Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]

@Harry

Right. Then why aren't english speaking it pros switching to tutoring and translating? 15k zl for a translator is laughable. That just shows how little you know about polish society, considering you don't speak polish and aren't a citizen it's understandable

Again the thread is about teachers, not translators or tutors.

Omg that's a good one rofl. Over 1k USD a week for a english/polish translator job in Poland. Oh man that's rich. Show me two sources that show even 10k... most translators are making 5k 6k z s a year, not 10k 15k and that's a fact.

Yes. 50z an hour/45 min part time. No tutor is able to fill a full 40 hour week every month all with tutoring lessons. Considering people work or are students most tutoring sessions take place around the students time not the tutors, which would be either before/after work/school and weekends, unless they have a contract to tutor several people at a business or corp amd even only the person/business owner receiving the contract is making the money.

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

Hahaha even left meaning ABC reporting on Poland defeating eu with the migration issue

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/leader-poland-won-migration-dispute-eu-51137933

Also fox/ap

foxnews.com/world/2017/11/14/leader-says-poland-has-won-its-migration-dispute-with-eu.html

Eu diktats mean little for Poland Hungary czech Slovakia etc. The unelected eu commission is only furthering the divide of eastern and western europe

"Poland today is seen as a country free from (islamic) terrorism."

Thanks we poles and our democratically elected, most popular party with double pos approval rating prefer to keep it that way regardless of what the eu does

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]

@polishinvestor

That's what I'm saying it's a noble career world over but in pl the financial incentives simply aren't there. In us China Japan Korea Kuwait Saudi Germany France teaching English is a good paying job by oecd orcs and local standards, not so much in pl

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]

@Harry

So we've gone from 120 zl for 90 to 60 for 45 lol. Except No one advertises those rates. Also.good luck getting say 6 7 students with 1 to 2 he tutoring all to fill 7 8 hours perfectly in a day let alone everyday during a work week. Simply impossible. Unless someone is billing biz and corporations say 20 bucks an hour he which is entirely possible for translator but not a tutor of students.

Face it Harry the most u can earn is 4 5 6k zl and besides even 8k ain't **** for warsaw. After taxes you're left for looking at a 3k z a month place unless ur operating illegally... Google in wroclaw pays even lower level sales reps $2k USD a month plus commission which is another 500, 1k, 2k per month as generally a good rep will.make 50%-100%+ of his or her salary in commission. Same w it pros. They make 10k 12k even as high as 20k zl a month. Unfortunately you can't make even 10k which is pretty much where an upper middle class existence starts for a single person and middle class for household income of 10k of say 2 adults n 1 kid and even that will b hard once the kid goes to college

Again were talking about mainly teachers not translators or tutors. The op is asking whether teaching in pl is a good career move. Financially, it is a terrible one as teaching grade school or high school in pl is a very low paying job by oecd standards. And even for.locals it's not much mone

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]

@mafketis

100% accurate actually. Its in a way the same w those who went to UK after 04 but less so than us

Also id love for English teachers to be paid more in pl or teachers for that matter. I'd teach English myself in pl if the wages were on par with other countries. Teaching is a noble profession imo, but it is what it is... in pl grade n high school teachers simply aren't at the top of totem pole

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]

actually nvm I think dougs rate was closer to $12 - like 50 zl an hour...

as you can see, no one charges 120 zl for 90 mins which would be 80 zl for 60 mins - more than $20....

The highest rate here is $20 USD with others being between $5, $7, $10, $14, $15 etc an hour...

preply.com/en/skype/polish-tutors

Only specialists like for 'business english' would be able to command a $20+ hr rate...

Ask any Polish citizen if they think grade school/high school teachers, including so called native English teachers, are paid well and you'll get your answer.


2.5k to 4k zloty at the very most is what a native English teacher can expect in a Polish grade school/high school regardless of whether its TEFL or someone else placing you. The wages are what they are...

