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szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Nope. You arrest them before they can destroy and attack. The legal niceties can be sorted out later on.

Normal fans? Why?

Paulina, all that's lacking in your mountain of irrelevancies is any kind of proof that those arrested had done anything wrong .....

150+ arrests, no damage, no-one injured, no nothing.

If anyone can show me any damage or injuries caused by the Lazio 'hooligans' in Warsaw, then I'll change my opinion that Polish police are a bunch of incompetent cowards.
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Fair enough. Who knows, you might be a potential Brevik. Better safe than sorry, eh.
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Who, Lazio fans? As I wrote already this could be a preemptive measure taken by the police (as they knew what Lazio and Polish ultras are capable of). I don't mean the arrests themselves, since the police was attacked*, but the number of arrests.

You don't arrest let alone charge people as a preemptive measure. It goes against all concepts of justice.

Would you arrest all men on the grounds that they are capable of rape?

*As I've read they've been arrested for attacking police officers and public disturbance. 149 of them have been released, 22 are still in custody.

'Read' being the key word here. But no serious damage to persons or property reported.

I mean what I wrote. You refuse to look at evidence when it doesn't suit your argument.

You don't have any basic conception of 'justice', do you. What is relevant to any case is what the person or persons concerned did, and not the actions of others some years previously.
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Is it possible that the police had intelligence that there was going to be trouble in revenge for what happened in Rome a while ago, but they got it completely wrong?

That's probably what happened. Overkill. If they wanted to prevent trouble all they had to do was stay with the Lazio fans. You can't arrest people for what you imagine they might do.

For me, it's ridiculous that they're going to such extremes against foreigners yet completely failing to do anything about the problems within domestic football.

They are lazy. The foreigners (particularly Italians) were easy targets.

Btw my Grandad had a cushy job in WW2. Guarding POWs. (Italians).
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Maybe the Warsaw police read newspapers or at least watch the news:

What did they do in Warsaw then, Paulina, to merit 150+ arrests?

But nice to see you looking at evidence for a change, even if it isn't relevant to the case.

It's curious to learn what people have/haven't heard of, even those with no apparent interest in football.
szczecinianin   
3 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

I think it was mainly that it was more than twice as easy to arrest those Italians: the police had them outnumbered. With the neo-nazi parade, the police were badly outnumbered.

Exactly. It should be the greater the threat/damage/disruption, the greater the police activity. The Warsaw police don't see things like that. For them, the easier it is to arrest people, then the greater the number they will arrest.

Maybe the Met should follow the tactics of their Warsaw counterparts. Zero tolerance for Wimbledon crowds, and just allow Millwall to police themselves. It would certainly make their jobs easier and more pleasant.
szczecinianin   
3 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Thanks. It's pathetic.

The only damage I've heard the Italians caused was an upset waste-paper bin.

If anyone knows of any other damage/injuries caused, then please post it here.

Independence day march: burning rainbows, attack on squat, attack on Russian embassy = 72 arrests

Lazio fans: upset rubbish bin =153 arrests.

We might imagine that twice the arrests = twice the damage.

I don't trust the police in Poland. Take the incident in Gdynia where the police arrested and tried to blame Mexicans for their being subject to what amounted to a racial assault.
szczecinianin   
3 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

What interests me is that with over a hundred and fifty arrested we would expect to see some serious damage somewhere.

I have yet to see any evidence of the Lazio fans 'terrorizing' Warsaw'.

With all the photographers and so on present where are the photos of this 'hooliganism'.

I suspect that the police find it easier to arrest and detain Italian football fans than far right independence day marchers.

How much damage was caused that day and how many were arrested?
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

A man hacked off the head of Lee Rigby with a kitchen knife

Really? Looks more like a meat cleaver to me.

A man hacked off the head of Lee Rigby with a kitchen knife


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szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

I can only think of one hardware store in central Warsaw and I live here. Even where a lot of them were drinking (Hard Rock Cafe, I have no idea why), I'd imagine that they just strolled into Zloty Tarasy and picked up the cheap knives at the smallish Carrefour there.

I'm not an expert on buying knives in Warsaw, but the idea of buying one with a serrated edge seems pretty strange.

I'm sure most hypermarkets have a pretty good range of knives.

If these were an organised hooligan gang, how difficult would it have been for them to get hold of something like a stanley knife?
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

That's the point. If the hooligan nutcase had to arm himself, why would he choose such a knife from the hundreds available at just about any hardware store?

No doubt Bolt can run pretty fast in wellington boots, but they would hardly be his footwear of choice.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

I just did: I'd feel pretty comfortable about my ability to do fairly serious damage to somebody with any of those.

I wouldn't, so I guess we have a difference of opinion here.

Do you seriously believe some hardcore hooligan nutcase would select a serrated knife as his weapon of choice?

Two, possibly three of the knifes shown are the kind that hooligans might arm themselves with, the rest you might find in any kitchen, anywhere.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

The weapons most often used in fatal stabbings are kitchen knives.

With serrated edges ?????

I got into terrible trouble here in Wales for having a butchers knife in my handbag, it is taken v seriously, and on the way to a football match why have kitchen knife? to chop garlic?

The 'weapons' were allegedly found in their hotel rooms. They weren't actually being carried to a football match. And most of the 'weapons' look like the kind of cutlery you are likely to find in any hotel.

Please have a look at the video and judge for yourself.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Have a good look at the knives in the video. Some have serrated edges. Either the Italians were quite spectacularly stupid and didn't have the faintest idea how to injure anyone with a knife, or whatever was allegedly found in their hotel rooms had not been purchased with the intention of killing or injuring.

