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Sokrates   
18 May 2011
Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]

anything is possible, but dont stop with the UK, its happening in the developed world the world over - i assume a list is not required.

Not really, it happens in a significant number of countries but thats not the world, not even the majority.

regardless of multiculturalism. Some may consider multiculturalism a degradation of society but remember its only that (in the worst case scenario) for one maybe two generations,

Rubbish, you got hundreds of thousands of third generation muslims screaming for Sharia law.

after that the immigrants offspring are predominantly UK, Americans, Spaniards or what ever by default.

Tell that to the negros inhabiting black-only ghettos in US.

They go to local schools

Local muslim schools that teach how Islam is the new way and f*ck everyone else for example?

Anyway straigt to the point, UK and US are prime examples of failure of the assimilation you describe, by now its a fairytale living in the heads of people like you, out on the streets its a different story.

Poland is much safer than say UK and i dont want dirty intolerant colored people setting up Mosques and promoting their backwards barbaric ways, most Poles dont feel as strongly as i do but luckily most are not in favor, especially the ones who were in UK, you're a rich country but minorities made it a dump.

You dont invite a bunch of monkeys and then bend over to accomodate them, and thats what UK did.
Sokrates   
18 May 2011
Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]

20 years ago gays couldnt marry etc etc friggen etc

In Poland they still can't, is it possible for you to consider that Poland evolves in a completely different direction or that what happening in Poland is evolution while whats happening in UK is degeneration?
Sokrates   
17 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

PS: Apropos Jawor...any news?

Yes and now, mr Pacak doesnt have any news himself but there's a guy in Poznań who has extensive archives and found something, he's going to e-mail the pictures and documents to me around this week.
Sokrates   
17 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

All this griping about wars never stops "business" or holding out the hands for money and support. Where is the pride in that?

Thats the problem BB, we hang on to our pride and never do business, Germans are shrewd and shameless businessmen and so are Jews, nothing wrong with that, seems us Poles only get to grips with the times recetly.

I can accept grumbling and mumbling and hostility but I have problems with that...If you really hate someone you don't take his money or make "business" with them.

But neither me nor Poles in general hate Germans (Jews is another thing alltogether) we might be resentfull, distrustfull and not like Germany much but then again Germany did try to wipe us out and when you look at it like that 65 years is VERY little time but no hate.

Notice i'm interested in things german, in Jawor i went to a Pole leading a polish history circle interested in german history of Jawor, i like you as a guy i'd gladly have a beer with you but dont expect us to love Germany only 65 years after you tried to off all of us, there's no hate here, at all but there's no love either.

And business needs to roll if we're to prosper.

Today Germany and Poland are about to get joint at the hip as France and Germany already are...where does that leave your death wishes??? ;)

Nowhere, my death wishes are directed towards 1945 Germany and live firmly in the "should have been" fairy land, i'm totally OK with modern Germany though they're still not our friends due to their revisionism but thats a personal opinion.

What would be the difference between you and a Nazi then?

I'd be more thorough.

Sorry, Sok, but I can't believe that you really mean what you are saying here. That sounds more like stirring sh*t.

I do an asston of trolling lately but at this point i'm at my absolutely honest side, IF the clock got turned and i got into say Joseph Stalins seat i'm reopen gas chambers and send every SS, NSDAP, Gestapo, Wechrmacht officer and soldier in untill german armed forces would be so much soap, then i'd run a nation wide investigation into all civilians active within the nazi party and gas them as well, give the f*ckers a taste of their own medicine.

I firmly believe that every german who willingly served the 3rd Reich deserved death.

Ps. just to clarify i dont hate Germans, i dont even hate WWII era Germany, i just believe that any self aware nation who attempts something like that deserves to have their nose wiped firmly in the litter box, example and warning go a long way.
Sokrates   
17 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

Indeed, the Franco-Prussian War saw them ravage and abuse France in ways that shocked civilized people everywhere but even that pales in comparison to their savagery in subsequent wars.

War aint fun, it can be glorious but is always horrible and both Germans and French and any other army can be, to some extent forgiven, such is war.

However when Germany invaded my country with the explicit intent of wiping out my people, my family included and then i get lectured by some foreign f*ck about how i should really respect the dead german soldiers who fought for the cause of wiping out everyone in Poland i can't help but feel the urge to kick the insolent piece of sh*t between his teeth.

I don't know about your Nazi extermination plan though. It would've caused even more misery and nations really never learn "lessons" that way anyhow.