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]

Of course, with that I agree - 120 is a bit steep for 90 mins but its in the ballpark. However, those tutors are perhaps doing a few tutoring sessions a week - certainly not all day, one after the other constantly, all week/month/year long.... To make 2k USD a month you'd have to be a full time tutor and make sure you have at least 30-35 hours of sessions billed at 70 zl per hour - which does not happen as most tutors are teachers who tutor on the side and will spend perhaps 5-10 hours a week tutoring, not 30-40 unless there's some sort of circumstance where they're perhaps a 'business english' tutor/teacher - which generally yes command higher wages than grade school teaches, albeit still small...

If I remember correctly from Dougpol's ad, he charges something like 70 zl for an hour of English tutoring so 120 zloty is about right for a 90-120 min session. However, teachers do tutoring and translating on the side to make ends meet. There are very few people doing private English tutoring as a full time job as you simply wouldn't fill 40 hours a week with only tutoring lessons 1-2 hours a time per student at most 2-3x a week.

First off, if a person is tutoring for a living, they'd be a tutor, not an English teacher which is what this thread is about. The title is 'native English looking for a TEACHING job in Poland.' I pointed out that native English teachers are paid peanuts in Poland - which is fact and backed up by sources which give a ballpark of 500-1k usd - with far more making closer to $700 $800 a month than $1.5-$2k a month.

And still... even at the nearly impossible $2k a month which could only be earned by a grade/high school teacher if managed to spend an extra 15-20 hours a week ON TOP of their day and were able to fill up at least 15 hours a week at 70 zl per hr. Only then, assuming your salary from a grade school is 4k zl which is at the very high end, plus the other 4k you'd make from supposed 15 hour a week/70 pl per hr tutoring, would you be at your 8k zl/bit over $2k usd a month

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]


ROFL.... 99% of Polish grade/high school teachers including 'native English teachers' make under $2k a month...

So you're claiming that the countless esl//tefl related websites and Polish sites which are all saying the averages are closer to $500-$1k a month, are all wrong,... that grade school teachers make $2k... lololol and the only teachers that work 4 hours a day are professors... not grade/high school teachers as grading, office hours, plus class tiem easily take over 40 hours a week - just read delphs diary for exmaple

wynagrodzenia.pl/artykul/zarobki-polskich-nauczycieli
From 2011 - chart shows 1500 to 3000 zloty

Od 1 września 2015 r. minimalne stawki wynagrodzenia nauczycieli będą wynosiły od 1 513 do 3 109 zł. Średnie wynagrodzenie wyniesie od 2 718 do 5 000 zł. Identyczne stawki obowiązują w tym roku

portalsamorzadowy.pl/edukacja/minimalne-stawki-wynagrodzenia-nauczycieli-od-wrzesnia-2015-r,70867.html

Not to mention the TEFL sites clearly stating that earnings are closer to $500-$1K USD

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]


That fact is teacher are paid peanuts in Poland - even in countries with a lower average national GDP per capita than Poland pay English teachers more - like China for example... Grade school teachers are basically are compensated a bit higher than the minimum wage which is around $450 while a 'native english' teacher makes around $1k at the most...1k is considered a high wage for a grade school teacher and would most likely only be given to someone with many years experience, a school in a city like warsaw, Wroclaw, etc. Most are given closer to 2.5k, 3k, 3.5k zl

Average Pay‎: ‎$500 - $900 USD per month
tefljobplacement.com/teach-english-in-poland

Your salary and working conditions will vary from school to school but typically you can expect to be paid an average salary of 2,500 PLN (£430) a month for teaching English in Poland

tefl.org.uk/blog/2012/march/teaching-english-in-poland

I know enough about teaching in Poland considering there are 3 teachers in my family. As far as the 2 professors, the wife still teaches Sanskrit and Indian history/culture, the husband has since gone into the private sector as even with 2 professors salary, raising a child and sending them to a good school once their an adult would be a challenge. Even their German colleagues, also professors, are paid 3-4x as much as the Polish. The professors get respect in Poland - no doubt. However, grade school and high school teachers in general, but even more so 'native' English teachers, get more respect than say a Ukrainian taxi driver but less than a foreign IT pro from India or wherever.

