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monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Don`t try to shift Russian Red Army crimes on Poles and also try to keep things in perspective. If you want to quote some crimes try to give an example of Polish soldiers crimes rather than Red Army soldiers, because we are not responsible for Red Army`s soldiers crimes. Try to find some examples of crimes done by Poles and then we will jbe able to udge the magnitude of them from the right perspective.

If I was a German I would go to Poland and visit all death camps monuments, put there some flowers and prayed for forgiveness as Willy Brandt did. Also German children shoud take an example from Jewish to make such trips compulsory for young students.

Some history :

The planned expulsion of the Germans were made on the basis of the Potsdam Agreement of 1945, further specific basis for the expulsions of Germans were the agreements concluded between the Government of the Polish and Soviet military administration in Germany from 05/05/1946 was (another was signed in 1947, 1948, 1949, and with the GDR in 1950) and the Polish-British from 02/14/1946 On the basis of these agreements the Germans were expelled from Polish to British (2/3 displaced) and Soviet (1/3 displaced) occupied zone. As a result of actions taken immediately after the war against the German population in Poland has left the territory of our country in the years 1945-1950 approximately 3.2 million Germans, which caused a decrease in the number of Polish territory to 1,8-1,6 million people. 2

Wild expulsion

The first movement of German civilians in the west began even before the shift to the front line of the Odra and Nysa (fall 1944). After the war, and before the signing of the Potsdam Agreement, so-called. wild expulsions took place. They left the worst memories of German refugees, projecting the whole problem expulsions from the east. German orders to leave the eastern territories of the Reich were issued far too late (January 1945), and willful desertion meant escape. The German population until the last moment misled by wartime Nazi propaganda and Hitler's dreams of victory was not quite prepared to evacuate. This made a huge panic in front of the approaching Soviet army resulted in the death of German civilians. This took place mainly in East Prussia, war stories and reports came mainly from the German press, which further resulted in East Prussia surprise "the life of war" and the subsequent actions of Soviet soldiers.

The Red Army entering to the first German lands has resulted in the massacre of the civilian population, which for various reasons, did not evacuate with the German army. There were reports of Russian soldiers looting, murdering, raping of women. Particularly popular is the story of the frontier of East Prussia Nemmersdorf village, whose inhabitants were mostly killed in a brutal manner and all the women before their death raped.

Such inhuman behavior of Soviet troops from the socio-psychological point of view is explained by general wildness caused by the war, and especially all retaliation for crimes carried out by Wehrmacht soldiers. The undisputed fact is that it happened in the areas of East Prussia where Soviet soldiers could unload the hatred of the enemy and humiliation of the war..
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

You funny guy - the other - it seems to me that if you call me a blonde that means you may not have better argument , do you ? Really , is this thread about German -Polish war crimes? If you were a woman , using your rhetoric someone might call you the dumbest blonde ever who walked on earth . Funny guy - do you think that common crimes can be compared with genocide ? If Poles committed any crime against Germans they were simple common crimes judged or not in regular court trials . In Poland even a child from kindergarten knows the difference . But if you want to compare , go ahead and make a fool of yourself .

It's about three million people or more than two percent of the German population, the second largest Polonia in the world. And this is only the number of Poles.

I know the facts , dear . This is not a proof that those people are Germanized . . Just read more about that process. Forced Germanization is nothing to be proud of , but free choice of movement is guaranteed to every citizen within the EU .

It should be distinguished between Poles who found themselves within the German Confederation as a result of shifting borders, and Poles who immigrated to Germany after national uprisings or for commercial purposes (eg, during martial law, and after the Polish accession to the European Union).

So what`s your point? There are Poles in Germany and there are about 3 million of them .
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Who committed ethnic cleansing on Polish soil during or after the war ?

Here is a little example of German genocide committed on Polish children of Zamosc region . There were 150 000 of Polish chidren kidnapped during the war , some 30 000 of them from Zamość region . Many of them later were murdered in death camps.

