History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


As i said, Anti-Jewish propaganda wasn't something Germany invented. It was spread all across Europe.

Nobody wanted anyone to get slaughtered but at the same time wished "they would just disappear". In Germany nobody wanted to happen what happened, same as in every other country in Europe. But we can not close our eyes to the fact that at the time Jews were as welcomed across Europe as a fire in an orphanage.

Even the UK had it's own "Hitler" but when he became too dangerous he was arrested and locked away. I just can't remember his name at the moment.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


Exactly! And you said -


Who is "we"? Who is "us"? Do you include all Poles in that "we" and "us", even those who still show their affection for Nazi Germany?


Yes, i must admit that it was a tiny bit exaggerated. But, those people exist in Poland and in lesser wealthy areas of Poland, their numbers are quite big. That's not something you can deny.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


Hatred towards Jews wasn't something the Germans invented. Anti-Jewish propaganda was spread all across Europe during that time. Just the Germans actually went for the "final solution" while others merely talked. Doesn't change the fact that in Greece for example, the locals of Thessaloniki applauded when Greek Jews were deported. Similar scenes happened all over Europe but after the war, everyone was "shocked" and blamed the Germans for doing what they secretly hoped would happen.

In general, we can only hope that something as the Holocaust will never repeat itself. But in order for that to happen, we have to openly deal with our past, as painful as it may be. Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary have done very well in their attempt to deal with their part of that period of time. Poland seems to be lacking either interest or guts to openly discuss the involvement of Poles in the Holocaust and openly discuss the Anti-Jewish stand of members of their beloved AK.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


When you say "we" do you mean all Poles, including those who like to lift their right arm in order to make sure that everyone understands their political beliefs?

It is beyond me how you can claim that there was no racism and anti semitic element in Poland when we still have people roaming the streets of Poland with a very clear view and ideology in favour of Nazi Germany.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]

So in other words, you want to misuse this thread for your Anti-Islam propaganda...........

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


The "Verjaehrungsfrist" does not apply to crimes committed during the war. Just a few years ago, the German government put a Ukrainian guard on trial in Munich.

Apologies, of course it was not the German government but the German state prosecution that put the guard on trial.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


Yes, but these were not on Polish territory and it is my understanding that the concentration camps on Polish soil are the subject of discussion here, no?


but carried out by the Poles, Ukrainians etc. If we take the Ukrainians for example, a lot of them have willingly signed up to the SS. The orders may have been given by the Germans but it was the Ukrainians and also the Latvians (as an example for the Baltic troops in the SS) who enthusiastically joined the SS to follow those orders.

Anyway, to think that it would have been possible to carry out the mass murder of millions of people without some kind of involvement of the locals is somewhat unrealistic.

As "TheOther" has said, after the war they all claimed to have been part of the resistance.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


That is not true. There were quite a lot of Ukrainians who served as guards at the concentration camps.


Have you ever been to the Alsace?

Love / Are Polish men chauvinistic? [35]


Do you have a complex with women? Have you not been able to keep a woman in your life because of the poor choices you have made in life?

Which woman dreams of "being disappointed" before meeting her real love?

Just the idea that women "need to get disappointed before realizing what they can have" shows me that you are only able to pick up the pieces. You would never be able to date a woman (whether Polish or not) who is successful or has an idea of what she wants in life.

I can't believe that i actually responded to this thread but after reading your nonsense, Mr. Loverboy Levi_Br, i had to.

Life / Is 10500 monthly is enough for a family to live in Warsaw Poland [136]

@ AndreiTheRed, I am surprised that any company would offer you 15000 PLN gross per month in Poland, if you can not work out yourself whether that is enough to "live on" in Warsaw.

That's a salary enough to "live on" in the UK so why wouldn't be enough to "live on" in Poland?

Travel / Suggestion for nightlife in Poland [28]


In Lodz I would recommend club Loza, Kaliska or Riff Raff. For pre-club entertainment, Off-Piotrkowska is the best place. Good restaurants serving a variety of dishes and drinks from around the globe.

However, there is no way that I could recommend Lodz over cities like Warsaw, Krakow or Wroclaw for a group of young men looking to party it up a bit.