Teachers are paid very well in places like US and pretty decently in Germany, UK, etc. Definitely not Poland though. Actually, on average, wages for English teachers in grade schools are higher in China, S. Korea, Russia etc even than Poland. No one cares about English teachers in Poland.

Like I said, if you're willing to earn beer money while you're young and if you want to travel Europe its not a bad career. But for an adult - no way. Idk how a grown man could manage to provide and support for a family for $1k USD a month.

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]

oh and also a cousin who teaches in a little rural school about a half hour outside of Wroclaw... and even in her like kindergarten or 1st grade or whatever she teaches there's a Chinese girl who is more than welcomed - Poles just are weary of Merkel's 'burden' ... she makes peanuts just like every PL grade school teacher but at least in Wroclaw the wages are amongst the highest in average in PL

a better job is studying criminal justice to work in a jail like another cousin is doing. after 15 years you are retired and receive a pension

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]


It is fact that English teachers and in fact all high school/grade school teachers make pennies in Poland. $1k a month (around 3700 z's depending on exchange) is considered a pretty middle salary for a teacher. Very rarely do they make beyond 5k 6k gross unless they are at the very top of their field and at a top school.. And as far as getting respect, well, most of them wouldn't understand what the kids and others say about them anyways. Teaching isn't considered the noble career it is in the west - not for grade school and high school anyway. For professors yes, but even they make very little money even by PL standards. I have 2 professors in my family (married couple) I'm well aware of the situation.

Travel / Recommendations for a 4-6 days visit in Poland in February '17 [14]

Imo krakow and zakopany are must do's for a first time traveller to pl.. Gdansk is pretty too tho but it's more of a place you'd want to go in summer

Work / Cost of living in Gdańsk, average salary for experienced software engineer in Poland [64]

My cousin is vegetarian you won't have problems finding a few vegetarian dishes at each restaurant but as far as vegan lol good luck w that in pl

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]


I never said that English teachers in Poland are losers - what I stated is that in Polish society they are at the bottom of the social totem pole and often considered losers. That's different from me saying straight up like 'Teacher in PL are losers.' Nonetheless, it is known they get slightly more respect than say a Ukrainian taxi driver.

Jobs and careers are treated differently from country to country, culture to culture. For example, a garbagemen in the US is a quite well paid blue collar union type of job. Some garbagemen may make even up to 70-100k a year. On the other hand, garbagemen in India are paid pennies and generally belong to the 'dalit' or 'untouchables' caste.

In Poland, grade/high school teachers simply don't receive the type of respect nor do they have the same financial security when compared to other Western nations.

I'm simply stating facts, it's not meant to be an insult.

Work / Native English looking for a teaching job in Poland [135]


Don't do it. The people from Western countries i.e. US/UK/etc who come to Poland to teach 'native English' are considered losers by Polish society. Not only do they make peanuts, but they don't get any respect. Teachers, especially grade school and high school, are low on the social totem pole in Poland. Professors are more respected but still have rather low wages, especially compared to teachers/professors in the West. Unless you're planning to make a beer money salary and just travel around Europe and have fun for a few years, being a teacher in some Polish grade school/high school is a terrible career move.

The only way you could potentially make a middle income salary is maybe by teaching like business, IT or more advanced English for professionals and offering translation services. Even then though, you'll make a fraction of what an Indian dude in IT makes. You may even end up washing cars or cleaning toilets on the side just to make ends meet.

