140]

Decidedly! They also used to treat me with all their cakes and pastries, especially those with poppy-seed, but I'm unable to remember all of those ;-) Anyway! Gorzoła! ;-)

Food / Expats' Polish food favourites [140]

Ah, Gliwice ;-) Since I don't live in Silesia, I love the roladki ;-)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

She did. Don't ask me how. (Patriots, not nationalists). One of the sons served under Gen. Anders and the other in the English Army, during WWII.

Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Seanus! First of all, I completely misread you before. You simply said ketchup had been an American invention, didn't you? I simply misinterpreted your words and am extremely sorry for it.

Second thing, and I am red in my face now since I was giving some non-verified facts. Accept my apologies, Seanus...

1. The Heinz ketchup and the Pudliszki ketchup, both presumably made in Pudliszki, Krobia, Poland, are not the same ketchups at all.
Heinz: No starch added, 1320 grams of fresh tomato per 1 kilogram of ketchup;
Pudliszki: Starch added, 1930 grams of fresh tomato per 1 kilogram of ketchup.
Meaning, more tomato in Pudliszki, zero starch in Heinz. As I have been able to check, Heinz is the only "true" ketchup available in Poland, meaning, no starch thickener.

2. It is not clear where Heinz Ketchup is really made. The label reads: "Your comments are to be send to the producer: Pudliszki..." but there is no clear message such as "Made in Poland".

Heinz

Pudliszki

Sorry, Seanus!
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USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Let us not forget about Princess Daisy of Pless, Englishwoman married to the Duke Heinrich von Pless, the latter being a caricature of a German at the times of WWI. Daisy did not accept her husband involvement in WWI (he hosted the German General Staff for almost whole WWI) and herself being English, she demonstrated her views publicly. That ended badly for Daisy, Heinrich divorced her and let her die in poverty and oblivion, yet she was able to raise her two sons to be great Polish patriots.

Pszczyna is today the capital of Green Upper Silesia and has been Polish since the end of WWI.

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youtube.com/watch?v=6xukxdw9j2k
Banana... Boat, it is almost magical that Americans can unite and say "us" while remaining so wonderfully diversified. While Poles can only cram Aleje Jerozolimskie with funeral candles and not clean the street the day after so other Poles swear while trying to park their cars.

By the way, I have to unsay my words about potential fate of Penny in Upper Silesia if he dared to mention "Silesian Germans". Silesian are fantastic people. If Penny mentioned "Silesian Germans", even those Silesians who cannot speak German at all (and there are many of them) would grin at Penny and start speaking German. Moreover, they would start singing Nazi songs! You know why, Penny? Because Silesians, after hundreds of years being told they were Poles, German, Czech, developed contrary sense of humour. "You don't want admit we are Silesians? Then we'll show you you are RIGHT!" ;-) On the other hand, if you were a German, Penny, and told Silesian they were Poles, they would start singing 'Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła' instantly :D


You know nothing Penny. The only Germans in Poland live in Opole area.

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Yeah, Lodz, point taken. I could only say GuessWho as a non-Polam American has a deep sense of identification with her own nation. This makes her say "us" and I would absolutely accept that since this is the American cultural specialty.

So different to us, Poles, because "where two Poles, there three opinions", the voters split 50/50, and the "silent majority" does not vote at all but the Polonia votes for them... ;-)


This is why they left Poland.


Even if, it is the Poland's Poles who vote because they will take consequences of their choice for next 4 years.


The ethnic matter played no role until Mr Jaroslaw denounced Silesians and Kashubians as crypto-Germans. And this only happened now.

Edit: DID YOU WRITE "SILESIAN GERMANS"? Penny, you would be annihilated in Upper Silesia for saying that. No, you are definitely not any expert in Polish matters.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Yeah, Lodz, point taken. I could only say GuessWho as a non-Polam American has a deep sense of identification with her own nation. This makes her say "us" and I would absolutely accept that since this is the American cultural specialty.

So different to us, Poles, because "where two Poles, there three opinions", the voters split 50/50, and the "silent majority" does not vote at all but the Polonia votes for them... ;-)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Could you please talk for *yourself*, Banana? Sorry, Boat.
I have already told you we are both Polish but do not think the same.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Patrycja, I sympathize with you regarding your Grandma. I have already lost both of my parents so I know what it means.

