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@Roger5

Yes it does. The very first sentence is 'four put of ten people with hiv in the EEA is a migrant to the country' and cites Spanish center for epidemiology.

Neither does it take a genius to see that the rates of HIV prevalence in sub sahara is as high as 20%. Those same people are entering Europe.

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@cms

10 30 or 100 years old...Doesn't change the fact swedes have to pay almost 100k a DAY to rent a cruise ship to house migrants, according to Swedish sources.

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@rozumiemnic

Yesits far less severe than hiv but that doesnt mean we shouldn't care about it. The common cold is also less severe yet people take precautions to avoid catching it. Scabies isnt not as simple as taking a pill or cream and they're all gone immediately. The reason why its breeds and spreads so fast is because of the unhygienic conditions migrants live in. So even after say they get rid of it on their bodies theyll end up catching it again by being in dirty unhygenic conditions and around infected migrants. Why take the risk? Chlamydia can be effectively treated w oral antibiotics but that doesn't mean I should sleep with slutty women who have it.

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@rozumiemnic

What do you mean by 'not sure these conditions are comparable?' Well yes scabiea are less severe than hiv but thats just two of the diseasws migrants bring. A huge chuck of the migrants have scabies which they more often than not catch from living in cramped quarters as they're being trafficked or in the detention centers they wind up in for illegally crossing borders. As far as HIV, its widely known fact that sub saharans suffer disproportionate HIV infection rates - in some countries as high as 20% of the population. A lot of rhr migrants also have TB which puts Europeans at unnecessary risk and strains a health budget meant for citizens - not people who illegally cross borders and fail to obtain the proper paperwork and visas.

Muslim countries blood test people before giving them a visa. Libya tests all the migrants it catches and immediately deports anyone with HIV - of whom they estimate 15% of the people they catch are infected. Thank God they're doing this otherwise if they didn't care at all those people would all be in Europe by now. Europe should do the same if its good enough for places like Libya or Bahrain or kuwait its good enough for us. No need to put our population at unnecessary risk and strain the health budget.

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@spiritus

Yup. We all know why that happened though. As it became clear the vast majority of the people coming to Europe the terms refugee and asylum seeker have been interchanged with migrant. Quite frankly I think its offensive to legit refugees to be classed in the same group as the majority which are clearly economic migrants. Despite left leanings media constant stream of pictures of women and families the statistics are loud and clear - the vast majority are young men. Sweden now has a disproportionate level of men to women with some 120 130 males to every 100 females.

However now they're no longer migrants or refugees - they're a burden (Merkel's term) to be shared. After all why should only those countries who accrptrd hordes of Muslims have to deal with Islamic terror? Let's spread it all around so every European country has to deal with islamic terror, not to mention all the rapes, crimes, welfare costs, etc that's the solidarity they're talking about.

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@cms

MEPs and the unelected commissars like junker are two different branches.

Read this master piece earlier:
EU's version of affirmative action, but way scarier
theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/eu-criticised-leaving-out-ethnic-minorities-diversity-drive

Oh let's have a diversity drive - put people in positions solely based on their ethnicity or orientation. Soooo tolerant

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@Atch

They do carry diseases 'unseen in Europe for a long time' as he put it. Ever heard of scabies for example? Not to mention the high HIV rate among sub saharans

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The Polish people have voiced their opinion. Cbos, the highest regarding polling agency in Poland, concluded 74% of poles don't want Muslim and me migration. Out of those it further broke down to 90% of pis being against migration and 50 some % of po voters against.

One of the main reasons why po performed so dismally in the elections and pis secured a majority is BC of the migrant crisis and refusing to take in migrants.

So yes poles overwhelmingly reject migration from Me and Africa. We don't want them. We already have a Tatar and Chechen Muslim community that are well assimilated we don't need hordes of young men committing crimes, raping women, causing years of national state of emergency, living on the dole and committing terrorism.

Besides Merkel promoted this as cultural enrichment. It has since become 'sharing the burden.' Well its not our burden and we don't want it.

Perhaps if the migrants were better behaved in western Europe and didn't cause so many problems in their gracious host nations they wouldn't have such a negative image.

