Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
News / Poland is important in the global economy crisis? [33]
Finger hakeln is also an alternative...
;)
Finger hakeln is also an alternative...
;)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Watch Poland grow and shrink (interactive map) [52]
Well...Germany is quite successful...but not many of the 80 millions in other countries come back...:(
Well...Germany is quite successful...but not many of the 80 millions in other countries come back...:(
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Erm...Gruni...we are talking about WWII!
WWII wasn't over after Holland..;)
Yeah...Norway would had shown the Wehrmacht otherwise....
:)
Erm...Gruni...we are talking about WWII!
WWII wasn't over after Holland..;)
And also in Norway after a time (lost almost there but the defeats in lower countries + France lead to a withdrawal for the allies in Norway)
Yeah...Norway would had shown the Wehrmacht otherwise....
:)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Who told you that??? ;)
The german forces were always outnumbered...be it in France or in even much greater numbers in Russia.
The boxer who has to fight 10 others continously at the same time and manages to take them out one by one by one for years is clearly the better one, wouldn't you say?
I know that! ;)
otherwise Germans by most of the time were outnumbering their enemies (not on a global level but on a local one)
Who told you that??? ;)
The german forces were always outnumbered...be it in France or in even much greater numbers in Russia.
BB what stand would you have over an world champion in boxing losing after meeting several "novices" which later on earned from experience how to defeat him?
The boxer who has to fight 10 others continously at the same time and manages to take them out one by one by one for years is clearly the better one, wouldn't you say?
But they got beaten by Russians... Doesn't it ring ANY bell to you? :p
I know that! ;)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
News / Poland is important in the global economy crisis? [33]
That's true and Poles can be proud of their achievement.
But not to forget that Poland was and still is helped by their fellow EU member states greatly....yes, also the Dutch! ;)
(East Germany wouldn't be where it is now either without the Soli from West Germany)
So no ***** fighting please...
That's true and Poles can be proud of their achievement.
But not to forget that Poland was and still is helped by their fellow EU member states greatly....yes, also the Dutch! ;)
(East Germany wouldn't be where it is now either without the Soli from West Germany)
So no ***** fighting please...
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
I wish he had...then Germany would had been able to pose as the victim and there wouldn't had been a world war...Hitler could have concentrated on Russia.
Poland would still had been the main battlefield though...
Erm...could I ask for a translation?
Thats really a given and if he did then no one would be able to defeat him.
I wish he had...then Germany would had been able to pose as the victim and there wouldn't had been a world war...Hitler could have concentrated on Russia.
Poland would still had been the main battlefield though...
No Polish author Bogusław Wołoszański in his book "Ten Okrutny Wiek" This Cruel Age (century) he wrote countless WWII books, based on his research.
Erm...could I ask for a translation?
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Then you must know about the numbers...
And why do you ignore them? The losses? Kill ratios???
That alone makes for an unfavourable picture for the Soviet army...Why do you keep ignoring that?
Do you really think the one is better who keeps getting killed in much greater numbers??? Who managed to lose tanks, air crafts etc. en masses to their enemy??? Till to the end in Berlin!
I really want to know what makes you tick...what gives you that idea!
BB i've studied all sources including german ones and personally i'll stick to polish ones, we've beaten the horse dead and unlike western and russian sources we never missed a spot, that includes polish mistakes in 1939.
Then you must know about the numbers...
And why do you ignore them? The losses? Kill ratios???
That alone makes for an unfavourable picture for the Soviet army...Why do you keep ignoring that?
Do you really think the one is better who keeps getting killed in much greater numbers??? Who managed to lose tanks, air crafts etc. en masses to their enemy??? Till to the end in Berlin!
I really want to know what makes you tick...what gives you that idea!
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Suvorov said that didn't he?
By 1942 Stalin wanted to invade Europe.
Suvorov said that didn't he?
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
I think his sources are very one sided. How can he think he knows about the eastern front without studying german/international sources??? Even if russian ones are either unavailable or not to be trusted at least the german side would teach him alot.
The soviet soldier got every initiative beaten out of him for years before the war even started. Stalin purged the most talented, most skilled from the army, fearing their brains.
Leaving only the most average in the highest positions. Individual bravery notwithstanding the "human wave" tactics was all what was left to them, people was a resource which they had in abundance and life was cheap (11 million losses).
Totally contrary to the german forces (3 million losses)...that influenced tactics and strategy of both belligerents like nothing else...and that the numbers show clearly.
Why Sok still keeps ignoring that I dunno...
maybe because he's very pro Soviet?
I think his sources are very one sided. How can he think he knows about the eastern front without studying german/international sources??? Even if russian ones are either unavailable or not to be trusted at least the german side would teach him alot.
The soviet soldier got every initiative beaten out of him for years before the war even started. Stalin purged the most talented, most skilled from the army, fearing their brains.
