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It is indeed. We're truly fortunate to retire in a country such as Poland.

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You're right. That's why I boast of the regular polls, the 2015 election, the healthy economy, the 500 zl program, the Nov 11 march, flipping the bird to the EU, the governments video driving the point to all of Europe and the rest of the world that they were right about defying the EU with migrants, AND the fact that CBOS, other stats agencies, AND LASTLY even media show what Polish society, Polish people, the Polish nation wants - and it is not multiculturalism and their Christian Polish society to be threatened...i.e. the things related to this thread

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16 years ago...before even EU entry...


Dougpol just said that he doesn't in an earlier thread

Also, if I remember correctly you also stated that you are a EU resident but not PL citizen (like jon and I discussed in the past) and hence can participate in local elections.

Regardless, great, now you can vote for changes. As a voter in a democratic society, you must then respect the wishes of the majority of voters. If you disagree with the party in charge, fine. Nonetheless, that is the people Polish voters chose. Furthermore, even as a voter, you cannot change the society, culture, traditions, etc. of the nation. That is up to its people to carry it on and something the Polish people have very dear to them due to their history.

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Like UK and the Bank of England??

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UNLIKE you 'WE' have citizenship. In the eyes of our constitution and democratic system, the tens of millions of Polish voters and citizens, like myself, have a higher stake in the country. Polish people can wipe their collective butt with the taxes from your 20 zloty an hour 'native english' tutoring.


Right Harry, November 11 proves otherwise. Along with PiS being in charge, our laws and constitution, Polish traditions, culture, worldview, CBOS statistics, etc etc etc etc,

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He's a Hungarian Jew. Exactly, Hungary is a very peaceful country. Israel on the other hand is bombing Palestinian schools and has dozens of UN resolutions against it for bombing colleges, markets, etc.


No he just helped himself to his fellow Jews' stuff because someone would've taken it anyway. His words.

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'... people were being shipped off to death camps...you went with this protector and helped with the confiscation of jewish property:

Soros: Yes, that's correct.

'that sounds like something that would sned a person to the psychiatric couch, was it difficult?'

Soros: No, no (smiling) not at all. those were my formative years. I learned to anticipate events..

'so no feeling of guilt?'

Soros: No, because if I wouldn't of taken it (the jewish property) someone else would have - much like the markets.

youtube.com/watch?v=HXqty2rkUDY

Evil scumbag. People all over the world will celebrate once his day finally comes. Certainly in Poland and Hungary they will at least and perhaps the dozens of other countries he's ruined or attempted to. It's all a game to him. He says this openly in the interview. he doesn't care who gets killed, who's house is taken away, whether a civil war ignites, as long as he can push subversive organizations to cause turmoil so he can profit off currency shorts.

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Yes, Soros interview with 60 minutes. Soros said he had NO PROBLEM with appropriating his fellow Jew's stuff. He said it didn't bother him and stated they were among his happiest days.

Plus the fact that he financed the revolution Ukraine which led to thousands dead, a country in turmoil, civil war, a Russian invasion, etc. All he knows is how to screw up societies, make entire countries unstable, and cause the currency to crash so he can make a huge profit through shorting. It's been the same MO for decades - in czechy, kyrgystan, Georgia, Ukraine, and all over Europe and especially former USSR states and the satellite countries.. we're not gonna let it happen in Poland or Hungary. Now he's trying to Islamize Europe, push multiculturalism, subvert democratically elected governments - all while profiting off discord, turmoil, causing poverty amongst the middle class and poor as he did in Asia and England, and especially civil wars.

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Poles have a loooong memory. They're not the types to let bygones be bygones. They'll remember these MEPs treason forever. Same with PO's when they kowtowed to the EU against the wishes of the majority of the Polish citizens. They've NEVER recovered since then and won't for years and years. Their popularity has been at a low for months this year - they're averaging 1/3 to 1/2 of PiS support according to CBOS, thenews, even wyborcza, etc.