F*ck misery, it would have beat the revisionist, racists tendencies out of Germany for good, even our little german BratwurstBoy, a smart likeable chap deep down is a revisionist twat who's only real grip with his nation is not that it acted like it did but that it lost, and thats true of most Germans.

So i believe after WWII Germany needed to have its balls removed via gassing everyone in uniform, civilian or military, they'd never start even thinking about revisionism after something like that.
Sokrates   
17 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

Again...for such a supposedly independent thinker you have bought all propaganda hook line and sinker!

Sorry BB in this case i believe in mass responsibility, much like what the Germans practiced towards civilian populations.

Your hate is disturbing nobody, the Germans at least, but only yourself...like a wound festering and stinking under the skin.

Oh come on dont be such a bloody revisionist, i don't hate Germans, why the flying feck would i be interested in pre-war history of this region? I view Germans of WWII era as a bunch of barbarians who needed but did not receive an extremely violent punishment that would serve as an example and warning.

After Germans started WWI and got spanked they didnt really get whats coming to them and got uppity and so started WWII, at this point i believe gassing your soldiers, policemen, activists and all other nazi supporters (which comprised something like a fifth of your nation) in the very gas chambers you had prepared for Jews and Slavs would beat the f*ck out of you.

Nothing like that happened and look at you now, all smug and trying to prove the crimes of your nation were really european the lands you invaded were really german and in the end all you really did was bring civilisation and your poor poor people lost a couple of provinces too!

Seriously if your nazi grandparents and a couple milion more Germans ended up gassed as retribution you'd learn humility.

That said i differentiate between Germans then and today, you're still not our friends but at least business can be done.

Well Napoleon did conquer Germany slightly over two centuries ago.

Yes but it was Germans who took it all to a new level, before there was conquest, sometimes attempting to wipe out a culture but never actually snufffing out entire peoples so f*ck no i believe we should respect WWII german soldiers by dumping their bones into public latrines at best.
Sokrates   
16 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

@Sasha.

Because every German who fought for the 3rd Reich promoted the idea of death and concentration camps, i believe that in justice and fairness any german male or female above 16 in any way affilited with the 3rd Reich needed to be summarily shot and buried in some nice mass unmarked grave.

Russians i feel less strongly about mainly because as a nation they're pretty much cattle and will commit any attrocity if the goat herder orders it.
Sokrates   
16 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

German soldiers in Russia are mostly burried in graves built after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Thats not true, the burial place of more than 2/3rds of Wechrmacht soldiers are not known or marked with simple plaques, no monuments.

But this doesn't matter. Respecting the dead is one of the core values of our societies.

They're respected by having clean graves, but they were still a barbaric and inhumane enemy, to call for monument building is incredibly insolent and arrogant of you.

but a humble plague commemorating the death is hardly to much to ask.

And thats your problem? You can rest easy, those exist everywhere a grave is located, a simple cross or a plaque, they're not ways of honoring but basic human recognition of a resting place, do not call for respect though, they deserved none then and deserve none now.

A dead murderer is still a murderer.

And you think other soldiers in other countries didn't rape, murder and burned down towns?

Not on the scale that Russians did in 1920, Wechrmacht did but then again i believe that Wechrmacht soldiers dont deserve marked graves at all.

So did the French and the Germans. Brûlez le Palatinat! Jeder Stos ein Franzos. 1.000.000 dead in just one battle. Leveled towns in France and Belgium. And this was not more horrible?

No it was not, the casualities were mostly collateral or combatants, the civilian victims of delibarate murder were few and far between, Russians on the other hand murdered up to 30.000 civilians and had a plan to kill more than 200.000 more as well as completely obliterating all polish elites and heritage so please try and show some respect for Poles by not calling us out to respect fags who wanted to nuke our people and our way of life back to kingdom come.
Sokrates   
16 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

No, I expect monuments for the dead!

Soldiers who raped, tortured, murdered and burned down entire towns? Are you barking mad? They were the enemy who wanted to destroy our country, our lives and take everything we held dear, they were savage and merciless to the civilians why would we honor them? From our point of view they dont deserve anything only a patronizing non-polish f*ck like you would try to insult us by telling us to put monuments to those people.

You're talking about the Jewish nation?

No about the Polish nation, Jews werent a nation back then, they were an ethnic group.

And this particular war was hardly more horrible than the trench warfare between the Germans and the French

It was a lot more horrible given that Russians burned entire towns with people in them regularly. I explained our reasons above.
Sokrates   
16 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

I'm divided on the topic. First of all, the strong language

I'm not, its a russian lie.