Life / Polish ID number - Numer Dowodu Osobistego required in Poland [7]

Have you tried this using an online form? I simply can not go any further if the format is not correct. Even if I try to manipulate it somehow, move three letters of my passport number to the front and use 6 numbers at the end, it still tells me that it is incorrect.

Technically this means that Polish most online forms where an ID number is needed are useless for us?

Travel / Getting from Krakow to Warsaw [99]

If you take Polskibus, the bus stop is about 25 minutes away from Centralna. By bus to Krakow it takes roughly five hours so your best bet is to just get the train. Price is around 60 zlotych.

Work / I know 4 languages and am moving to Warsaw by next year, jobs advice? [25]

Do you actually have any examples or facts to talk about are we still discussing your assumptions which you are trying to sell as facts?

6000, 6500 or even 7000 PLN is hardly a "fat paycheck". I have never said that but it is considerably more than your max. 4000 PLN gross which you probably came up with out of nowhere.

Any facts or real life examples? Because I am not willing to continue to discuss your fantasies with you.

Work / I know 4 languages and am moving to Warsaw by next year, jobs advice? [25]

Once again, as in a similar thread you are responding to examples I give you with "nobody would do that". I guess that's because you don't actually know what you are posting about.

Dominic, you said that you work / worked as a translator. I guess that's working for yourself? So how well would you know the service sector really? I am not talking about your small translation contracts you may have with your clients.

I have been working across different countries in Europe for almost 15 years. Most of the time in Shared Service Centers. I know the sector very well. I know the contractual agreements SSC's have towards to their local entities and BPO's towards their clients. I am very well aware of how competitive recruitment agencies are to bring native speakers (Spanish, German, French etc) into their client's contract instead of some other recruiter to their client. I also very well know what a foreigner in Poland can and can not ask for.

It is a pity that you are not even trying to understand but instead reply with "Get real". You may want to ask Polish people why, more often than not, they are quite upset when they look at the salaries of their foreign colleagues.

Perhaps you can start discussing facts and examples (I have given you one) instead of just scaring people off with your posts which are based purely on assumptions.

By the way, I am not saying that non-specialist foreigners should be paid what they are being paid. I have seen a lot of people that simply made me shake my head wondering how they ever made it to the airport to actually come to Poland. But........that's the way it is.

Work / I know 4 languages and am moving to Warsaw by next year, jobs advice? [25]

Dominic, you need to look into the SSC / BPO sector first before you start posting. You clearly have no idea about the salaries that are on offer. I am not talking about "big salaries" but most certainly more than the 4000 PLN gross you have mentioned.

You also need to get away from the "heavy-duty qualifications". What counts is the language skills in most cases. The rest will be provided to them in trainings. BPO / SSC's have contractual obligations. In most cases they have to employ a certain number of native speakers. To get them and more important to keep them they have to attract them either with higher salaries or with benefits such as free accomodation.

All these multilingual service centers, whether BPO or SSC, are competing against each other. Just recently in Lodz, one of the companies started to pay contract signing bonuses. They are actually paying a bonus for someone to join them.

Anyway, CPL's "2014 Salary report" shows the average. With 5 years call center experience the OP would fall in either the "Specialist" or "Senior" bracket, no matter what he did in that call center. Again, the language and call center experience is what counts. For the rest, the product / products or applications he would support, he would get the training. Scroll down to page 21 of the report.

cpljobs.pl/Documents/CPL%20Jobs%20-%20Salary%20Report%202014%20-%20Summary%20of%202013.pdf

As an example, I know of a girl who was responsible for printing customer credit card statements for a multinational bank for several years. Monkey job right? Yes, i agree! Yet she was hired by a BPO as a "G/L accountant specialist with German" and actually seniors the people without experience by 2 job bands.

That's reality Dominic.

Work / I know 4 languages and am moving to Warsaw by next year, jobs advice? [25]

Sorry Dominic, that is the biggest nonsense you have ever written here on this forum. How would the SSC / BPO's ever attract native speakers with 4000 PLN gross per month?

"I started and ran the largest weekly social gathering for young tech and science people in Wrocław for six years" - and yet you still come up with such nonsense as in post 8.