PiS screwed up a few times like by trying to pass the abortion ban and perhaps changing the courts too fast. They corrected course and Polish citizens appreciated that. PO did NOT do that. They stuck by the migrant quotas despite all the protests and majority of PL citizens being against it. They didn't apologize for the tapes and whenever the society was against something PO was doing (often bc they were told by their EU handlers what to do) and PL citizens were against it they passed it anyway. Poles view PiS as the party that fights for Poland and Polish citizens PO is viewed as friends of globalists, EU, Zionists, MNC's, etc. Poles don't trust PO. Yes, the economy grew under their watch but the average Pole didn't see a significant rise in their income. The educated and younger generations perhaps, but most youth especially young males are firmly in PiS/Kukiz and right wing nationalistic camp.


Yup. But Poles won't be cucked. Our religion, our identity, our country is more important to us than anything else. Nov 11 every year proves that, Christ being official King of Poland proves that, PiS being the most popular party proves that. We don't have gay marriage, we are against being an immigrant society, and we aim to keep the country homogenous, conservative, and traditional. That's why the EU, their Zionist partners, the globalists, Merkel, etc. hate our resistance so much. It's not that Poland is resisting - but it's the symbolism which shows other countries can resist the EU too! Certainly that is happening with right wing governments being elected all over Eastern Europe. Heck even in Germany AfD kicked major ass. Poland, Czechy, Slovakia, Hungary, and Austria all have anti-migrant EU-skeptic parties in charge. We're not going to allow the EU to change our society by force. Trump came to Poland asking if we have the will to fight for our civilization and society - and we Poles, we V4 partners do. We will not allow them to push Islamic terrorism into our borders, put our women in danger of being raped, and ask tax payers to foot the bill for economic migrants' housing, food, and allowance. Screw that. Polska dla Polakow - dla przekretow I bydlakow!!

Oh vey!! The goyim know! Shut it down, shut it down!!!!
No more Soros NGO's in Poland and Hungary trying to subvert the institutions and society...

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Sure - like how I credited PO for maintaining economic growth while they were in charge? How I said both PiS and PO have their pro's and con's and I don't agree with everything PiS does? Or how about when I said that even though PO is viewed as the more 'left' party in Poland they nonetheless promote many traditional conservative things and the majority of PO supporters (according to CBOS) are against migrants, gay marriage, etc.?


Nasz kraj, nasze zasady

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

@Ziemowit

Well yes they were democratically elected by polish citizens that's how it works

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

Millions of poles like it that way. We're not trying to be the west. Plus now poles are far richer than before and our country is doing great. It must now wage a war for its independence and sovereignty again but not with tanks. Trump asked poles at the ak monument if we have the will.to survive and defend our society and I believe were proving everyday that we do

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

Hahahahhahaha sucks to be tvn

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

I'm sorry - 98% of Hungarians voted AGAINST the migrant quotas (source: BBC)

Yet the arrogant EU doesn't respect the citizens vote and insists on pushing in migrants into the country even though nearly everyone is against it. This is the modern EU - this is NOT how the EU was when Poland joined in 2004. It wasn't even like this 5 - 10 years ago. Now it's pushing a destructive far left agenda including forced migrant relocation which Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, clearly do not want. But that doesn't matter to EU. Sovereignty, respect for a nation's culture, and the DEMOCRATIC will of the people mean NOTHING to Merkel and her commie ilk.

and as far as czechy (source: BBC)

'A new poll released on Wednesday suggested that 94% of Czechs believed the EU should return refugees to where they came from, 32% without helping them at all.

More than three quarters want to abandon the EU's Schengen Agreement, which enables passport-free travel, and send Czech border guards back to their posts.

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Because of the cheap labor, highly educated work force, infrastructure, favorable business environment, etc. EU membership is an asset to foreign companies investing in PL, but just one of numerous pro's. FDI has flowed into Poland even before it's EU membership - same with Croatia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, etc.They could choose any number of other EU countries. Like I said, Poland should hold a referendum to determine whether it should comply with the migrant quota like Hungary has done and where I believe 95% of Hungarians rejected the quotas. In Poland, the result would be similar - a vast majority as CBOS pointed out as well in the past. I predict that unless EU respects our sovereignty, right wing politicians will start campaigning more and more for a Polexit.


Most of the companies are opening factories, offices, etc. to service customers beyond Poland, not so much Poles.