Displaced by expulsions from the Zamosc region were sent to concentration camps under the Central Emigration Office in Lodz, located in Zamosc, ul. S. Okrzei - resettlement camp in Zamosc, Zwierzyniec, Budzyn, Frampol, Lublin, Tarnogrod, Bilgoraj and Solska. There the selection of racial deportees was done , were people were divided into groups and separated parents from children.

A group of orphaned children resulted by such actions is known today as the Children of Zamosc.

"At that time I've seen visually, as Germans disconnect children from their mothers. This separation of mothers from their children most shocked me. Worst torture , were nothing compared with this view. Germans took children, if any resistance occurred , even a very faint , they beat them with sticks to the blood - mothers and children. Then in the camp I heard the screech and cry . Sometimes the mother asked the Germans for food for the hungry and shivering children. All she could get, was the blow of a rod or a whip. I saw the Germans who were killing small children (...) The hygiene conditions are terrible. lice, dirt, fleas, bed bugs devoured alive people. " - Leonard Szpuga, expelled farmer

Repatriates in transit camps were divided into 4 groups:

people who qualified for the German race,
persons able to go to forced labor,
elderly, the disabled and children,
persons for extermination in concentration camps.

In the camps, particularly children suffered - hunger, cold, disease and were more likely to die than adults . Children separated from their parents were separately transported in cattle cars (one car transported from 100 to 150 children) to the death camps at Majdanek and Auschwitz, and to factories in the Reich. Some of the children were transported to a concentration camp for children in Lodz [6].

The news of the drama of Children of Zamojszczyzna quickly spread across the country. Polish railroad workers conveyed the news of the transports of children to the camps to inhabitants of the cities where the transports had their parking stations. The inhabitants of Sobolev, Żelechów, Siedlce, Garwolin, Pilawa and Warsaw took a risk by trying to save children from the hands of Germans.

Only 800 of them returned to their homes .

From 150 000 of all Polish kidnapped children only a small fraction returned to Poland .
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Anything else doesn't make sense.

There will never be any reconciliation if people like you still exist spreading such distorted views about simple facts.

There are some circles in Germany trying to feed poorer social classes of Germans with false ideology of Pollish atrocities against Germans allegedly commited during resettlements as a plan to eradicate German guilt for war crimes among Germans. You seem to become such a victim .
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Sounds familiar, eh?

In that wiki source you quoted tell me where it says anything about ethnic cleansing over Germans done by Poles .

Moreover your cource says something different than you are trying to persuade - " When enforced as part of a political settlement, as happened with the forced resettlement of ethnic Germans to the new Germany after 1945, it can contribute to long-term stability " . As you can see this action was viewed positively.

Quite contrary to what you claim , the authors of that wiki source as an example of ethnic cleansing gave a mass expulsion of Poles in 1939 as part of the German ethnic cleansing of western Poland annexed to the Reich.
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

germans-a-short-history-of-the-mazurians/

szczecinian.eu/index.php/about-us/

Do you think that such scribbles can give you any informative knowledge ? I guess not .

Warmian and Mazurian regions were theritories where heavy German settlements took place , so over the years there were more German than Polish inhabitants in that regions . Mazurians are not Polish germanized but they are a bit of Piatek and a bit of Freitag :) I would say .
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Germanizing about 50 Slavic tribes and millions of ethnic Poles and Czechs over the centuries.

Where did you come up with these revelations from ? It was failed process so you could name it attempting only in certain period of time . Germans tried to counquer our land and deprived us of our language in Prussian annexation . But Germans have never germanized millions of Poles , thats a lie .

The germanization involved only kidnapped Polish children .

Kidnapping of Eastern European children by Nazi Germany (Polish: Rabunek dzieci), part of the Generalplan Ost (GPO), involved taking children from Eastern Europe and moving them to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanization, or conversion into Germans.

Occupied Poland had the largest proportion of children taken, but children were abducted throughout Eastern Europe, several hundreds of thousands in tota

The aim of the project was to acquire and "Germanize" children with purportedly Aryan traits who were considered by Nazi officials to be descendants of German settlers who had emigrated to Poland.

