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What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]
don't try to pretend that you're walking away as the person with the superior or more convincing argument.
Of course, that`s what I did. I said it was senseless trying to convince you with reasonable arguments because your point of view is too idealistic while we should talk about hard core realistic politics where there is no mercy for the weak, but they are devoured, in parts or whole. But wise elites, having good resources, are able to prevent it happening. With such resources as Poland used to have in the past, allowing it to be partitioned was unheard-of an event in the history of Europe.
Two more words: I hope you never become a leader of any country. That would be a disaster for it. (But I wouldnt` mind if you became the leader of North Korea :):):) )
Another one, Mr Idealist: How about Poland on her own successfully and permanently conqeuring Russia in 17 century ( there was a close one when Poles occupied Moscow for a year) or together with Napoleon in 19 century? Today, would you participate in a Russian forum, bashing Poles for unfair partitions and occupation of Russia??? :):):)
Ironside: Well put Dan. I can learn form you the art of clear reasoning .
Thanks for the vote of confidence mate.
Joke. :):)
Yeah, poles asked for partitions...
In a way, yes, we can say so. Poles, by allowing their country to go down to the dogs, asked their neighbours to first control, then invade and occupy Poland. You`d better do some reading, it might prove useful, e.g., start with the political preachings of Father Piotr Skarga from late 16 century, which preceded partitions by almost 200 years:
culture.pl/en/artist/jan-matejko
A 17th century political treatise, Piotr Skarga's Parliamentary Sermons inspired Matejko to paint a picture with Skarga, a Jesuit and court preacher of King Sigismund III, as its main protagonist. The scene shows Skarga condemning the lawlessness and egoism of nobility and magnates the way he did in the Parliamentary Sermons and calling for action to save the country from total anarchy. The warning proved futile, and Skarga's prophetic vision got fulfilled in the late 18th century, partition treaties deleting Poland from the map of Europe and its territory divided between Russia, Prussia and Austria.
Skarga is remembered by Poles as a vigorous early advocate of reforms to the Polish-Lithuanian polity and as a critic of the Commonwealth's governing classes. He advocated the strengthening of the monarch's power at the expense of Sejm, magnates and szlachta.As a patriot
Poland was unlucky to have had plenty of such patriots. They cried out loud about golden freedom and rights, but refused to pay taxes for the efficient army and when disaster struck, they claimed it wasn`t their fault but neighbours`. Such is your pathetic patriotism.