Nonetheless, Poles' incomes have dramatically risen and they are able to afford much more goods than they had 10-20-30 years ago.

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A lot of analysts are saying a Polexit would have more long term implications for EU than even Brexit because it's more an ideological divide. We were the first to throw off the clutches of USSR and Communism - perhaps Poland will also lead the way amongst its V4 partners and Eastern Europe and leave. One thing is for certain - EU is far too arrogant to respect Poland's sovereignty. They believe that the EU should have the final say in a member country's policies. This was made to be a political and economic union. No where did it say though that EU can decide for other countries who they can take in, how to make their court system (Poland's proposed court system is very similar to many western European countries), etc. We follow 99% of EU dictates like 400 rules on making a toothbrush, which seem ridiculous to us. Nonetheless, we comply because there's pro's and con's. Poland received funds and its people the opportunity to work abroad. However, there are cetain things that are a red line.

The reason why so many people here are pushing EU's dictates and criticizing Poland's decision and attitude is because they don't understand the history or culture. Poland was off the map for over a century, was invaded from 2 flanks in WW2, and was under the heel of Communism for half the 20th century. We are sick and tired of having others control us and tell Poles what to do. With the EU, we saw a LOT of positive benefits from 2004 to 2015. However, with the migrant crisis and Merkel's arrogance, she has pushed the EU to a political union that imposes its far left agenda onto countries who do not want it. They do not respect country's sovereignty or the citizens' decisions. Its their way or the highway. I'm sure Poland would put a stop to the logging, the court changes, etc. if EU dropped its migrant quota system for Poland. But they don't want to negotiate. They don't understand nor respect Poland's history and Polish peoples' worldview. We were occupied by tanks in the past, now we're facing an occupation through bureaucracy and politics. Nonetheless, most Poles DON'T want to leave the EU YET. However, the EU is pushing us into a corner. EU cannot allow Poland to be a rogue state and do its own thing because it undermines the EU's authority. However, more and more countries now are realizing the EU doesn't have any teeth - it's all bark and no bite. Politics are changing and people are moving more towards the right - Trump, Brexit, V4, along with Poland's Austria's Hungary's etc elections all having a right wing party in a majority in just about everything! Even AfD had a tremendous success in Germany. Quite frankly, EU can either compromise with the new conservative right wing element and back off on the migrant quotas, or it can continue pushing for a far left agenda which clearly the majority of citizens in these countries do not want.

This will cause a huge rift and eventually Poland will realize we have a strong economy, we already received all the EU funds were going to get and are about to become a net payee, we don't want the Euro anyway, we have stronger partnerships with V4 and are making new ones with China and other countries, Merkel keeps pushing a specific agenda Poles don't want, and all this will combine into Poland realizing maybe we're better off without the EU if they refuse to compromise and we're no longer getting billions from them. Our economy is now doing wonderfully and everyday I read a new story of some major corp opening facilities in Poland. It's time we seek new partners as Western Europe is in decline, Eastern Europe and other countries like China are doing better and better. In fact, Poland's growth has outpaced Germany's, France's, etc. for years. I don't want Poland to leave the EU, IF the western countries and Merkel are able to strike a compromise and respect Poland's sovereignty and desire to NOT take in any migrants. I'm sure we'd comply with logging demands and court changes as there's give and take in any negotiation. However, they're too proud. They can't admit their fault even though Merkel publicly stated she wish she handled the migrant crisis differently. But it's too late now, Merkel simply wants to share the burden - afterall why shouldn't other countries not have to also have terror attacks, rapes, years of state of emergency, etc.

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Then we need to have an opt out, have a referendum or simply leave.


Fact. KOD tends to attract mainly pensioners and a few young EUphiles, academic types, and those who fear their liberal stance will cause them to get fired from whatever school, TV station, radio, NGO, etc they work at. PiS and the conversative right wing parties attract much of the youth - especially young males which are overwhelmingly conservative and traditional along with an increasing amount of young women too, business owners, professionals, soldiers, patriots, Poles who have high regard for the Catholic church, traditionalists, etc.