The prisoners died of variety of diseases and wounds not to mention the number of deaths is inflated several times over, it was war, Russia didnt feed its troops and Poland provided basic foodstuffs (1500 calories a day) a man will go hungry but will not starve on that, basic medical aid was also provided.

Russians on the other side did not take prisoners, they murdered everyone.

The (Western?) European spirit of reconciliation, on which the whole EU is actually based(!), isn't that narrow-minded.

Possibly because the majority of crimes was commited in the east of Europe which is why hypocrites like you find it easy to patronize nations who lost the most.
Sokrates   
16 May 2011
News / Dumbing-down in Polish schools and the Matura [185]

You wouldn`t be able to afford my services , darling . I am too expensive for you .

Really? In the polish section you came across as a raving idiotic teenager.

Also Seanus is right you're horrible at arguing and completely unable to put across a coherent sentence.
Sokrates   
15 May 2011
History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

Seanus:
to see through their various strategies.

Russian Strategy

Best punchline ever:)

Yes. I am proud. I dare to suppose that millions of jews who happened lived on territory liberated by Soviets also would say something grateful for this "occupation".

You know dude, its so obvious you're baiting people into discussion with low comments its clear you're just another breed of Harry, a twat who deliberately posts controversial stuff to irritate annoy and bait towards discussing with him.

Ie. an attention wh0re.
Sokrates   
14 May 2011
History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]

But when Lithuania and Poland first allied, in 1386, Lithuania was three times the size of Poland

And less than a 10th of its population.

and the Kievan Russ were Lithuanian subjects.

Nominally.

Perhaps you are right and Lithuania couldn't have held that territory for much longer without Poland and her much larger population.

The problem is that in 13-15th century technological civilisation ends on Polands eastern border, countries like various ruthenianduchies (Kiev, Novgorod, Moscow) or Lithuania are at this time technologically a solid 200 years behind Poland or Western Europe and in case of Lithuania there's also a small population.

The race to subjugate/exterminate Lithuanians was already on and piggybacking on Polands significant power in the region was the only way for Lithuanians to survive.

Also it explains why so many Lithuanians got enamoured with polish culture, Poland was two centuries ahead in every respect which means it had a lot more to offer, music, poetry, jousts, medicine, agriculture, science (all of these such as they were in medieval times of course) so obviously Lithuanians embraced it.

The relations got poisoned by the 20s period when Lithuanians tried to assert themselves by supporting Soviet Russia and then Poles who invaded Vilinus, todays history is viewed through the lens of Lithuanias interwar plight but the relation with Poland was definitely beneficiall, without it there would simply be no Lithuania today, of any sort.
Sokrates   
14 May 2011
History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]

As I was learning history at school I was thrilled why are the topics after Lublin have less and less feeling of "great success", later that made sense to me. On the other hand I couldn't say that Lithuanians see that period as a destruction of Lithuania. The saddest thing for Lithuanians, in my opinion, is not that Poland was the bigger power of the Commonwealth but that Lithuanians elite were abandoning their identity.

The problem here is that Lithuania could not survive without Poland, bordering Moscow, Novgorod and Kievan Rus with only a tiny population it had no chance of survival.

Lithuania effectively rode out the most dangerous period on Polands back.

Or would it definitely have led to a union or even incorporation into Poland?

Long term? You'd have Polish Poles and Lithuanian Poles.
Sokrates   
12 May 2011
History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

No its not, US weapons are still the best, you just offer the economy class in weaponry today, good quality for good price but if you want great quality US is the only place to get it, more money = better tech.

The whole idea of "Germany was so superior" is propagated by US, France and UK because quite frankly their armies were p*ssies.

When Russians faced massive dug in german formations they ran over them in a week disregarding losses, when the Allies landed in Normandy they pranced around like fags for a month because their soldiers were cowards and their commanders inept.

When Poles fought at Bzura and polish units faced up to 70% casulities they kept going, when Russians or Germans faced 70% casualities they kept going, when Brits or US army faced 30% casualities they instantly recalled the operation and screamed they were getting massacred.

So of course they want the world to know how awesome Germany was, how Poland was overrun in 10 minutes or how Russia was really saved by the five sacks of corn they sent it and would lose otherwise , it makes the fact that France rolled over like a coward and US and UK couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper bag hurt less.
Sokrates   
12 May 2011
History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

You are just jealeous! I understand that... :)

Not really, any idiot can edit wikipedia and there's even more german chauvinists today than there were german nazis 65 years ago, the point is you and people like you make it all up just like the case with Poznań, Germans can't admit they're not superior or even slightly ahead:)

All these technologies were first built by Germany,

Thats rubbish mate, the problem with you is that you have no knowledge and base your posts on opinions.