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@Tacitus

We don't want the unnecessary risk of inviting Islamic terrorists and radicals. This is a safety issue and not worth the risk to achieve a merit badge of tolerance from mutti Merkel. Besides, the vast majority of poles don't want them. As the famous saying goes - nasz kraj, nasze zasady roughly meaning our country, our way (or our decisions/our standards)

She invited them in (if you're an economic migrant, you can't stay long term; we have to help refugees whether we want to or not). Besides actions speak louder than words. She did absolutely nothing to stem the flow of african and me migrants the majority of whom, uncoincidentally, chose Germany as their primary destination.

Also, over 20k people a year die from Islamic terror. The religion of peace.com keeps a very accurate count and details each incident. 700 killed just from oct 14 to Oct 20. No other religion or ideology has a fraction of the body count in present times like Islam does.

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@Crow

By reconciliation do you mean statements such as 'goyim were born only to serve us without that they have no place in the world' by the same chief rabbi of israel that netanyahu buddied with?

I only can hope for the day that poles are able to get away with half of the shyt Zionists say and do.

There is no hand offered to any slavs that's purely for reconciliation or for slavs benefit. The only hand offered to Slavs were Jewish slavs and even that was simply a means to an end. In the late 60s and 70s the Soviets allowed Jews to leave after the war with israel due to pressure from American Zionist groups that were concerned about antisemitism in USSR. The Soviets wisely emptied their jails of hardcore Jewish criminals (and non jewish) along with some Soviet spies mixed in with legit Jewish families. These same criminals have decades long careers in organized crime and who now live in israel bc the state refuses to extrade them for all the things they've done in us, Brazil, australia, all over the world.

Same as with the jews still in europe. Israel only wants to help jewish slavs - mostly ukranian jews along w french, german, hungarian jews namely to move them into subsidized housing in occupied Palestine to help with the governments campaign of gradual ethnic cleansing of the west bank, with americas financial assistance. And yet the Zionist dominated msm continues to paint the Palestinians as the wrongdoers for not allowing occupiers to live in peace.

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Even worse, now HIV infection is skyrocketing in Europe. Libyan authorities state that roughly 15% of the migrants they catch have diseases - in which case they immediately deport them since Libyan law doesn't allow for people with HIV to obtain a visa. Well, think of how many HIV infected migrants made it across. With the skyrocketing levels of rape that haven't been seen in Europe since WW2 that is a very scary thing.

Nearly four out of every ten people with HIV in the European Economic Area (EEA) is a migrant to the country in which they are diagnosed, a recent report by the Spanish Centre for Epidemiology shows.

[aidsmap.com/Four-in-ten-people-diagnosed-with-HIV-in-Europe-are-migrants/page/2978799/

The proportion of migrants living with HIV in Europe reportedly vary from one percent in Romania to 75 percent in Sweden.
Sweden also has one of the highest proportions of late diagnoses - mainly because a high number of people diagnosed in Sweden are migrants.
Oh what do you know - a country with stricter border controls has less HIV infected migrants... hmmmm....
hivplusmag.com/treatment/2017/2/20/europe-seeing-vast-growth-hiv-positive-migrants

Do we really want potentially HIV infected young male migrants running around Poland groping and raping Polish women? (sub-Saharan Africans still make up the majority - from hivplusmag.com)

Sweden took them in - now they have terror, new crime ridden muslim majority areas popping up everyday, skyrocketing rape cases, way more HIV cases, women are scared to walk around alone, have to spend money to rent a cruise ship to house migrants because there's not enough housing for everyone, they take in ISIS terrorists and 'rehabilitate' them - well Poland wants no part in this lunacy.

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If you illegally cross a boarder, pay a smuggler (oftentimes people linked to Al-Qaeda or other terror groups - especially those operating in the deserts in Niger, Libya, etc.), or fail to obtain a proper visa from the countries you are crossing through, you are committing a crime. So no, these people are not innocent. If they are indeed refugees, they're supposed to register at the FIRST SAFE country they arrive at - not wait till they're in their chosen WELFARE STATE.

