News / EU tribunal overrules Polish name contest in Lithuania [150]

Just a question: What about people who use Cyrilic alphabet and are a minority, let say in Poland. Are they allowed to have their names written the original way or are transformed into Latin alphabet used in Poland?

I hear whispers saying that it is different than the case of Polish minority in Lithuania. Ok, in what way?
*goes to sleep still hearing whispers* ;)

News / EU tribunal overrules Polish name contest in Lithuania [150]

Sokrates's solution: Bomb the two countries and sow the wheat there. Everyone will profit. No, leave a few to sow and gather the wheat.

*gets enriched, slowly, but surely, with Sokrates's wisdom*

History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]


The Poles were being given birth in Ukraine at that time; then sprung up and moved to the west to push Germans as everyone had enough of them here:)


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture


;) Danzig was built by the Germanic tribes. If it was built by the Poles, they would have managed to create a decent fleet able to defend it. As of 16th century you still swam on rafts.

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


I have no doubt about it :)

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


Many think that Poland was the only or major target of OUN or UPA. No, it wasn't. Today, when I honor UPA soldiers I even don't think of Poles. For me and many others UPA = anti-Soviet resistance.


This is what UPA is for the Ukrainians: people who fought for our independance, for the Ukrainians who were killed in Holodomor. Polish casualties were a consequence of the interwar repressions mostly on the Wolyn population whose lands was taken by Polish osadniks, kids were deprived of education and any perspectives, family members died in prisons, homes destroyed by the war...

What each side should remember instead of arguing about UPA and AK, AL and who killed whom and how brutal it was (fairytales of the Soviets), this is what it was basically about:


Something to think about.


Gumishu, could you elaborate on that one?


I understand that you might be angry with the way Greece pulls the whole EU down with its lazy politics and economy and that maybe it would be better off under the boot of some other country, but give a bit of credit to yourself.

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


I just had a Polish kid for lunch. Yummi :) That anger-juice makes the meat more palatable.


Would you consider Croatia a winner after losing 7.5 milion people?! You would seize to exist. We paid dearly in that damn war - the consequences are still felt.


It used too, not anymore. The forum is just a way to find the truth or at least some middle-ground between the two. It is impossible, but we have to try.


Maaarysia, go already and tell your friends. How many times are you going to repeat it? I am tired to hold goose-bumps on my skin ;)

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


And this is what Josef Biss and his Polish army did:


orthodoxbeacon.com/world/orthodox-prayer-at-66th-anniversary-of-the-tragedy-in-sahryn/

Olga Basarab - a Ukrainian woman, political activist: arrested on accusations of spying, tortured and murdered by Poles in 1924:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olha_Basarab

Bereza Kartuska Concentration Camp - hundreds of Ukrainians died, thousands tortured in 1934-1939. Many who were in this Polish camp became the leaders of UPA later on.

Jaworzno - Polish concentration camp:


naukowy.pl/encyklopedia/Partyzanckie_walki_polsko-ukrai%C5%84skie_w_latach_1944-1945

Roman Kisiel - leader of Polish Chlopski Battalion:

Those are the places and number of Ukrainians murdered by this battalion according to Polish sources.
What is interesting, the literature presented as a source can be found in the following Polish sources:


- translation: "Remembrance and Justice" - so, this is your justice?


- trans.: "Without a uniform we are soldiers 1939-1944" - yes, you are, indeed.
And the list of these brutal murders is endless.

In regards to Józef Biss - he was exonerated by the Polish court in 1991:

How is that? Where is your justice? You jump around on Bandera, why not start with Biss?

Let's come to the conclusion that both sides did atrocities, both sides were equally barbaric in many cases and both sides regard the actions justified: "because you started first and we retaliated blah-blah-blah", "we just closed your libraries, burnt churches and prevented you from getting jobs and live like humans and you, bastards, killed our women and kids; how brutal you are against our civilized actions". It is a pointless conversation because you don't want to accept the guilt of BOTH. I do. If you don't and start putting me "first started" BS, then there is no point in continuing.


