News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]


So, if you have a country with a vast population, but is poor as a church-rat, therefore doesn't pay one cent and receives huge quantities of money, and you have a country with a much smaller population, but rich and paying a tremendous big part of that cake, that smaller country should just shut the hell up and just pay, while the bigger country should decide what's going to happen?

The Lisbon Treaty was indeed partly about that. Now perhaps you understand why NL was so against it? Or at least, it was against the previous form, to which it voted "no"?


I didn't say the Poles were dumb. And it has nothing to do with that whatsoever, however, it can happen that they just couldn't find the right candidates. We don't even know how many candidates the Polish govt put forward.

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M-G (busy)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]


Then you shouldn't say that it's "commonly known that she did take funds from the Soviets". You should've said "a woman who especially in the Eastern European States of the EU is rumoured to have received funds from the Soviet Union". That would've been more correct a statement.


So you won't mind if you pay 100 Euros to get into a club and get the same treatment as sb who gets in for free? I think it's more than fair that the countries who pay the most get the biggest share. It's also normal.

And as I said before, maybe PL just didn't have any qualified material. It can happen, you know.


Unfortunately a job like that takes a bit more than just knowledge of languages.

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M-G (busy)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]

From the link:


Guess what, those are representatives of the oldest members of the EU. NL is not included either as is Luxemburg. The French always want to be the leader of the EU anway. But then again, this article does not offer a complete overview of who's going to do what.


Which is a correct state of affairs. Besides, to me there are not 15 old members, but 6. The rest is all new if you're either from BE, DE, FR, IT, LUX or NL. Poland is a relatively new member and just has to wait its turn, just like with everything else. The other member states had to do that too, so what makes Poland so special that they can skip the queue?

And besides, maybe PL just didn't have any suitable candidates? Every thought about that?


Well, one can make an issue out of everything.


But it's also one of the newest member, still a NET receiver and you surely cannot expect that the countries who pay a lot are willing to have an equal position as countries who are receivers?


They didn't. Your portrayal of the EU as a bunch of poor sobs, solely depending on Poland's good will is an entire incorrect one. True, Kaczynski said he would wait what the Irish would say about Lisbon, but he signed immediately after that. The only one who showed some guts is the President of the Czech Republik who had it sent to the High Court of Czechia.


From your link:


The line I marked in bold is a brilliant piece of manipulating on your part. It has never been proven that she in any form accepted money nor goods from the Soviets. So this might as well be filed in the drawer under F - Former East Bloc States' Paranoya.


Power game? These countries simply pay the most (well at least BE, NL, DE and SW do), so they have the most rights to be there when the goodies are being given away.


Nope, never and ever. You get too much trouble indoors when you do that. First relations between them have to normalize and neutralize. Then we can start thinking of putting a Polish EU ambassador in Moskou.


Unfair? Care to enlighten on that one?

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M-G (don't you just love when Americans try to pinpoint any "wrongdoings" within the EU, while at the same time they don't even have a clue of what's going on in their own country)

History / WWII in Europe could be also understand as Civil War of Slavic world? [11]

I was born and raised in a Germanic country and I am half Germanic myself. There was never any doubt in this Germanic country, nor in any other Germanic country, about who started WW2. As for WW1 - the Austrians fired the first shots yes, on 29th of July 1914 on Belgrade, but the Balkans wouldn't have been such a powder keg be it not for the preparing work of the Serbs.

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M-G (busy busy busy)

History / WWII in Europe could be also understand as Civil War of Slavic world? [11]

You claim all your topics are about Poles, yet they somehow manage to end up being about Serbs.

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M-G (still busy)

History / WWII in Europe could be also understand as Civil War of Slavic world? [11]


Only the Sorbian population (app 150.000) are Slavic, the rest is Germanic. Saxons, for example, are not Slavic. This is within the current borders of Germany.


About half of the casualties of WW2 were of Slavic descent (20 mln Russians, 3 mln Poles, 1 mln Yugoslavs and others), the rest was of non-Slavic descent.

But you're right in one point: the conflict in Eastern Europe was the heart of the conflict, this was race against race, one totalitarian régime against another. Has of course to do with the racial politics of Hilter cs.

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M-G (busy)

Love / Advice Please! Meeting my Polish boyfriend's parents!! Gifts, customs... [105]

Maybe they're into blacks and euthanasia as well? Maybe they know their daughter is the born slave girl. Who knows? Not me.