Most of the people who come are low lives - uneducated, unskilled young men. Estimates give a figure of 20% or less as families. Most have little to offer a developed western society besides menial labor - which would be fine if they actually did that but instead they prefer to go on welfare in places like Germany and Sweden since its higher than any salary they'd get back home. A few end up working in agriculture in places like Greece, Italy, etc. - usually if they ran out of money and simply need to save up to make it to their ultimate destination - more often than not the welfare states of Germany or Sweden. If there was a competency test given to people before they could become EU citizens it would weed out a lot of undesirables. Europe has no problem accepting engineers, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, students, families, etc. What we don't need is hundreds of thousands of young uneducated men with nothing to do who loiter about and are bored so they start getting into things like crime, rape, extremism, etc. A lot of these people don't even have documents so not only do we have no clue who they really are but we can't even deport them because their home country won't accept them without an ID.


We have enough problems inside of our country and continent to deal with. The age of slavery and colonization is over (except for in places like Mauritania). There's no excuse why these people can't build their country up. If Poland, S. Koreans, Japan, China, hell even N. Korea managed to rebuild their country which was totally obliterated during the Korean War (and up until the 80s was wealthier than S Korea), they can do it too. Hell drill for some oil or mine for some gold and diamonds instead of sitting in a mud hut waiting for a Red Cross truck to drive by to give you food.

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Doesn't really matter anyway. Poland hasn't taken in any migrants forced upon it since 2015 despite all of EU's threats and has no plans to in the future. Even when they took in the few under PO - half of them left almost immediately anyway for Germany to take advantage of their welfare system. Polish people don't want it and the people's will and desires are more important than an unelected commissar's and Merkel's opinions.

Poland is helping people on the ground mainly through charities like Caritas in these areas as it is far cheaper and a far better long term solution than having millions of people leave from ME and Africa and settle in a totally different society. We cannot take all these people in from Africa and ME - there are millions that want to come and there is simply no way Europe could manage that. Nonetheless, the leftists will push for that to dilute Europe's demographics, push for no borders, force multiculturalism upon all Europeans, and to increase their voting bloc.

If Merkel didn't open the door to people from God knows where we they even all come from wouldn't be in this mess. She invited them, she can keep them. 75% of the Polish people are not interested in accepting migrants from ME and Africa. Our politicians back us up in this regard because they know how sensitive of an issue it is. We don't want Islamic terror in our country. It's not a price worth paying. If it comes down to it we'd rather pay the 2 bil EU fine - 50 EU a Pole to be relieved of any obligations of migrant quotas. That was the only thing the EU threatened us with as a direct consequence of not accepting migrants. That was months ago, almost a year and it has since fizzled out since so many other countries are also standing up and saying no - we won't put our country's safety and western liberal society in jeopardy.

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LOL. Oh boy Crow, you must not be familiar with the Talmud.

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@idem

That's what Poles have been doing. Thousands of them have left and are continuing to leave. All the Poles who have made good money working as plumbers, contractors, factory workers, etc are now returning to Poland with savings, a better resume, and a country that has far higher wages and far lower unemployment than before they left.

It's the same thing in US - much of them are skilled, many are not though. You have people that are skilled in one trade or even have an education but they chose to work in like construction and related fields because of the quick easy money. Some of the people that are like doctors, lawyers, etc end up learning the language and redo all their licensing. Some are successful, some kind of, some not. Like one husband and wife couple moved from PL to US and the husband was a cardiologist back in PL but he couldn't pass the certification to be an MD but did make it as high as a sort of like physical therapist guy. The wife was a dentist in PL and continued doing the same in US though.


That's the perception I get from antifa and other far leftists... same as if you're proud of your European culture...

@Atch
And we're opting out of taking in migrants from the ME and Africa with the backing of Hungary and other E Euro states. Like Nigel Farage said: What a surprise - EU court undermines national sovereignty once again. It should be a decision of nation states who it allows inside its borders."

Can we get back on topic now????