/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Eastern_European_children_by_Nazi_Germany
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

You should search more to find out how it was done with these names . Read more about germanization which took place on Polish soil under the Bismarck Germany.

Germans are not capable to Germanize us . They were trying to do it in the last 1000 years and failed , so don`t overestimate your power.
monia   
23 Mar 2012
Travel / Warsaw, Wroclaw, Poznan, Gdansk and Krakow - Five Polish Cities in Google Street View [17]

Merged: Polish cities in street view google

With Google Maps with Street View feature, you can virtually travel around the world, watching your favorite places on the panoramic images. Images Street View shows already selected locations in Poland, you can find them easily on the map.

maps.google.pl/intl/pl/help/maps/streetview/index.html

maps.google.pl/intl/pl/help/maps/streetview/gallery.html#poland-special-collection

You can discover Polish cities in a new fun way, by almost virtually walking the streets of major Polish cities and other interesting places in the countryside.
monia   
5 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

I'd leave in a shot except I'm tied down with a missus and a kid.

Just leave together Many Poles left Poland for greener pastures , why can`t you ?

Makes me sick.

Why don`t you focus on something constructive instead on whining . Such attitude will not help anyone. Why didn`t you go there ( you say you live in Śląsk )as a volunteer to those victims to give them hope coming out from a foreigner who is on a survival in Poland .
monia   
5 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

Typical Polish reaction to blame everything else except themselves

You don`t have to live here . If you had some guts you would achieve something "grandeur in this substandard country" . If "nobody wants to try and change anything because that would involve gettin up off your arses" why don`t you take adventage of such easy conditions that Poland gives you , go for it .

10 May 2002
Main article: Potters Bar rail accidents
East Coast Main Line, Potters Bar, 10 May 2002; 7 killed, 76 injured: undetected points fault; derailed carriage rolled, coming to rest on platforms.

My question to you , who was responsible for the deaths of those 7 victims and 76 injured ?

Why are you pinpointing at Poles , while the same accidents happen in UK too? Why do you use w phrase " typical Polish reaction " I could say " typical British reaction to blame everything else except themselves .

Today the two train dispatchers were detained by the prosecution .So wait for the final conclusions before you come with the verdict.
monia   
4 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

Why lie? The track was being modernised at the time.

This track was fully modernised and the process was completed . The works which were being done at that moment were routine, thats why one track was closed . The other train could enter conditionally while the lights were red and it was up to the railway post crew to manage this train go through safely while moving on the wrong track . The train was on the wrong track and on the red light . So the automatc system could not prevent this accident .

Talking about only human aspect . I find Polish people particulary sensitive and I am proud of our compatriots who rushed to the crash scene to carry on help . Among those folks there was a young men who helped few people to get out from the wreckage trains before the rescue teams arrived . The rescue teams arrived very quickly and the action was held very professionally There was around 450 fire fighters at the scene , 35 emergency crews and two helicopters and also 16 four legged friends .
monia   
4 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

In this particular case the state of the railway system has nothing to do with this accident. This section was completely modernized last year.

Look at the list of recent very fatal disasters in Europe and Asia :

25 April 2005 - 107 dead , 460 ijured , Osaka Japan
22 September 2006 23 dead Germany
30 June 2009 29 dead Italy
15 February 2010 18 dead , 95 injured Belgium
30 January 2011 10 dead Germany
24 July 2011 25 dead , 200 injured (Czeciang) China

Poland is uderway of the extensive rail modernisation since II WW and not every rail track has been modernised yet but the progress is visible , although average person don`t have an idea about its scale . Poland has got one of the largest rail track system in Europe .It will take another several years to be completed .
monia   
4 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

This is a very tragic accident and I hope that all injuries are not life threatening .

BTW I also hope that in 3 years the era of all ducks in Poland will end and we will enter new peaceful existence free of domestic fowl :) .