Work / Cost of living in Gdańsk, average salary for experienced software engineer in Poland [64]

@SKQA

You can find out the remaining questions on your own. You will not be able to save 7k pln out of 12k gross unless you plan to live in a cardboard box or homeless shelter. At most you'll save 3-4k pln and that's stretching it esp if you have a wife that isn't working.

Your income tax deduction I believe will be around 20% if no ZUS, and around 35% if you're paying for ZUS.

Work / Cost of living in Gdańsk, average salary for experienced software engineer in Poland [64]

@SKQA

12k zl is a very good salary by PL standards.... you'll be not only able to afford a comfortable existence for you and your wife (with a kid though it may be a bit harder if you're the sole bread winner) and will even be able to put aside some savings each month... rents/bills start out at around 2.5k zl for a cheap place in the city and go up from there... you can get a very nice place for 3.5k-4.5k zl


In general, the tricity area is far safer than London.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]


They are fulfilling their electoral promises. Poles liked what PiS campaigned on and that's why they won. Also, they were sick of the scamming EU kowtowing PO - ESPECIALLY with the whole migrant issue which Poles overwhelmingly reject. If PO stood up to the EU and didn't kowtow to their demand to take in migrants they would've performed far better in the elections.

The way PiS is changing the courts isn't that dissimilar to how other courts in OECD nations are ran. The KODerasts are using lefty German media and Soros affiliated NGOs to portray the democratically elected government and country into a place like Iraq under Hussein which is the furthest from the truth. There is no danger to the rule of law. If you want to talk about problems with rule of law go to France which has been in a state of emergency for over 2 years thanks to the Muslim burden/cultural enrichment. Poland continues to have a respectable freedom index - higher than that of many other EU countries like Greece, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Croatia, etc and not too far away from France, UK, Austria, Italy, etc so please stop the exaggerations. We all know how much 5th column LBHs, zaKODowani traitors, and Soros & CO funded NGO's love to diminish Poland's standing and clout by exaggerating the facts. Reporters without borders (a lefty source) - still shows Poland is on par with countries like France, UK, Italy, etc. rsf.org/en/ranking


I'm unhappy with certain things that PiS has done too - like their attempt to make abortions even more restrictive. Nonetheless, when citizens complain and rally due to some decision by PiS, they frequently change course - such as Duda's vetos. Nonetheless, they remain more than twice as popular, according to CBOS, as PO. Poles have gotten a taste of EU allied elites running property and investment scams, complaining that Poles don't make enough money and hence don't give the government enough tax revenue, on top of allowing a few thousand migrants to come in has caused them to lose the election.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

@SigSauer

The only country allowed to do that without any criticism in the western world is Israel. Israel even refuses to give citizenship to children of Filipino and other migrants on Israeli soil. Instead they wish to deport 1200 non Jewish children born in Israel because they wish to preserve their Jewish state.

Well poles have decided that we want to preserve our Catholic polish state. Once liberals drop their hypocrisy of accepting some cultures while hating Christian European culture we can all get along.

Also maf the answer is simple. Much like other European and Latino immigrants, we came to.the us make money. Europeans and Latinos have a much higher ambition amd desire to work hence why they tend to have a higher net worth than Americans born in the us especially blacks and some groups of whites

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

@mafketis

I wasn't aware that you were a polish speaking, polish citizen. If that's thr case congrats, you're not a 'loser back home'

What am I doing in Poland? Gradually preparing for a comfortable European retirement in my motherland

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

And besides.. If I never been to Poland and wasn't polish, it's still polish people's country. Poles decided not to take in muslims, elect a nationalist government for presidency and majority of parliament which continues to have double the support of losers PO, and decided to host marches on independence day where they exclaim their love of Poland and desire to keep it a polish country. Shouts of God, honor country and Poland for poles can be heard in any major polish city. If you respect foreign cultures and are truly a multiculturalist you'll respect the wishes of polish citizens. Otherwise you are against thr Democratic wishes and Democratic elections of the people

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

@mafketis

I spend a several months every year or two in poland, including most recently this summer and ahain fkr xmas, am a citizen, own property with a second on the way, speak polish and sure as hell pay more taxes than any LBH 'native English teacher' rofl

It is moj kraj unlike non citizen non poles. I actually create jobs in poland, do you?