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@Lyzko

Yes it does - but UK and France aren't far behind. Germany has done a great job saving money and balancing their budgets. As an economic and political power, yes they're top dog in EU (although I'd say UK is more powerful overall than Germany and their GDP is only slightly below Germany's).

The east is catching up. Most people don't realize Poland's economy is larger than Norway, Denmark, Austria, etc. by GDP and very close to Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, etc.

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Childish how? That's how geopolitics work. You can't make a nation, its leadership and its people do anything without backing it up with a carrot or stick. Talk is cheap... Poland and Hungary realized the EU is all bark no bite and are calling it out in its bluff time and time again.

Poland is drifting back to a place where it feels comfortable, authoritarian government

If that's how you want to put it, so what? We've replaced a commie government who held Poles under Moscow's heel. Now we have another outside, foreign group telling us what to do in our sovereign borders and meddling in our affairs - threatening to fine us for things we're doing inside of our own sovereign borders. Poles think of the EC as being controlling and authoritarian - kind of like the PRL authorities before them. They're viewed as commies and socialists more and more by Poles - but nonetheless Poles wish to stay because of the economic benefits. Even with the 'constitutional crisis' - Poles wanted to settle it amongst themselves and we did. PiS corrects course if it does something to upset the populace. Hence, why PiS has record popularity amongst Poles - double that of losing PO. We are happy with a government that embraces and promotes family values, Christian culture, homogeneity of Poland, and stands up to those who seek to harm and undermine our sovereignty. That's what Poles want and what our government gives. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your EU multikulti far left values, but that's not what the Polish people want. Again, 75% of Poles reject migration from Africa and ME.


Oh will there now? And when will that come exactly? How swiftly - hopefully less than 2+ years? Seems they can't manage the few things on their plate as it is. The EU can't even figure out what to do with Poland and Hungary lol... and its been over 2 years!! All bark, no bite... They could've fined the tiny 2 bil eu (50 euro a Pole ... pfffttt!!!) to Poland and they failed to even do that. All they've done is send 'warnings' and 'threats' to Poland to not enact this or that law. Actually, since the whole constitutional crisis thing, they've pretty much forgotten (or rather simply gave up) on trying to force Poland and others to accept migrants.

EU should focus more on eliminating the 2 year state of emergency caused by migrants in France and protecting its borders so there's less terror attacks. They should be emulating Poland and Hungary - but they're too busy propagating their ridiculous far left multi kulti vision to the masses... meanwhile the leaders stay in their ivory towers with armed guards far away from the ninja women and dudes with foot long beards prowling the cities and young dark skinned men attacking people coming out of and into the subways...

There will definitely have to be measures put in place to suspend membership of those who act as Poland is presently doing and if a country is deemed by a majority of members to be a threat to the stability

Well at the moment there isn't and this would take a very long time to implement even IF it was on the agenda. You realize that MEPs come from both the center, right, far right, left, far left so passing such an article or amendment would be very difficult to say the least. Plus, that is very vague - in that case the EU would kick out Spain for 'threatening the stability of the Union.' If Poland WERE theoretically expelled, Poland can thank EU for the hundreds of billions they've spent into our infrastructure and say peace out. Then we can move forward with our 3 Seas partners, V4, China, United States, Turkey, etc.


UK has a total of 4 opt-outs - more than any EU member...

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Protecting your own borders and deporting people is not a violation of international law. You can send them to the country they originally filed their asylum status in, IF they have one. If not, you deport them.


Her words words clear and that sentence unedited - the same speech is available on youtube - ''Whoever wants to come here for economic reasons, you cannot stay long term'.... I don't know any other way to interpret that.... if she didn't want economic migrants she could have easily said 'whoever wants to come ehre for economic reasons, you will be sent back' instead of 'you cannot stay long term' - that literally means well if you come here for economic reasons, you can stay, but not long term.... its clear as day dude...


HAHAHAH just shows how little you know of Poland.... Yeah Poles REALLY were helped during and after ww2 and into the cold war... please!! Millions of Poles most certainly never filed 'millions' of refugee asylum claims... Most of the 'Polish Refugees' fled ON FOOT from gulags in USSR to places like Iran, India, etc.