Conservatism populism, anti-migrant policies, protectionism is what will win out in Poland and Hungary - especially now with the V4's support and the migrant crisis - which again I keep noting because that is the ultimate root cause and the elephant in the room and everyone knows it - Poland knows it, EU knows it, Merkel knows it, and all EU citizens know it. If PO or any politician would publicly say that they support the EU's migrant quotas for Poland - they would never be popular. That is one of the main reasons why PO lost the election and back in 2015 Poles were far more open to taking in refugees than they are now. They've seen all the terror, rapes, and other problems caused by migrants between 2015 and today and they don't want it.

Even in Czechy a candidate who's firmly against migrants won. Austria also now has a conservative right wing government. Western Europe is going one way, Eastern Europe another. They want multiculturalism, far left policies and the EU dictating their internal affairs, we want a conservative traditional society where our people remain the majority and decide our policies.


Again, as I said you are a FOREIGN RESIDENT WORKING IN POLAND - of course you pay taxes.. I do too... Nonetheless, a POLISH CITIZEN, regardless of whether he pays taxes or not, owns property or not, is a street bum, and never worked a day in his life still BY LAW has a greater stake than you in the country as you are a FOREIGN RESIDENT, not a citizen. This is a decision for POLISH CITIZENS - get your citizenship than you'll have the same stake as every other Polish citizen. For now, thank you for your tax contributions - they will help make more anti-migrant propaganda videos.

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FYI for anyone who hasn't seen it - this is how our government views the migrant crisis. This video was released by the ministry of foreign affairs. I think it deserves a grammy, emmy, and every other possible award.

youtube.com/watch?v=hamMfDOKbK4


Yes, I still have my old PRL passport

So you did not live in PRL, do not have family who lived in PRL, and your 'evidence' is based on hearsay.... wonderful lolololol and yet you're challenging a PRL passport holder, someone who's family lived in PRL and some of whom I'm sure maybe even had PZPR or whatever group membership to further their careers, an uncle who served as a major in the warsaw pact, someone who grew up on cztery pancerni I pies, etc. But the few people you've heard say that modern Poland resembles PiS is 100% accurate - this isn't even your opinion it appears rather one you're repeating from someone else... prolly a zaKODowany frajer

First comment:

Polacy przeciw imigrantom! Nie chcemy islamskiego szamba w Polsce.
Poles against migrants! We don't want a Muslim cesspool in Poland.

Couldn't of said it better...


Similar patterns, different leadership, different situations. Dealing with problems like the EU and fixing the courts along with having Russia/Belarus on one side and invaded Germany with Merkel on the other, this all requires a strong steady hand. Change is never easy but we need it in Poland if we are to fight for our survival. The courts, the abortion vote, etc. I was against. There's many things I don't like about PiS. Nonetheless, I cannot trust PO after their kowtow to the EU and Merkel. You want to talk about corrupt? Talk about PO and the secret tapes and all the other stuff that was exposed like property deals, graft, corruption, etc and is still being exposed.

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Why? You're talking about rule of law. That is a rule of law problem. Haven't you seen what the migrants did in France over the weekend? And yet people have the gall to say Poland has problems HAHAHAHAHA western Europe needs to take a good look at itself first... pffft rule of law... at least our police stations and other institutions aren't getting torched by invades..


And what do you know about the PRL? Have you or your family lived during PRL times? PRL Commie Poland modern day Poland are NOTHING alike


Yes, I am terrified of my country turning into Germany, France or Sweden. Poland is my motherland. I would die for Poland - would you? That is why this is so important to me. I don't want my country defiled. My whole family, my whole identity is with Poland. Its bad enough that all these cities I've visited for over a decade have been terribly changed and not for the better - Paris, Berlin, Dortmund, London, etc. It's so sad what is happening in Western Europe and there's less and less Europeans and more and more people who HATE liberal European values. The west may be lost and we Poles sure as hell don't want all this to happen to us.

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So? Big deal... There's issues with every court in the world. I'm more concerned about EU forcing laws upon Poles that they didn't vote for and don't want than some guy using the tools already at his disposal bc of his career to get revenge against someone... You have no clue how bad other courts are. I'd argue the courts in US are FAR more corrupt than Poland's but they don't appear so because of all the layers of bureaucracy which really only makes it appears more sophisticated. Polish courts have commies in them - that's reason enough to purge them.