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

So? We don't want Muslims. Nasz kraj nasz zasady. Some people will voice more extreme opinions. Its merely a reaction - extreme Muslims declared a jihad on European christians, nationalists are declaring a counter jihad. The fact remains the vast majority of poles don't want migrants and we won't be told what to do by the eu and non poles who seek to ruin our perfect record of ZERO Islamic terror attacks. We don't want em they can go elsewhere. There's plenty of cucked countries West of Poland that don't mind constant terror attacks, putting up non citizen illegal migrants in 4 star hotels and cruise ships, skyrocketing rapes of European women and other forms of cultural enrichment.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

@Dougpol1

Still better than Islamic terror

That's fine a ton of poles from uk and us, ukranians, educated Indians esp in it, Chinese and koreans, as well as other Europeans keep coming in.

The courts weren't that much different before 2015 for ordinary ppl so plz spare me the bs it was the same bureaucracy

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]


Many people from western Europe especially seniors vacation in Poland and an increasing amount are buying homes to retire because they don't have to deal with the BS and crime/terror and its much cheaper.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

@Lyzko

That's true.. many Jews fought for Germany during WW1 and even before that

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]


No, he is agreeing with the route the government and citizens of Poland have chosen.

Work / Information about jobs for Indian students in Poland [286]

The reason why so many Indians come to Poland is simply because of money. An MBA in India makes 3 lakh a month - about $1,500. In Poland, an IT pro (or MBA) can easily land a 10k zloty+ a month gig. Plus, they'll then have EU citizenship and can go across the border into Germany and now land a 10k USD a month job after say 5-7-10+ years IT experience

News / Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor [403]

@WielkiPolak

No they're not orthodox Jews but nonetheless hasidic/orthodox conservative and even reform all use the same scriptures namely the Talmud Torah and some get into kabbalah. According Jewish law it is permissible to have sex with a child and non Jewish women are nothing more than shiksa - that is goy ******. A jew is allowed to kill them and their life is worth only a fraction of the Jews (source :Talmud, sannhedrin)

Man I should've been born Jewish. Then I could say I'm not an *******/racist/xenophobic/homophobic I'm just Jewish and no one could say sh1t lol.

News / Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor [403]


True. It's part media, part control of the government. Also, the Jews aren't bothering people with marching down the street with Talmudic Law 4 UK signs nor are they circumcising British goy soldiers in the streets, groping random women, nor are they committing record levels of crime, terror, etc. The Orthodox keep to themselves, are polite to outsiders, and generally just don't get involved. However, many Jews especially in France are now leaving for Israel because of increased racial tensions between Muslims and religious yarmulke/kippah wearing Jews along with Israel's subsidized housing in the illegal settlements.


They proselytize to OTHER Jews not to goys, urging them to be more religious, vote a certain way (for Trump among the Orthodox communities), etc. Converts to Judaism aren't regarded as 'real Jews' - except for perhaps in the most liberal reform sects... especially if they don't have a Jewish mom..

UNLIKE Muslims, who demand conversion, death, or money for not being a Muslim (most would call that extortion). Ask even 'conservative' Muslims - meaning not totally radical and extreme, but religious and they'll tell you that they desire Islam to be spread all over the world and for sharia law to be the law of the land. In countries like Egypt, Niger, Afghanistan, the majority of the population supports Sharia laws, separation of women and men, and other ideas that are against western liberal values. That's why they must GO if they're not going to abide by European society's laws and customs.

I remember when an old Jewish family friend was all sick and started spending thousand of dollars in donations planting trees and shrubs in Israel because he thought that would atone for his sins lol.

Miles off topic, stick to the thread title please