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Atch   
5 May 2015
Law / Advice on starting an international/British school in Warsaw, Poland [26]

May the Lord give me patience and strength! Two separate issues: funding, educational philosophy. First Issue: The Polish Ministry of Education will give funding to private schools so it's worth contacting them. If he never asks them for money, they won't give him any. Second issue: decide on an ethos for school. Choose an approach, find teachers trained in it. Bob's your uncle!
Atch   
5 May 2015
Law / Advice on starting an international/British school in Warsaw, Poland [26]

Yes, Yogabbagabba, of course that's the business plan bit and the venture must demonstrate to potential investors that it can be financially successful. Indeed a good many of my comments have pointed that out to him already. If you'd read my 'essay' and other comments attentively young man you would have noticed this. However, the guy says he has a 'dream' and he's idealistic about education, so I, as an experienced teacher, who shares his passion for a child-centred approach, was addressing some of those issues.

By the way if you want some hard figures, I did a bit of googling and pretty quickly found reliable stats from 2003. At that time the Polish government was willing to grant around 200PLN per month, per child to private schools. On average they were contributing between 20 and 40 per cent of running costs. It's very basic stuff really. Fees, minus staffing, loan repayments for the initial building and equipping costs, insurance, rates, utilities,wear and tear to equipment, building maintenance, ongoing development and expansion. Can he make a living? End of story.

The educational philosophy bit is a completely separate issue but it's a relevant one because parents at an expensive private school generally expect their children to be prepared for further education,often regardless of the child's academic ability. If he's trying to deliver core subjects to a level that will gain good results in public exams, but envisages a no homework policy and minimal grading system in his school, he really needs to know whathe's at, otherwise his school can go down the tubes pretty quickly.
Atch   
5 May 2015
Law / Advice on starting an international/British school in Warsaw, Poland [26]

Mark there's nothing wrong with having a dream as long as you temper it with common sense, realism and a bit of humility. Otherwise it's destined to remain only a dream and never become a reality.

To get back to your original query about funding, Roger5 was right that you won't get the info you need on any internet forum. The kind of information you need is simply not widely available to the public. The first thing you need to do is to write to the Polish ministry of education, just a brief letter stating your interest in possibly establishing a school and asking for information about funding and regulations. Bear in mind that they are unlikely to have anything prepared on paper which they can send you so they may simply ignore your letter. Depending on their response, or lack of it, you should write again and request a meeting. I strongly advise you at this initial stage, not to suggest a school ranging from pre-school to secondary as this concept will be way too much for them to grasp. Keep it simple. Choose either a primary/elementary or secondary. Bear in mind that pre-schools may come under a completely separate funding/regulatory scheme. In Ireland for example pre-schools are funded by the Dept of Health and Children, not by the Dept of Education.

As for banks, unless you have a very impressive background in education, or a partner with such, and an equally impressive business plan, it's very unlikely that they will back you. If you had money of your own to invest or if another investor was willing to back you, they might risk matching what you're putting in but you will not get millions out of any bank to fund your Utopian vision of a child-centred school.

I'm not sure what your teaching background is, but I sense a lack of solid training and experience. Mark, it is simply not possible to invent your own teaching methodology by cobbling together the best bits of several existing ones, not least because many educational philosophies which have similarities to each other, always have fundamental differences which make them diametrically opposed to each other and they simply do not work together. You're also talking about a vague, ill-formed concept of a child centred philosophy which you want to carry through from ages 3 to 18. Mark, it takes a lifetime of work with hundreds of children if not thousands of children to create such a thing. These things evolve over many years. They can't be created by building a beautiful campus and then saying 'ok children, here's your Paradise, go and flourish'. If you were an experienced teacher you would know this.

You mentioned a 'medium' sized school but then say you want to incorporate a pre-school, primary and secondary. Look, I've been teaching children for nearly twenty years and I've seen first-hand, just as an ordinary teacher, the practical difficulties of managing and funding even a relatively small school (the smallest I taught in was a State primary school with only 100 children). You're effectively talking about setting up, managing and funding three schools at once. You need suitably qualified and experienced staff for each and a director/principal for each but that's the least of your worries. How many children in each and how many staff? What will the fees be and what will the staffing costs be? Schools are not generally profit-making businesses and the possibility of repaying millions in loans/giving investors a profit-share whilst still covering your running costs is most unlikekly.

Here's an example of how people really do these things. The Hershey Montessori school in the USA is one of the few in America that offers Montessori through from pre-school to secondary. It started in 1978 with just a pre-school and finally added the secondary level over 20 years later. It's non-profit making. Another example is the first Montessori secondary school in America, the Montessori Farm School. It was founded by Dr Ursula Thrush in the 1970s, only after she'd established a pre-school and primary/elementary school and they had become fully self-funding with no grants or state assistance. Although she was an amazing educator neither the secondary nor the elementary schools survived although the pre-school she founded still remains.