We have to read those paragraphs very carefully, Pat.

What I see from the first paragraph: When my friend Julian (this is true story) went in the US, he held his Polish passport, his PolBrit wife held a British passport, her Finnish daughter held a Finnish passport. Now, they lived in the US on green card for long time and their son was born in the United States. So Julian's son can legally keep the US passport and apply for Polish passport, true. However, if Julian gets naturalized (or got naturalized), he will held US passport because of his naturalization and he can keep his Polish passport because Poland does not recognize citizenship renunciation.

Julian told me a quite funny story. They all went to Canada and on the return, the US clerk looked into that family's passports...

-- Well... A Polish, a British, a Finnish and a little American boy... are you sure you are a family? ;-)

I think the renouncing citizenship and restoring it that you mention are about the US citizenship.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Could you read the below, Pat, slowly?


From your link:


Can you see the double standard here? U.S. naturalized citizen has to renounce his/her previous citizenship. However, Poland does not recognize such renunciation. But she should, so Poland would be like the US. Your opinion?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Exactly! You only visited Poland 7 times over 20 years but you didn't share living in Poland. Yet you believe you are an expert on Polish matters.

Guessie, thank you for answering. The point is: Someone pointed out that 80% of US Polonia voters chose a presidential candidate in Poland while the same candidate lost his votes in Poland. A Polish American can read:

1. We will put an end to corruption and theft! We will take away the property from Commie traitors who destroyed the economy here and stole what they could, etc, etc.

2. We will build highways and will fight for responsible Poland.

The programme (1) sounds good on your PC screen and the programme (2) sounds unimpressive. Who would you chose only by media info? The one with more attractive programme, right? Who in the US can understand how terrible our Polish roads have been? However, "stopping corruption & theft, revenge Commies" is like honey for a Polish American. Many of them, at least.

Now, the voters in Poland chose the practical way: bettering the life, and they have been sick with the results of the previous government/President.

Now, you can see the difference between living THERE and living HERE, OK?


If she lived most of her life in the US? How could she vote in Poland's matters? What does she now about today's Poland?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


I've been to the US 3 times. Do I qualify as an American?

Patrycja, it is somewhat hard to me to get your point. Of what I have understood:

-- My opinion is my own opinion but I wanted to gather other opinions, including yours;
-- There is no doubt Polonia everywhere helped Poland in hard times. Have you, however, noticed that now, when the times are not so hard, there is significant polarization of views, making types A and B?

-- Can we leave the Nostradamus thing aside?
-- I believe there is grace period in the US, so the new applicant has some time between receiving the green card and saying the oath to become a new US citizen, therefore, the applicant can learn something about the US?

-- In fact, I have forgotten about PolOzzies (which I corrected later). I mentioned both PolAms and PolCans in my original post. PolBrits can travel to Poland easily now.

I'd just want to tell you my Dad was a PolOzzie for 6 years in 1950's.


You misunderstood me. Would you vote for President of Chile or Mexico only based on media information but not living in Chile or Mexico yourself? And please do not say for others. The question was personally directed to you. "Would you...?"

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Guessie, I believe you are an American (not a PolAm). Tell me,
1. If you could, would you attempt to vote for a foreign politician only knowing his political programme from the media and not living in the distant country?

2. Given you immigrated to some distant country, would you stick to American enclaves or try to melt with your new country-people? (given the country were decent and safe?)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

The most important are clear Rules; and the Sponshorship Plan, Al. The technicalities are a trifle.

I wonder if Steelarmored would trade 24 cans of beer for the right to say anything he pleases. And probably warszawski would prefer saving the money for his family -- which I support very much.


True and false. People Type A come to Poland from time to time and I meet them. People Type B have no reason to come to Poland as to the most hopeless place in the world.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

For the Type B, absolutely, yes. I love the Type A people, though.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Meaning you would not pay $20 per annum to support your views? It is very important since I'm making a business-plan for the PF owner right now.

Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]


!!!
Stu... I wouldn't be surprised. My weak memory tells me the Czechs used to make excellent mayonnaise and it could be Hellmanns!


Seanus, you are a nice and wise man, making it very hard to me say that you are not always right. Forgive me?

I had been eating the Pudliszki Ketchup long before Heinz set their foot there. Pudliszki Ketchup always tasted perfectly. After Heinz started their production there, two brands are available from Pudliszki: Heinz and Pudliszki. Both are excellent. Not necessarily made in the same production line, and may be different with spice but the declared composition on both products is identical.