Leaving only the most average in the highest positions. Individual bravery notwithstanding the "human wave" tactics was all what was left to them, people was a resource which they had in abundance and life was cheap (11 million losses).
Totally contrary to the german forces (3 million losses)...that influenced tactics and strategy of both belligerents like nothing else...and that the numbers show clearly.
Why Sok still keeps ignoring that I dunno...
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Rofl
How did they managed to get killed then in such high numbers? How come they killed far less Germans than Germans killed them?
How can you ignore the facts, the statistics so easily???
You can hardly win a victory if the enemy left for another battle ;)
Do you know the kill ration for the german Panzers against the Soviets? 30 : 1.
They had always had much less panzers than the Russians, didn't stopped them from killing them en masse!
Read about the german panzer aces like Wittmann and co.
Erm...ever compared losses???
Get real Socrates! The numbers show a clear image...The german soldiers was clear superior to their enemy, he killed much more of their enemies than their enemy managed to kill german soldiers.
You can that only achieve with better training, with better tactics, with better leadership.
When you don't have all that, then you need more men...that was the Soviet strategy!
44-45? Better equipment, better tactics, better unit cooperation, better soldiers,
Rofl
How did they managed to get killed then in such high numbers? How come they killed far less Germans than Germans killed them?
How can you ignore the facts, the statistics so easily???
They stopped the german army and completely nuked its motorised and armored elements, they had six fast cores en route to the combat area, Germans had nothing, thats a strategic victory right there.
You can hardly win a victory if the enemy left for another battle ;)
They had nothing to fight with BB, nothing at all, Panzerwaffe amounted to some 200 vehicles, thats tanks and self propelled guns, Russians still had well over a 700 armored vehicles in the area and more than 500 less than a day off.
Do you know the kill ration for the german Panzers against the Soviets? 30 : 1.
They had always had much less panzers than the Russians, didn't stopped them from killing them en masse!
Read about the german panzer aces like Wittmann and co.
Nope, normally armies win when they beat the enemy to a bloody pulp and have enough juice left to keep the spoils of victory.
Erm...ever compared losses???
Get real Socrates! The numbers show a clear image...The german soldiers was clear superior to their enemy, he killed much more of their enemies than their enemy managed to kill german soldiers.
You can that only achieve with better training, with better tactics, with better leadership.
When you don't have all that, then you need more men...that was the Soviet strategy!
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Kursk wasn't even a victory for the Soviets. The invasion in Italy happened and the german commanders were shocked and dismayed to be forced to leave the battle and go fight the invasion.
It is not clear how Kursk would have gone if the Germans weren't forced by Hitler to leave the battlefield.
How you can say the Soviets had been better than the Germans is beyond me...the kill ratio till the end in Berlin was 5 to 10 : 1
Meaning till the end every german soldier mopped the floor with the enemy. The soviets NEEDED an overwhelming number to balance that out...they NEEDED human waves to kill enough of these efficient soldiers. 10:1 (Max Hastings)
In every field (Airforce, Panzer, Infantry) the german forces had an often incredible favourable kill ratio, that is a fact!
Where do you get the idea that the Soviets had been better in any way???
An army who loses that much soldiers (normally those armies win which make their enemy die in greater numbers than their own) can hardly be taken seriously.
They only had their people to throw at the Germans...not brain or smart tactics.
I'm repeating myself to the point of puking on my own shoes, untill 1943 when Germany was effectively beaten at Kursk it was fighting on one front.
Kursk wasn't even a victory for the Soviets. The invasion in Italy happened and the german commanders were shocked and dismayed to be forced to leave the battle and go fight the invasion.
It is not clear how Kursk would have gone if the Germans weren't forced by Hitler to leave the battlefield.
How you can say the Soviets had been better than the Germans is beyond me...the kill ratio till the end in Berlin was 5 to 10 : 1
Meaning till the end every german soldier mopped the floor with the enemy. The soviets NEEDED an overwhelming number to balance that out...they NEEDED human waves to kill enough of these efficient soldiers. 10:1 (Max Hastings)
In every field (Airforce, Panzer, Infantry) the german forces had an often incredible favourable kill ratio, that is a fact!
Where do you get the idea that the Soviets had been better in any way???
An army who loses that much soldiers (normally those armies win which make their enemy die in greater numbers than their own) can hardly be taken seriously.
They only had their people to throw at the Germans...not brain or smart tactics.
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Watch Poland grow and shrink (interactive map) [52]
Why would you need such a big country? You are a people of...what...35 millions?
Good borders for Poland at present would be the 1600s border in the east and the 1945 one in the west.
Why would you need such a big country? You are a people of...what...35 millions?
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
I know!
That was a crime...
if Hitler played his card right the entire Red Army would just fight for him and a russian soldier under german command would be un-f*cking-stoppable.
I know!