The first assault rifle for example is the avtomat fiodorowa wz 16 which in turn was a perfected version of the same assault rifle developed in 1912.

pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plik:Fedorov_avtomat.jpg&filetimestamp=20100130151436 the first jet plane was built in 1910 by Henry Coanda.

There's more to it but i dont really feel like educating a pretentional moron, none of the technologies you listed were developed by Germans, none.

The reason why Germans applied new technologies were because they were getting their arse kicked and got desperate, the reason their enemies did not apply same technologies was because they didnt need to/couldnt afford to (as with Poland) but they all had the same technologies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44
LOL, the name "assualt rifle" is even based on the German word Sturmgewehr, and the AK-47 is based on this German design... :D

Assault rifle and automatic carbine are interchangable and Stg44 is actually a late comer, the automatic guns have been messed with for a very long time (30 years) by various countries, they were however insanely expensive to build (the cost of a single stg44 equaled 12 MP44s) so most countries did not bother with them untill the manufacturing technologies became affordable, Germany did because again it was desperate.
Sokrates   
12 May 2011
History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

Most people think of the Wehrmacht at the time as being some steel and diesel killing machine... People seem to forget that it was literally horsepower, not diesel engines, that moved the army.

The reason why Wehrmacht was as good as it was was because of modern training and awesome commanders, thats pretty much it.

Yeah, electric boats

Everyone had them.

air-independent propulsion

Everyone had it.

turbojet bombers and fighters, rocket-powered fighters

Everyone had the technology, it just was not economic enough to build them, not even for the Germans, see fuel consumption, basically all inventions you listed either existed as counterparts or had been in design stage and not produced for economic reasons.

Assault rifles have been designed and even built decades before WW2, Germans just started mass producing one, they did not invent nor were they the first to field one (Russians or French were).

Or...as the American said to the Soviets after the moon landing: "Our Germans are better than your Germans!"

Silly chauvinist arguments, most german inventions are simply applications of inventions by other nations, paperclip was done for the same reason why Germany drains Polands scientists today, you can never have too few brainiacs, Germany loved to field weirdo projects but thats what they were, other countries had the technology but did not waste resources.

For the cost of one ME262 you could build four mustang fighters and they used less fuel in one mission than that plane.

Stop masturbating about how awesome the german technology was, much of what they had was copied or based on other peoples work.

So, the polish army was badly led and badly equipped.
Just a dose of reality!

However the technology level was the same, its the money that Poland was short on.
Sokrates   
12 May 2011
History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

The Germans werent invincible in 1939

No they werent, if France and England actually did attack Germany would roll over in 2-4 months in 1939.

In fact many countries including Poland, France, etc had technology that was on par with the Germans (except for maybe the Luftwaffe planes).

German never led in technology, thats a myth manufactured by the West to justify why western soldiers sucked so horribly when compared to Germans, the myth is also upheld by todays Germany for national pride reasons.

Germany had exactly the same level of technology everyone else had, where it differed was the training of its troops and the quality of its commanders.
Sokrates   
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]

Poles live in Ascaugalis....you live in Breslau...Poles live in Danzig...you live on german lands in german towns.

Danzig was built by Poles, Wrocław? No argument there its a former german city.

I understand if for some that is uncomfortable..*pats Soks head*

BB you're talking to a guy who owns hundreds of german postcards of Lower Silesia and openly admits it used to be german, the problem is neither Greater Poland, nor eastern Silesia have been german.

Where had been all the slavic towns and villages at 200 A.D ???? I can't see any....only germanic ones!

Where have been all the germanic villages in 700AD? Or for that matter at 200 A.D? Why are all the towns in that area built by Poles?

Oh wait its because we erased all archeological sign of Germans there right?
Sokrates   
11 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]

How can it be slavic "in origin" if the Slavs had been the last people to wander into central Europe, AFTER the Celts and AFTER the Germanics??? *insert slapping on forhead smiley*

Because the only civilisation there was slavic one? Germans vacated the place, there's not a single germanic city preserved found in the area, how is that possible?

The title is incorrect however, the land is not natively Slavic but Slavs are the first people who created permanent lasting settlements and a fully developed civilisation in the region.