Work / I know 4 languages and am moving to Warsaw by next year, jobs advice? [25]

Again, Dominic, what do you base your posts on? Do you have any experience in the SSC / BPO sector in Poland or do you have any contacts?

I can see your point but it seems that to me that you are mixing the job market for locals with the job market for foreigners.

Work / I know 4 languages and am moving to Warsaw by next year, jobs advice? [25]

Not really Dominic. Do you really think that all the technical support agents / helpdesk operators are highly qualified IT experts? In most cases they will undergo a training lasting between 3 - 6 weeks which specializes them on the products / applications they will support.

They also most likely have a database of common errors available to them with which they will be able to solve the problem according to step by step instructions. These databases are usually updated regularly.

The OP has stated 5 years call center experience. That experience and the language is key here. The rest will come with the training provided by the SSC / BPO's.

Work / I know 4 languages and am moving to Warsaw by next year, jobs advice? [25]

@ DominicB - "About 4000 PLN monthly brutto is about the best you can expect," - this is now the second time that I see you spread your wisdom and sell what you write here as facts.

As a Spanish native speaker, a technical helpdesk / support job in Warsaw would pay about 6500 - 7000 PLN brutto. Can you please advise where you got the 4000 PLN from? Is this taken from your own experience or do you have any contacts in the SSC / BPO sector in Poland?

Basically you have just scared Hernan off moving to Poland by telling him utter nonsense.

Life / No Easter Bunnies in Poland? [7]

"the Easter Rabbit, appears to be missing" - No surprise here. I'd go AWOL too if i had to carry tons of Easter eggs in this weather.

Feedback / Is the Administrator of the P.F. a Native Pole ? [80]


That was me saying that. I would prefer to stay out of this ridiculous thread please.

If you or the admin decides that you need to feed the troll johnny rep and actually reply to his "demand" to know where the admin is from, suit yourself. Don't bring my quotes into it. Thank you!

Life / Streaming online Polish TV [85]


You should keep repeating the address more in your posts. It makes it even more believable that your agenda is to "help others" and not to promote your own blog :)

Life / Streaming online Polish TV [85]


20 zlotych too expensive for 30 days of high quality viewing pleasure? I understand that you are trying to promote your blog, but come on.......20 zlotych is quite a good deal. And on weeb.tv you can watch all channels on their website whereas your horrible blog only links to other pages.

News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]


It depends on the area. When i lived in Bytom, it actually saved me when I started speaking English to a group that came towards me. It was pretty clear that they were looking for trouble. When they asked where i am from they turned out to be extremely friendly and welcoming when i answered that I am from Germany. This area of Bytom is still Ruch Chorzow territory and Ruch supporters / ultras do embrace the fact that "Koenigshuette - Chorzow" and "Beuthen - Bytom" used to be part of Germany. I am not sure if it would have helped me if I was from England or anywhere else in that case.

Generally though, I would not recommend to start speaking English if you are being approached by a shady character. In this case in Bytom there was nowhere else for me to go so it was either see what was going to happen or come across overly confident. Not recommended though. Better to try to walk away, if you still can.


Anything would have been dealt with more serious back then. In Belarus they still uphold these police state "values". I have never felt safer in any other country I have ever visited. But that also means that you have to live with police at every corner and total control, even in the most private parts of your life. I think that there are not too many Poles who would want that back.

Work / How to find work in Warsaw "if u don't speak Polish" ! [176]

Possibly, yes, but I am most likely not the only one.........

Work / How to find work in Warsaw "if u don't speak Polish" ! [176]


You are missing the point. There is nothing to admit. You do not need to know Polish to be part of society in Poland. Yes, it helps but it is not a must. But anything you say does not change the fact that you would not know because you don't live in Poland. You are based in the U.S.. What you write here are only assumptions.

Work / How to find work in Warsaw "if u don't speak Polish" ! [176]

Your whole post does not make sense. Are you able to give a realistic statement from the U.S. about the situation in Poland or not? So far it is only mambo jambo.

Work / How to find work in Warsaw "if u don't speak Polish" ! [176]


Again, according to your own statement, you are based in the U.S. How can you comment on the situation in Poland with a "LOL"? I find it your insight knowledge from across the pond absolutely amazing.......