That was a crime...
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Well...try german sources next Sok! Especially when you study the Eastern Front! ;)
Maybe you can put your "subhuman" ideas and that Russians sh'it on the Wehrmacht to rest then.
Because you are quite alone with that opinion. Even Russians tell you that...;)
'night
PS: Only comparing direct Kill ratios and losses should show you who sh'it on whom the whole time, even outnumbered and fighting at several fronts at once at the same time!
Well...try german sources next Sok! Especially when you study the Eastern Front! ;)
Maybe you can put your "subhuman" ideas and that Russians sh'it on the Wehrmacht to rest then.
Because you are quite alone with that opinion. Even Russians tell you that...;)
'night
PS: Only comparing direct Kill ratios and losses should show you who sh'it on whom the whole time, even outnumbered and fighting at several fronts at once at the same time!
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Can you give me some of your sources Sok? I would be interested in reading them...
I read german, english, american sources mainly...and especially with the german witnesses about the eastern front I don't get the feeling they want to defame the Russians purposely to demean their own achievements.
There is alot of pity for the enemy soldier on the ground as they are so abused by their superiors, with special hate going out to the NKVD.
....have to go now...bis Morgen! :)
Can you give me some of your sources Sok? I would be interested in reading them...
I read german, english, american sources mainly...and especially with the german witnesses about the eastern front I don't get the feeling they want to defame the Russians purposely to demean their own achievements.
There is alot of pity for the enemy soldier on the ground as they are so abused by their superiors, with special hate going out to the NKVD.
....have to go now...bis Morgen! :)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]
Come...let it rest...it's history now...
your Prussia should be flogged at last one more time !
Come...let it rest...it's history now...
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
...yeah...I have no other info on that one either...
Maybe he had a german shepherd???
Doesn't matter...he makes great goals! :)
Original flag was a small thing carried to the top during the assault, then they ordered a nicer bigger version for the famous pic, as far as i know yes there were Poles assaulting Reichstag but no they did not stick a flag over it.
...yeah...I have no other info on that one either...
About 40-50k but if you mean mr Klose he's as German as i am.
Maybe he had a german shepherd???
Doesn't matter...he makes great goals! :)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Thanks :)
Did you google already?
Ok BB we believe you your ancestors were Silesian Germans
Thanks :)
Will somebody post any video links bout that damn Battle of Bautzen?
Did you google already?
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Germans have lived there for over 1000 years...
Well...as our football team (between others) found out alot more Germans stayed than previously thought. ;)
Alone during the 80's nearly a million Poles with german heritage used their right of return to immigrate to West Germany.
Now back to the Reichstag question!
Well Silesians are not ethnic Polish nor are Kasubians or Lemkos just other Slavic minorities.
Germans have lived there for over 1000 years...
Post 1947? Yep.
Well...as our football team (between others) found out alot more Germans stayed than previously thought. ;)
Alone during the 80's nearly a million Poles with german heritage used their right of return to immigrate to West Germany.
Now back to the Reichstag question!
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
I really wonder where your worshipping of the Red Army stems from Sok...you must know by now that the mainstream judgement by the overwhelming majority of international experts is very negative about their tactics and strategies (nothing against the braveness of the poor sob on the ground).
I won't discuss this fact with you as we will have to agree to disagree here (and that russian witness opinion here count double for me), I only wonder. Especially as you elsewhere can hardly find a good word about russian achievements.
PS: Silesia was Upper AND lower Silesia and hence was for sure part of Silesia for 2000 years.
Also a thing to consider.
I really wonder where your worshipping of the Red Army stems from Sok...you must know by now that the mainstream judgement by the overwhelming majority of international experts is very negative about their tactics and strategies (nothing against the braveness of the poor sob on the ground).
I won't discuss this fact with you as we will have to agree to disagree here (and that russian witness opinion here count double for me), I only wonder. Especially as you elsewhere can hardly find a good word about russian achievements.
PS: Silesia was Upper AND lower Silesia and hence was for sure part of Silesia for 2000 years.
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Very kind of you! ;)
I wont even argue about your grand parents being polish
Very kind of you! ;)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Even better there wouldn't had been a war!
My grand parents came from lower Silesia...Ick bin ein Berliner!
*yummy* :)
If it weren't for Hitler and those sick nazis Germany would have been better of if it would still have been a WW2.
Even better there wouldn't had been a war!
I bet you're from Silesia or upper Poland ;)
My grand parents came from lower Silesia...Ick bin ein Berliner!
*yummy* :)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]
Forced polonization of the ukrainian schools by the Austrians during the partitions???
What a Kuddelmuddel....
1870 : A Decree of Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria established Polish as the official language of the school. Most professors not proficient in Polish left the Polytechnic.
Forced polonization of the ukrainian schools by the Austrians during the partitions???
What a Kuddelmuddel....