If anything, much of what the police put on display was the kind of cutlery you are likely to find in any hotel.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

The 'sharp objects' were allegedly found in a search of their hotel rooms.

If they had had the inclination to run around stabbing people, then a kitchen knife would have been an odd choice of weapon.

Then again, the Italians aren't exactly renowned for their fighting qualities. So if these people were indeed 'hooligans', then they may well have been hopeless, pathetic and incompetent at hooliganism, and armed themselves with 'girlie' knives. So unlike their Legia counterparts.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

But no-one has yet shown the evidence of crimes having been committed.

If the police shot you dead, should we have a laugh about this too?

After all, all I need do is claim you are a member of some 'neo-Nazi terrorist gang' and then the shooting would be justified.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

You don't know that. At worst they have been treated in the same way Polish soccer fans are being treated.

What do you mean, "I don't know that."

If there's evidence of their misbehaving, then let's see it.

These days, everyone has access to camera in their mobile phone, and there are professional photographers present who would like to make some money from a good picture.

The so-called monitoring camera film shows nothing conclusive whatsoever. Much of the 'arsenal' of weapons turns out to be ordinary kitchen knives.

The rest of the world takes a different view that rioting gangs armed with knives, axes and throwing stones can be collectively punished in the harshest manner.

If the police had shot dead a few of these thugs I'd laugh about it, so we do have something in common - humour .

Go to a foreign country and commit a violent crime and you lose all rights.

Brilliant, Peter, mate.

And if you don't do any of the above, do you lose all your rights as well?
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

szczecinianin:
I get the idea that because a number of Legia fans were arrested in Rome, the Polish police decided to round up and charge an equal number of Lazio supporters in Warsaw. Don't seriously expect justice and fairness.

Any links or evidence or just your well funded (on prejudice) suspicion.

I'd like to see the evidence of their having done anything wrong.

Nothing conclusive has been filmed or photographed.

There must have been scores of photographers in Warsaw looking for some great action pictures.

I'm sure that if you would have been stabbed repeatedly in your guts with a small kitchen knife you would just laugh it off.

I most probably would.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

It isn't clear at all.

And the Polish police must be pretty pathetic if they feel threatened by small kitchen knives.

They'd find a bigger 'arsenal' if they raided my Granny's flat.
szczecinianin   
2 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Why Lazio supporters would appear to have been carrying common kitchen knives is beyond me.

Furthermore, the video of the 'attacks' is hardly clear.
szczecinianin   
1 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

I get the idea that because a number of Legia fans were arrested in Rome, the Polish police decided to round up and charge an equal number of Lazio supporters in Warsaw. Don't seriously expect justice and fairness.
szczecinianin   
1 Dec 2013
Language / Frustrated Polish Learner -- people in Poland try to speak to me in English [31]

truth, I usually laugh my head off when an individual like that tries to speak to me, I know it discourages them but I can't help it.

How would you react to native speakers of English reacting in such a way to yourself (assuming your English to be non-native)?
szczecinianin   
1 Dec 2013
Language / Frustrated Polish Learner -- people in Poland try to speak to me in English [31]

it because English speakers are used to hearing their language spoken with mistakes and Polish people are not

There's some truth in that. Speakers of Polish generally have little or no experience of conversing in their own language with those who speak it imperfectly.
szczecinianin   
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

szczecinianin:
If that is true then your social circles and experiences must have been extremely limited.

What utter nonsense. We just work and and interact with different types of people.

It isn't particularly difficult to find 'underclass' Polish people in Poland, just as it isn't particularly difficult to meet 'chavs' in the UK. If you are unaware of this, then either you don't know Poland, or else you (for whatever reason) choose not to notice such people.

Again, my point is this: Why should these people have the right to live in the UK

Why should British people have the right to live in Britain?

Because they are British, I'd imagine.

but not our European brothers and sisters, who are better educated and work harder?

I don't accept that our European brothers either (a) are better educated or (b) work harder. Presumably you have only ever met the tiny subset of Polish people who speak English well. Have you ever been to an 'Urząd' in Poland?

If you wish to meet the Polish underclass, if you come to my city I'm perfectly happy to direct you to places you would be likely to meet them. Have fun :)

I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if you received the same ignorant xenophobic abuse as an immigrant that some posters here say about Poles in the UK.

I haven't written any xenophobic abuse.

I've seen lots of abuse from yourself to your own people, however.

One of your arguments against British 'chavs' is their lack of knowledge of foreign languages. Do you speak any?
szczecinianin   
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

bluesfan:
Clearly we must just have different social circles and different experiences.

If that is true then your social circles and experiences must have been extremely limited.

A bit like me claiming to know the UK well, but never having met any chavs/unemployed/lazy/poorly educated people.
szczecinianin   
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

szczecinianin:
Sure you know some 'lazy' Brits. Have you never met their Polish equivalents? If not, then you don't really know Poland and Poles, do you.

Nope. Clearly we must just have different social circles and different experiences. That or one of us is a little bit xenophobic and trying to slag off Poles....

You obviously idealise Poles for some reason or other. Either you don't know that much about them or simply choose what to notice and what to ignore.

The UK does not 'import foreigners'! Neither Blair, Brown nor Cameron went on amazon or ebay and purchased 'foreigners' to be shipped to the UK.
Deadwood will always be deadwood, benefits or not.

I don't regard anyone as 'deadwood'. If you lost your ability to work would you be happy to be described as such?

Wouldn't you agree that it'd be better to welcomeour European brothers and sisters into the country and export all the scum to.... well, to anywhere that will take them?

I don't regard anyone as 'scum'.