So Mark, what I'm saying is, modify your dreams somewhat, reduce the scale of the proposed project to manageable size, read about what other people have done and how they've gone about creating their schools, learn from the experiences of others. When you have a realistic plan and a good tight business plan, then give it a go by all means.
Atch   
3 May 2015
Law / Advice on starting an international/British school in Warsaw, Poland [26]

'Bound to be successful' is a big claim Mark. Can you demonstrate this to potential investors in a business plan? Also, unless they're philanthropists, what's in it for them financially? They will want a return on their investment. A Steiner school is a no-no. You'll never find enough teachers trained in the Steiner method, and it doesn't extend to secondary level. The Montessori approach does, but generally only works well with children who've gone through the Montessori elementary system first and have the level of independent learning skills, literacy and numeracy to pursue a Montessori curriculum. I'm a Montessori teacher myself by the way. Anyway Montessori schools are supposed to be based in rural areas and incorporate either a farm or co-operative business venture for the students to run, and they are ideally boarding schools. A wooly idea of a Montessori/Steiner type school is not a good starting point for a business. But anyway, why don't you sit down and work out a proper budget and see what this project would actually cost. I think you'll be mildly horrified to tell you the truth.
Atch   
29 Apr 2015
Law / Advice on starting an international/British school in Warsaw, Poland [26]

You seem to be talking about a secondary school? I imagine it would be very hard to get any significant government funding for a private school. If you're talking about finding land, then presumably you would be looking at building. Rather over ambitious I would say. As for regulations etc your best bet is probably to contact the British Council in Warsaw or similar. Starting a school of the size and scope you're suggesting is a massive undertaking and seems very unrealistic but you might be able to start something very small and expand.
Atch   
17 Apr 2015
Love / Are Polish men chauvinistic? [35]

Manchun, you are being quite reasonable in expecting to hear from your boyfriend. It's just basic manners for him to send you a message to let you know he got there safely. This is not 'chauvinistic' behaviour. This is just plain thoughtless and uncaring. Not acceptable. You need to decide if you want to continue to be involved with this guy.
Atch   
7 Apr 2015
Work / Job Security in Poland [6]

Hi Amit. Yes, your three month probationary period means that they can let you go after that time if they're not happy with you. But that's a pretty standard clause in many employment contracts worldwide, not just Poland. However I would say that in general Polish employers don't have the best reputation for how they treat staff, but of course it varies.

There's a forum called 4programmers.net. It's a Polish site. Register with them. Go to the section marked Praca (that's Polish for work) and start a thread same as you did here. The site is all in Polish I think but a lot of these guys know English so I'm sure you'll get some response. Also there is a Poland Forum member called Monitor who seems to be very knowledgeable about the IT business so you could send him a PM.
Atch   
4 Apr 2015
Work / Job Security in Poland [6]

Amit, it would depend to some extent on your contract of employment. I presume it's a fixed term contract and not a permanent position? Is there a trial period, for example does your contract specify that they can fire you after 3 months if they're not happy with you etc. Try asking on a forum for Polish programmers/IT workers. Many of them speak English so you should get some response to your query. They will have a realistic answer for you as they work in the industry.
Atch   
3 Apr 2015
Real Estate / Advice Needed Second-hand Apartment Prices Warsaw (Praga) - Asking Price v Sale Price [6]

Thanks very much guys. Very interesting. I personally love Praga, and am sad to see that over the years since I was first there, there have been many changes, not for the better. Beautiful old trees cut down, gardens removed to make paved parking spaces, even some lovely old houses knocked to build very bog standard new developments. The impression I get from Polish people that I've spoken to is that they prefer to buy something new and they like to see the neighbourhood looking more modern. Upwardly mobile younger Poles seem to associate the older buildings with communism, poverty etc.

Long term I think the older housing stock is a great investment because at some point in the future, Poles will start to value what they have in the few parts of the old city that remain.
Atch   
1 Apr 2015
Real Estate / Advice Needed Second-hand Apartment Prices Warsaw (Praga) - Asking Price v Sale Price [6]

Hi all. Am looking at Praga Poludnie, older pre-war places. Prices seem very high. I appreciate that Praga is part of 'old' Warsaw and has romantic associations but I don't think that really means much to locals, to be honest, so I can't imagine them paying a premium for a pre-war building. The price per square metres at the Plac Szembeka end of Praga seems to be around 7,500 per square metres. Are apartments really fetching that kind of price or going for a lot less?