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
You don't win this many battles across Europe with murdering innocent peoples....nope you win them with destroying your enemy's armed military only!
Yeah...can't you smell my enthusiasm for the polish forces??? :):):)
nice footage
Best on what? Murder inoncent people?
You don't win this many battles across Europe with murdering innocent peoples....nope you win them with destroying your enemy's armed military only!
And BB when will you stop pretend to be a German? You know i can smell a Pole miles away ;)
Yeah...can't you smell my enthusiasm for the polish forces??? :):):)
This video is made by the Brits.
nice footage
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Well...they managed to hold back with their "glorifying" for most of the time...I'm not used to reading such statements!
I rather think that was gulag-worthy only a few years back...
And of course it can't come from communists...we all know what pathological liars commies are!
How come you would rather believe commie propaganda in this regard???
Accept it Sok...we woz best! You heard it from Russians! ;)
Gloryfying Germany as an opponent adds to russian sense of achievement, others try to diminish the russian effort by calling this "human wave" thingy.
Well...they managed to hold back with their "glorifying" for most of the time...I'm not used to reading such statements!
I rather think that was gulag-worthy only a few years back...
And of course it can't come from communists...we all know what pathological liars commies are!
How come you would rather believe commie propaganda in this regard???
Accept it Sok...we woz best! You heard it from Russians! ;)
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Polish flag over the Reichstag first? [399]
Apropos...interesting link: vojnik.org/en/3
A judgement about who was best in WWII, from Russians no less! ;)
That however was not because russian commanders were dumb or clumsy as many would have it, they just had loads of men and didnt value their lives one bit.
Apropos...interesting link: vojnik.org/en/3
A judgement about who was best in WWII, from Russians no less! ;)
Speaks Daniil Granin (born in 1919), who spent 3 years in the blockading (by German and Finnish troops) Leningrad:
«The Germans fought better, much better than our soldiers. Moreover - we`ve managed to win that war only by human flesh!»...
«The Germans fought better, much better than our soldiers. Moreover - we`ve managed to win that war only by human flesh!»...
The author of several military and patriotic novels, Vasiljev tells:
«We`ve managed to win the war by chance, absolutely...
«We`ve managed to win the war by chance, absolutely...
The late Viktor Astafjev was on the Soviet-German front all the war long, 1941-1945:
«The Germans fought much, much better - in all respects! The Communists chose to shed rivers of the Russian blood literally in order to win the War. The Soviets won over Germany only by their extreme brutality and inhumanity!»
«The Germans fought much, much better - in all respects! The Communists chose to shed rivers of the Russian blood literally in order to win the War. The Soviets won over Germany only by their extreme brutality and inhumanity!»
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Watch Poland grow and shrink (interactive map) [52]
I know that! ;)
But I wouldn't call the GDR "soft core"...but that's only me...
we're moaning now because only now we're given a voice and we lost a LOT.
I know that! ;)
But I wouldn't call the GDR "soft core"...but that's only me...
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Watch Poland grow and shrink (interactive map) [52]
Vertriebene...
14 Million had to resettle during and after the war.
Vertriebene...
14 Million had to resettle during and after the war.
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2011
History / Watch Poland grow and shrink (interactive map) [52]
Well...my grandparents were the last to speak schlesisch...it has died out now.
I think that what Poles are going through...the "moaning" is a natural and quite healthy process.
After all western people tend to forget that alot of stuff is only NOW, after the fall of the iron curtain and after the Soviet system broke down, freely discussed, newly evaluated, talked about.
The West had 50 years of that already and for them it's "old news". There reconciliation is also already a thing of the past where it is still a raw thing in the eastern countries.
Hence alot of unduly impatience and rolling eyes...that is not fair either.
But that is a process that has to be gone through and it will end in time too.
PS: Germany too started to discuss things more freely only after the wall fell..
Depends...you can't hold a candle to the german suffering during the 30 years war.
Also the Russians lost more people during the last century...I think...
Well...my grandparents were the last to speak schlesisch...it has died out now.
I think that what Poles are going through...the "moaning" is a natural and quite healthy process.
After all western people tend to forget that alot of stuff is only NOW, after the fall of the iron curtain and after the Soviet system broke down, freely discussed, newly evaluated, talked about.
The West had 50 years of that already and for them it's "old news". There reconciliation is also already a thing of the past where it is still a raw thing in the eastern countries.
Hence alot of unduly impatience and rolling eyes...that is not fair either.
But that is a process that has to be gone through and it will end in time too.
PS: Germany too started to discuss things more freely only after the wall fell..
So, all in all, when we consider ALL the above mentioned factors, then it is obvious
that Poland has suffered the most of all European nations
that Poland has suffered the most of all European nations
Depends...you can't hold a candle to the german suffering during the 30 years war.
Also the Russians lost more people during the last century...I think...