If they file an asylum claim in Poland, and IF it is accepted, they yes they can stay - as a few Iraqi Christians have. However, most migrants/refugees aren't interested in Poland because of our 70 euro a month welfare - instead they prefer Germany and Sweden where the welfare payments are greater than any salary they'd make back home. They use to also seek Denmark until

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@Harry

The source has nothing to do with the fact that its a speech of Merkel.... whether it was CNN, BBC, Breitbart, etc it's the same freaken speech...

She clearly said two things in that speech:

'Refugees must be helped whether we want to or not'...

'Whoever wants to come here for economic reasons, you cannot stay long term, we cannot manage that' (meaning you can come, but you can't stay for long)

Besides, actions speak louder than words. She could have easily ordered the army to guard the borders and check everyone who is coming in to make sure they're a EU citizen and let those people pass and send the illegals back across the Mediterranean to whatever hell hole they came from. The EU migration law and more so enforcement are a joke. In most Muslim countries you can't even get a visa without a blood check - if you have any diseases BAM! you're kicked out... I have no clue why we don't do that to prevent people with HIV from coming in and overburdening our hospitals and infecting people...

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Yet earlier you just wrote: In 2004 the existing EU members were not obliged to take any workers from the accession countries. Existing EU members were allowed to decide on their own individual policies regarding restrictions which would remain in place until 2011. The UK and Ireland chose not to place any restrictions on the rights of workers from accession countries England and EU are two different things.... When I wrote 'So we're supposed to be thankful for this?' I was referring to England, not the EU. And no, we're not thankful to England. We came because there was work. We don't anything to them. It was simply a business transaction - money for labor.


Of course, and as we've discussed this before, thankfully, very few of them want to come to Poland. We don't have an issue with EU citizens coming to Poland - we have an issue with migrants being thrown inside our borders and we have no clue who they are, where they're from


Where exactly does it say in EU law that Poland has to accept migrants?
That is what the courts are discussing - although this issue is fading more and more as the unelected EU commissars like Junker realize that they can't force Poland to accept migrants - especially since Hungary and many other countries also don't want migrants in their countries and Polish citizens overwhelmingly support. In the worst case, we'll be fined 2 bil EU - (50 euro a Pole - 2 bil / 40 mil - pfffttt big deal) and even that 'threat' from months ago has since faded out. We are refusing to comply and they'd cant figure out how to make us - aside from threatening our voting rights which would require all EU members to unanimously vote to suspend - and Hungary has our back along with other countries. As we have said there is nothing worse the EU can do to Poland than force it to accept migrants. 75% of Poles don't want migrants from ME and Africa - we support our government in this regard. Both PO and PiS voters overwhelmingly reject forced quotas. Poles will win this battle - and even if we have to pay a 2 bil fine, 50 euros a Pole, to continue having ZERO Islamic terror attacks its a small price to pay. The EU really doesn't know how to handle this because the rise of the anti-migrant right is becoming stronger and stronger everyday - as this thread about Austria points out. Poland, Hungary, Czechy, Bulgaria, Romania, the Baltics, Austria, Slovakia, are all wary of accepting migrants from the EU. Czechy complied with a mere 100 individuals who they get to chose. The rest are saying no thanks and are standing up for their civilization and culture, refusing to be cucked by the EU's multikulti b.s.


You fail to realize that 80% of Poles want to stay in the EU. Logging and migrants are two of perhaps thousands of rules, regulations, laws that Poland follows - 2 that Poland disagrees with out of thousands. We comply with 99% of what the EU asks of us. And if a Polexit is in the works, time will only tell. At least we'll get to keep the hundreds of billions invested into Polish infrastructure.


Why not? England has in numerous instances. Oh wait I forgot, it's 'unique' right?


They have to make us. EU is unable to tell anyone what they 'have to do' without backing it up. Without enforcement, those words mean nothing. As we can see, this refusal to accept migrants has gone on since 2015 - and we've still not taken any in since then. They've threatened fines, suspension, and all sorts of nonsense - NONE of which stuck... Poles realize the EU is all bark and note bite.