I don't deny as I don't deny monstruous Polish atrocities committed on Ukrainian civilians. Jozef Biss taught me something and I hope Bandera taught you something. You are reasonable and oftentime we have no trouble to find a common language.

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


What kids and women? Whenever you get your ar*ses kicked, you immediately put "kids and women". Oh, and old men. Local people had enough of Polish barbarism and dealt accordingly. It is amazing how some people like you manage to even make victims of themselves under given circumstances.


This is all I am after: to teach. If you need additional lectures, let me know.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


We love our Francis ll :)

History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]


The Soviets were not sure about the so-called victory and put two flags: the red and the white (in case of defeat - to show their giving-up and not be shot at). From the street it looked like a Polish flag.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

I found a funny incident from the Napoleonic times:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Greek_Catholic_Church
:)

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


What about them? You don't like Bandera? What about Bereza Kartuska Concentration camp? Do you like it? Policies of Sanation and Pacification? Destruction of churches and libraries by Poles? Exclusion of the autochtone population from politics, education, offices? That is what you like. I know. Well, Bandera showed you what it is like and I hope this taught you something.


There is an interesting eye-witness testimony by lieutenant von Bogenhardt (about Aug.1, 1939). Here is an excerpt:


Hmm...


This is what Poles where doing in occupied Vilnius and Lviv. I am not though sorry that I don't recognize that artificial majority.


Note-worthy is the fact that this forceful occupation was especially severe in Volyn' region. It led to some consequences.


And how was it decided in Lithuania, Ukraine and Czech republic? Also by poll? Or by sending the army all over the place ;) and then crying that "we were attacked by everyone". Poor creatures, I really pity you.


The following fact seemingly didn't bother Poles:




All these lands had 65% Ukrainian majority. There were cities like Sanok, Jaroslaw, Cieszanow, Brzozow, Peremyshel..., which are now in Poland. So, you robbed us of all these lands! Did you ask the majority where they want to be? Nope. It is only when Poles are majority the voting counts, right?


Your hobby is not architecture. You just like being a ridiculous, that's all. Lovers of architecture travel the world, enjoy and study the works of the past and present. Find a man and let him giving you a heartbreak.


You don't need to apologize. Nobody gives a damn about your apology.


So, was it basically Poles led by hetman Khmelnicky fighting against Ukrainian magnats? Interesting.


Can you elaborate on this one?


Are you calling me a moron?


And what is there now? Monoculturalism?! Union? With whom? ;) Who needs you?


Ouch! No need, though. We will be there when we are ready and accepted by more persuasive voices :)

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


This is resembling what Polish generals were saying in August 1939 when threatening Germany. Next month it was over in 3 weeks ;)


Trust me, for Poles there will always be enough :)


Haven't you had tanks in 1940s? Oh, I forgot, you still used horses like in the WWI :)


We already talked about it - in 1 year Poland was kicked from the Dnieper to Peremyshel by our army made mostly of peasants with scythes and sticks :)


You definitely need protection, wussy ;) Have you ever fought alone? No. Even in the commonwealth used the Lithuanian help to wage wars.


Good point, Harry. More mouth than courage.


It was signed for 25 years and currently multiple parties protest and demand to rescind the agreement as it goes against the Constitution.


Absolutely. I think as soon as the internal problem is solved - the green light for economy is set and normal development can be revived.


I agree, warszawski, and corruption.

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


You are welcome, rybnik.


Warszawski, you said many true things in regards to the problems we face, but the last one is a total lie. And this is not your fault. The Center of Social and Marketing research "Соціс" published report in April 2011 on the poll where the Ukrainian citizens were asked:

1.) Whether they support independance of the western region of Ukraine and Donbas (coal-rich region of the east)

Results: only 2% supported independance of these regions;

2.) Ukraine to remain unitary or become a federation?