Pudliszki factory exists since 1847, making ketchup since 1927. What "experience" are you talking about?

It makes me want to drive to the shop, buy both and give them a blind test ;-)
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Not to concentrate on Ketchup, I will tell you something on Turek camembert cheese (the round one). The original product is Czech, and the name is "Hermelin - Kral Syru" (Hermelin - The King of Cheese). The Polish took the license and started making it just on our side of the border as "Sekret Mnicha" (Monk's Secret), and later the production was moved to Turek. Why "Sekret Mnicha"? The Polish advertisement agency to handle the product campaign believed "Król Serów" would not pass in Poland. So they made the internal contest and "Sekret Mnicha" won. This is a story from my brother-in-law who participated in the campaign himself.

Meaning, if you fry Turek in crumbs, flour and egg, several layers, you'll get the Czech Smazeny Hermelin ;-)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Would you afford US$20 yearly to be still able write stuff like this?

*Now the story of Harry/Delphiandomine vs. PennBoy has fully become clear to me. Thank you my PM correspondent, I have my own eyes.*

Type B. OK, two of type B identified. Next, please?

Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Seanus, please slow down.


"Presently belonging to the American Heinz group being major shareholder".

I can assure you Heinz produce there.


Seanus, please... Heard of "globalization"?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Type A or B, Bzibzioh?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Meaning Poland's Poles are not patriotic? How interesting. Type A or B, Penny?
Additional question: Would you come to Poland to die for Poland if Mr Kaczyński declared war against, let us say, Ukraine?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Lodz, I have asked about the governing Law here very early, not after couple of years ;-)


Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in 1919, what's the matter? That he made a one-year mistake?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland-Czechoslovakia_war

Now you tell me hubacośtam what you could not found.

Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Seanus, I'm terribly sorry to correct you. Heinz owns the Pudliszki factory and they produce there, both their own brand and the Pudliszki brand.

Besides, they make the HP Sauce (you know that English sauce) in Holland.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Who's that? ;-)


But this is... an American Forum, based on the law of the state of NJ and the US Federal Law, and now listen "'cause I won't repeat again" - the next forum is just a click away /Vincent van Gogh/ ;-)

Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Polish Pride, peterweg ;-)

heinz.com/our-food/products/pudliszki.aspx

Watch the domain and the product ;)

Both Heinz and Pudliszki Ketchups are made at the same facility in Pudliszki, Poland ;)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

I can only tell you, Alex, if I met the owner of PF and we had a couple together, Mods here would be evicted, the Sponsorship system would be improved and it would pay the new engine, and you would be very happy to be here. The Sponsorship price might be negotiated and be on the scale of Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum ;-)

Back to our mutt... PolAms!

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Will you finally stop beating up your wife, Des Essientes? YES or NO?
Your cheap eristic does not work on me, and I used to read Schopenhauer when you probably had your diapers changed ;-)

Softsong has just suggested a free separate section on PF just to have the controversial threads separated and not so visible to new users. It would be good if that would be one single section for grouping the "hot" threads. Nowadays, these are spread over the whole forum. Moreover, the new posts of such kind should not be made so visible in the news feed as they are today. I'd even say the political/religion section might allow unlimited insults and derogatory language, because the users would get bored with that very soon. If you allow unlimited freedom of speech, you cannot make any exceptions, also calling Mods this or that or using profane language.With unlimited freedom of speech, Moderators are redundant and not needed.

However, the idea of Sponsorship to participate in Political/Religion subject is not only new, it simply works elsewhere on American forums. Because (1) It has proven its effectiveness (2) Gives good income to the service owner, and the political/religion disputants are the most eager to pay for expressing their views. It is not forbidden by law, either.

I really think the service owner should think about it in order not to be backwards as his colleagues from different services already do it.

SIDENOTE: Most of Polish forums with ownership in Poland explicitly forbid any racial, nationalist, hate spreading, etc. discussions because the Polish Law says so.

Come on, Alex, I paid my Sponsorship elsewhere just to have my own AVATAR ;)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

More on Sponsorhip:


A quote from an American forum.

"Free" does not mean "cost-free", DE. There are no free lunches either.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


We call such types "The Neostrada Kids".