I'd rather have that then cars torched, women raped nonstop, hordes of migrants with sharia 4 Poland signs, a sea of ninja women and teenage mutant ninja muslims, and years of state of emergency because the migrants burn whatever they want. SWAT teams had to escort firefighters in france due to trumps' Jerusalem move. THAT'S A RULE OF LAW PROBLEM.

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There is no issues with rule of law in Poland. The courts need reform to make them smoother and I have first hand experience of this as ive dealt with a property issue for a long time. This isn't Nazi occupied or USSR occupied Poland - no government is going to take my land. And if that were to happen id go down fighting...

If you want to talk about issues with rule of law look at France where there's now almost 3 years of state of emergency, migrants torch police stations, cars, rape women, cause terror. Now THAT's a problem of rule of law...

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@Dougpol1

Unlike you I am q polish citizen. These things concern polish citizens so even if i didn't live in Poland, even though ive explained I own property n pl and pay taxes and have two homes - I spent a significant amount of time each year in Poland and going to prolly stay till after nye. My stake alone just by citizenship is greater than yours. Furthermore, the majority of poles reject migrants, pis is the most popular party, and the majority of poles are conservative and the majority are against gay marriage, migration from 3rd world, etc. If you wish to make a change get your citizenship and vote. Otherwise you have no stake aside from being a foreign resident working in the country.

That's fine Ireland chose to have gay marriage, Poland is choosing not to. We're also choosing not to bring in migrants. The eu can push us all they want but we have more leverage and they know it. Many analysts are saying a polexit would be more significant bc of its symbolism than brexit. We are pursuing a policy of.maintaining a homogenous traditional country where Christ has been officially made king. We are choosing a course like Japan Israel and any other number of countries with strict citizenship lqws.

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@mafketis

Were happy with Poland the way it is. We clearly dont care what eu thinks of our institutions. Poland has always been unique and although friendly with western Europe we've never rushed to be exactly like them. For one Poland never had colonies and poles mindset is different. Poles are closest and more similar Hungarians Lithuanian etc in their worldview economics foreign policies and history

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We finally have a government that has balls and listens to it's people. I recently even heard a pl radio station compare pis policies and kaczynski to pilsudzki

Poles don't want to share their land and want the country homogenous plain and simple. Israel.amd Japan can do it and that's what we're choosing. We had enough of that with partitions, ww2, and now eu attacks. Hordes of young uneducated Muslim economic migrants who break laws to gdt in and continue to in the country theyre have plenty of other places they can go that will welcome them were not one of those. Ireland isn't Poland we weren't cucked into changing our gay marriage laws for one. This is a decision for polish citizens and should be held via referendum like Hungary where over 90% didn't want migrants. That gives it legal.authprity like trumps election and brexit.

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He's the man behind the scenes who controls pis. They respond to Kaczynski... he's their boss..


Morawiecki use to work under Tusk and was a finance minister before this - one of the most important roles in PL government. prove how much you know... besides, he's trying to 're-christianize' Europe and remind them of their screw up with the migrants and bring back 'values' that they lost. That's good enough for me. I doubt they'll listen to him anyway since merkel is so stuck into forcing other country's to share the burden of her mistake

As long as we have zero Islamic terror attacks and our record is tainted, Idc who is in charge

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@Ziemowit

Bc they made her. Kaczynski is the man in charge also morawiecki was picked so he can talk some sense into the eu and remind them of the values they lost with multiculturalism and the migrant invasion

Even tusk said the relocation scheme and migrant quota system is a bust

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The battle has begun! Poland and Slavdom will perservere no matter what!

News / Poland's Party of Law and Justice (PiS) reconstruction [38]

Chance for szydlo to have a cushy office job, while putting a cocky banker who's an eu insider. The thing is he doesn't care about politics. He's just doing this for money and glory. After all he worked for tusk

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.... and szydlo just resigned...

News / Poland - Ukraine. Młodzież Wszechpolska against Ukrainians. [180]

Saakashvili started eating his tie when Putin counter attacked him...