5% support of the federation;
In addition to that eastern region Donbas now supports by 25% the aspirations to join EU, which was unheard of a few years before. And this is understandable since more service oriented western Lviv and Carpathian oblasts (administrative units) outperformed the heavy industrial regions of the east.

Another poll taken from 17 to 26 of March 2011 among the inhabitants of Lviv - the center of western part of Ukraine and the center of my heart :) - whether they support the separation of their region from Ukraine:

85% - against the separation;
6% - undecided (zombies);
6% - kinda support the idea and only 3% support it 100%;
The poll was performed by the Social group "Рейтинг".
Warszawski, you quote a Sevastopol newspaper which is filled with Russian dreamt-up stuff. You better off picking some recognized national source, not the city where temporarily is located Russian fleet. The fairytales they'll write are simply funny.

Here is a photo from Lviv demonstration in regards to separatism:

Another thing about Ukraine one might want to know: western and central regions are highly nationalistic and will rip apart any chauvinistic Pole, Romanian or Russian; eastern will do the same, but, probably, spare a Russian as*shole. So, trust me, there is no other feelings besides business with Poland or Romania and no one wants to belong to anyone, except some usual minorities movements.


That is total crap! A. Gritsenko is one of the most respectful politicians in Ukraine, though his party currently has only around 2% of the votes. The Russian newspaper of Sevastopol would turn around the meaning of what he said 180 degrees. In fact, he ridiculed the way Russian patriarch didn't honor to visit any of the Russian regions, but came to the "South-western territorial district of RF", indicating the sphere of influence still present in that part of Ukraine. It didn't say anything about Ukraine as a whole - just go to the original blog of Gritsenko.


Sure, and again you will be running around Europe with Institute of National Memory counting the fallen by the so-called "rezuny" ;)


That's not really the case. Check the travel schedules of the Russian PM and their patriarch Kiril for the last 6 months. They come over so frequently and beg to get into the economic commonwealth with them on a 3-1 basis, where Ukraine is as if a part of it, but mostly independent to make its own decisions. The 3 others are usual suspects: Russia, Belorus and Kazakhstan. The politicians which one calls pro-Russian are not interested in losing their business interests inside the country and give it up to become nobody in the Russian world. So, even they will unwillingly still be on our side of the border, figuratively speaking.

Nowadays, miriads of pointless issues and debates are raised to keep people away from getting angry with the lame economy and corrupt government. It is only a matter of time when the opposing sides which argue for stupid things realize that their enemy is the butchers in the capital, which have to be removed and replaced with young politicians.

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


Great question.
There is a sequence of factors which resulted in slow economical development of Ukraine nowadays:
Ukraine was occupied by Russia and Poland since 1667. Revolts of 1648-54 and 1768 were brutaly suppressed by the two. When finally the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empire collapsed and Ukraine declared its independance Polish and Russian armies again ravaged the country and tore it apart: Poland occupied its western part, Russia - eastern. Both made sure the word "Ukrainian" and "education" or "political activity" don't mix together. Poland closed Ukrainian schools, burnt Churches, openned concentration camp for Ukrainian nationalists. The Russians under Stalin murdered 6 million Ukrainians by Holodomor and executed thousands during forced collectivization in 1928-1931. Came the WWII. Ukraine lost 7.5 million people (3 million soldiers). The rest one can say both Poland and Ukraine followed the same path, except: Poland was not part of the USSR, had its own currency, borrowed huge amounts of money from the West, had Polish as official language, haven't had people singing songs, writing scientific works in native language called nationalists and incarcerated. I remember watching Polish TV caught by the ladder-like antenna as something foreign and with more interesting things than 3-channel Soviet BS with its on and on glorification of a "big brother".