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@Harry

Sure, read post 96 in this thread.

@mafketis
Merkel, and quite a lot of other Germans unfortunately, have this strange mentality as if they need to perpetually atone for WW2. She's said herself that Germany must accept refugees and help them 'due to our history' - referencing WW2 and the Nazis.

Then she goes back and forth between being pro-migrant or pro-border control all the time. A few months back she said that she won't accept any upper limit. "On the issue of an upper limit, my position is clear," Merkel said in an interview broadcast live on Germany's ARD on Sunday. "I won't accept one." Yet during her campaign she had a far more pro-border control, pro-German message. I hope she gets charged for treason against the German people.

We all know how the words refugee and migrant became totally interchangeable.... Now the word migrant is even more popular since the vast majority of the people who have come to Europe from ME and Africa aren't refugees but rather migrants. Less than 20% were found to be from places like Syria, Eritrea, Afghanistan, etc.

Now she further wants to spread Islam and force the citizens to accept that the invaders are here to stay - Taxpayer funded, government paid Muslim workers, counselors, translators, in schools, prisons, healthcare centers, etc. as if getting rid of pork in German schools and making everything halal wasn't enough...

Merkel: Give Turkey Billions More Euros to Keep Migrants out of Europe
breitbart.com/london/2017/10/23/merkel-turkey-billions-euros-asylum-seekers-europe
welt.de/newsticker/dpa_nt/infoline_nt/brennpunkte_nt/article169803320/Merkel-will-weitere-Milliarden-fuer-Fluechtlinge-in-der-Tuerkei.html

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@mafketis

No one wanted to help Italy and Greece when they asked for it. So they said screw it and let the migrants go further up north. Only to be exacerbated by Merkel's welcome to anyone who could make it to Germany.

Physically IMPOSSIBLE to deport 250,000 failed asylum seekers says Angela Merkel ally

GERMANY cannot possibly deport the estimated 250,000 failed asylum seekers who have entered the nation, Bavaria's leader has claimed.
express.co.uk/news/world/840173/angela-merkel-horst-seehofer-germany-deport-migrants-christian-social-union-asylum-seekers

Merkel says migrants must respect tolerance and German laws - she wouldn't be saying things like this if there wasn't clearly a problem with migrants assimilating being law abiding residents and assets to the society

reuters.com/article/us-germany-election-muslims/merkel-says-migrants-must-respect-tolerance-german-laws-idUSKBN1740PE

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@TheOther

Hence why money has been flowing into military spending ever since trump put Merkel in her place. If it wasn't for the US spending and backing, NATO would crumble. Quite sad that countries who are a part of NATO can't be bothered to spend the benchmark 2% on defense for their own citizens yet buy out 4 star hotels and rent cruise ships to house economic migrants

google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/03/19/trumps-right-about-germany-and-defense-but-not-about-the-economics-of-nato/amp

Oh lyzko, Germany can't assert itself in any other way besides economically and politically. They've lost the will to fight for the proud German civilization and you expect them to assert themselves on the world stage? Russia is about as wealthy as the state of Texas by itself yet they manage to keep everyone on their toes. Germany lost the will to do this after ww2. All they can do is complain that the wiser polish, Hungarian, etc leadership isn't taking their 'share of the burden' Germany is in Mali now, why and for what strategic purpose? Who knows... They're better off patrolling the Mediterranean or finding the next ghaddafi to lead libya

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@Atch

I'm aware that UK opened its labor market to poles. This was however AFTER the EU entry of Poland. So were supposed to be thankful for this? The uk took poles in bc they didnt want to work in their own fields and factories and other dirty jobs. Same reason as why americans allowed so many mexicans to come in. That's great uk decided to take in poles, don't expect us to do the same though... Unless youre a Ukrainian.. Muslim and african economic migrants need not apply.

@Tacitus
Well if they applied for refugee status in Poland like some Christian Iraqis did well take them. Otherwise don't ask us, Hungary, or any number of countries east of Germany to take in your migrants. You can keep then at your house. Were not interested. This isn't the international socialist and were not interested in your solidarity

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Actually Poles don't mind. We're not worried about Germany at all. We're far more concerned with Russia.