One might say Ok, Nathan, you whiny d*ck, you had 20 years, for Christ sake! Look at Poland! I saw Poland and I am amazed. Your roads, economy and other stuff is uncomparably better. In Ukraine a lot changed from what it was in 1991, a lot remained unchanged. The historical background I've shown made something that still tortures the country: those millions Ukrainians who died in Holodomor and during the war were replaced with Russian citizens who after independance were, unfortunately, given Ukrainian passports. Now, those are part of the fifth column, which does everything and I mean EVERYTHING possible to undermine the country. They don't care to compare the European and Russian lifestyle. They'll die to live like pigs as long as a pigsty is named in Russian. Quite literaly. They constantly have problems with the flag, with the anthem, with the past. Officially, there around 18% Russians having Ukrainian passports and despising the country where those as*holes were born in. But when told to get the fcuk off from here, they go into obscenities I even don't want to repeat. Another part of the society are Ukrainians who were Russified to the point they lost their roots to the point that they are neither Ukrainians, nor Russians. They are mankurts, homo sovieticus which still live in their minds in the SU.

Another huge problem is corruption. This eats away the reconstruction of roads, infrastructure development, health, wages, spendings of regular people. It is heart-breaking. What can I say?!

So, all this time the fight goes not for the sake of the developing Ukraine as a European economic entity, but to find the common language while the politicians use the situation to steal the budget and spit in the face of both.

It will take more years for that to change. Euro2012 will have a huge impact on the country. A bit over the half of the population made already their choice for the West, but it is now for time and economical recovery to wake up the rest for the real progress to start.

Genealogy / Do you think all Slavs are white? [178]

Look, but are not in reality. Purity of whiteness is only noticeable in the Eastern Slavs. The exception are Polish (not sure of their centrality or easternity) - they are dirty white.


What kind of pride to cover one's face? These are morons.

History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]


And if someone makes retarded people angry, then the person has to be a moron squared. *Lithuania is close to Poland and languages are important*

Genealogy / Do you think all Slavs are white? [178]


That's a great idea for a parade :)

Genealogy / Do you think all Slavs are white? [178]


Normal people ;)

Genealogy / Do you think all Slavs are white? [178]

I think only the Eastern Slavs are noble white. The rest are a mess of white tinges, second sort white.

History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]


I hate dumb tourists from Poland. If you are dumb, why travel? Stay at home and learn your fifth language. Lithuanians seem to have more patience than I do.


You see, it would have been worth it. But it is difficult for those who speak four languages - it might have caused her a stroke.

History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]


It is not about square mileage. It is about how many soldiers can you gather for a single decisive battle. It wasn't like today that you have to defend every centimeter from illegal crossing. Nobody defended the fields. Therefore, they build castles and they were the strongholds. An enemy could enter your territory with no immediate answer from you. The sieges were frequent occurances. So, it didn't mean that Poland had to spread its army all over the territory. The numbers carry the importance. The land only when it is overly huge.

News / Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)? [157]


Your diplomacy is astounding, BB ;)

History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]


How addition of 7,000 fighters is not an improvement to a 33,000 army? I am not convinced a bit.


Lithuanians should have sided with the Teutons. Would Poland be defeated then?

History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]

Of course, if you increase your territory, you are running higher risks. You cannot have everything on the platter. But obviously it was more profitable than otherwise, right? Resources, land, people etc. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't happen.

History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]


Even if 7,000 out of 40,000 - it is a significant force even in battles which took place hundreds of years later when the armors began to play a more important role. It was 15%, Sokrates, to say that it was a sideshow is huge understatement.


I don't buy "saving" crap in the historical context. Whoever grabs the land later says: "Oh, we saved it from these or those villains", while the bastards are the invading force themselves. Everyone wants to save ;)

In regards to my statement of Polish annihilation I obviously overstated and Poland wouldn't evaporate. I don't know the exact numbers to argue here seriously.

Study / Is there racism in Poznan and hate crime against coloured people (students)? [59]


Just keep a gun handy :)

News / Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)? [157]


Tyson is from the US.

History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]


Total annihilation of Poland. Lithuania saved Poland. It was a smart move.

News / Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)? [157]


In Zn?