Besides, Merkel already agreed to it and money from Germany has been flowing in.

dw.com/en/chancellor-angela-merkel-backs-2-percent-of-gdp-nato-contribution/a-37716593
dw.com/en/germany-to-expand-bundeswehr-to-almost-200000-troops/a-37655018

If UK, Greece, Estonia, and Poland can do 2%, so can Germany.

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Awww how cute. Good parenting = )


That'd be nice... I think it'd be hardest to get Russia on board though...

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It's because of the whole 'six figure' notion... In fact $100k in a city like NYC, London, Paris, etc keeps your head above water if you're married and have kids.... and barely at that.. It's a good salary for a single person but imo not for a family in such an expensive city. You'd get a heck of a lot more out of $50k in Poland than $100k in London.

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I don't need to read a book on 1 negotiation to understand a timeline. It would've happened regardless - at worst not as quick. Poland's EU accension was a decade and a half long process from the late 80's/early 90s


Aside from France and Germany, there were 13 other EU members in 2003 prior to the A8's ascension. Nonetheless, all 15 signed the 2003 treaty.

Poland applied for EU membership in Athens in 1994.... then was confirmed by ALL members at the Essen summit later in 94.

This thread is about Austria anyway, not Poland's EU ascension...

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This says otherwise:

timesofisrael.com/germany-okayes-deal-to-sell-nuke-capable-submarines-to-israel

Germany also gave at least 3 dolphin class subs to Israel as a sort of 'gift' and also helped the country to establish its nuclear arsenal. You know, the one where no UN or IAEA inspector has been allowed to see. Meanwhile Iran has been lambasted nonstop despite being open with inspectors and found to be mostly compliant with the Obama-Iran deal. Germany has also helped Israel with its missile tech.


I bet the hundreds of women who were groped on NYE disagree. I bet the numerous migrant/refugee center workers who were assaulted disagree. I bet the women who were told to jog in pairs disagree considering the police and establishment are too inept to have realized what a flood of migrants from vastly different cultures and lands would entail and how to respond appropriately to protect the actual citizens...

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/police-women-run-pairs-jogger-raped-park-assault-leipzig-germany-a7929266.html
dw.com/en/german-police-we-cant-handle-refugee-numbers/a-18582235
spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful


Why is it a sham? So enforcing the 2% of GDP benchmark that NATO members agreed to is a sham? Protecting Europe against an invasion, especially from Russia, is a sham?

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The truth is that Germany was one of 15 current EU states that signed the 2003 Treaty of Accession. It was signed and ratified by ALL 10 acceding states and all 15 Member States of the European Union.

Poland's entry into the EU and closer ties with Western Europe were being discussed as early as the 1990's - almost immediately after the downfall of the PRL. In 1991 Poland was already a formal associate of the EU and in 94 was a member of the EEC. In 1997, EU accepted the EC's opinion to invite Poland among other nations to start talks on their accession to the EU. Negotiations began in 98 and was made official with the signing of the Treaty of Accession. So no, Germany was absolutely not the only responsible party for bringing Poland in. This was a process that took place over 20 years between Poland and the EU community at large - not just Germany.


Still would've happened.... This was an agreement between the existing EU at the time and 8 countries wishing to join all at the same time. Maybe Germany helped speed it up at best, but they certainly weren't the ones responsible for Poland, or 7 other countries, joining in. It was an agreement between the existing EU, Germany being one of a dozen or so members, and the 8 wishing to join. This process was set in motion in Poland, like I wrote above, already in the 90s with consecutive treaties and summits deepening Poland's integration with the EU from the 90's with being an associate EU member and EEC member to becoming a formal EU member in 04 (actually almost a year earlier in may 03 when the treaty of accession made it official)


Being the tie breaking vote and being the sole responsible party for 8 countries' EU ascension are totally different things. Poland began to deepen ties with the EU/EEC/etc as early as the late 80's early 90's.

Here's a good summary of events:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etapy_integracji_Polski_z_Uni%C4%85_Europejsk%C4%85