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M-G (tralala)

Love / Advice Please! Meeting my Polish boyfriend's parents!! Gifts, customs... [105]


Great remark :)

As for the topic: you better not slap them in the face, tell them their food is disgusting and if there is any place you can get some decent fish and chips, not the crap they just served you, better not tell them that your previous gf was black, also don't tell them you regard their daughter as an easy lay and that you keep her while the laying is good, but that you're looking for sth better, that you plan to keep her on the side after you found your true love because the sex is so darn good. Also, you might not wanna mention you've euthanised your granny as you thought she was getting old anyway and hey, you needed a house, so what else could you do? Perhaps it's better not to tell them that your brother is homosexual and that you yourself are actually in doubt, but that you're at least full blown bi-sexual. Oh and you don't want to mention that you absolutely hate Catholics to the point that your preferential place of peeing in public is against the walls of a Catholic Church, and don't tell them you used to be a Communist and in fact still think it's a very good system as you're Jewish and proud of it. If you follow these guidelines, you should be ok.

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M-G (always glad to help)

UK, Ireland / Poles - go home make your country better [40]


Congratulations sir, you have just won a place in the shortlist for the "Golden Dcikhead"-awards 2010 for the person who makes the most retarded remark. Further nominees will be selected in the next coming months and the election and announcement of the winner will take place on the 20th of December 2010.

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M-G (polesandmops must be delighted. M-G thinks though that it's a standard poster under a different nick)

Work / Getting an entertainment Gig in Poland - how to go about it? [8]


Ah well, usually it's not a problem to get free drinks, however, I've had a few times in NL and in IRE that it really was a problem to negociate free drinks - one club where we played early in the 90's gave us THREE free consumptions per person plus 100 guilders per person. That's all he wanted to afford, the bogger! It was on first Christmas Day. the 25th. He would normally have been closed, no income - now he had the place full and charged 5 Euro entrance, so he did good business that night.

With "no money" I of course meant extra pay on top of the costs you would make to get your equipment over there. A guy to lend a hand is always at hand and that would be the least of your problems. Some parts of my equipment, however, I preferrably carry myself. Like my guitar, amplifyer (with help of course as it was a Fender Dual Showman); the actual amplifyer I carried myself, but for the speaker I used a hand:

Fender Dual Showman


I know, but I don't need to be famous :) That time is behind me and I don't have that much time anyway. I've played in bands for about 15 years, with a pause of about a year when I was recovering from burnwounds as I described in the other thread. As soon as I could use my fingers again, I practiced guitar again and within a few weeks I had the hang of it again. But then the career got in the way and loads of other stuff. Now I feel that I'm too old to go jumping around on stage anymore, so I make music on my own. Also because I have always been compared to Billy Corgan (mentality wise) when in bands. I wrote the songs and they will be played the way I envisioned them, unless it's really an addition, the others will just have to play them the way I want them to play it. Makes sense, right?

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M-G (ah, the good old days - jumping around on stage...loved it)

Work / Getting an entertainment Gig in Poland - how to go about it? [8]

Cowpunk is actually pretty old. In the late 80's I saw a few cowpunk bands perform in NL.

But about getting gigs, I would suggest to try the smaller venues on less popular evenings, say Monday- or Tuesday nights. That worked for me as clubmanagers usually are not quite picky for those evenings and already happy if SOME more ppl show up than the standard group of regulars. Also, don't ask money. It's tough enough to get free drinks, so if you can get that, settle for it. If you want to get famous, this is also the best way to start. Let the ppl get to know you and if you play long enough on those "odd" evenings, comes a time you will be having no probs getting a Wednesday- or even a Thursday- or Fridaynight.

I did it like that here in Dublin, but I didn't perform frequently enough due to lack of time. But you could try it. I think clubowners are pretty much the same everywhere, so what worked in Dublin, should work in any bigger city in Poland too.

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M-G (did a handful of gigs in Dublin)

Genealogy / Polish person's average height? [210]


I am 1.86 and I'm an average length guy in the Netherlands. My brother is 2 metres. Two friends of mine 2.01 and 2:05 metres, a cousin 1.97 metres. Girls are on average somewhere around 1.75 metres. But then again, the Dutch are the tallest ppl in the world.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Pole who burned himself to protest the 1968 Soviet invasion [81]

I know, wildrover, I know.

Reminds me of that line in "Working Class Hero" from John Lennon:

"They hate you if you're clever and they despise the fool - till you're so fcuking crazy, you can't follow their rule".

Guess Sokrates is a child of his surroundings - maybe it's not too late for him.

You're out there on your own in this life. Nobody's gonna take care of you, you have to do it all alone. If you're proud of your accomplishments you should be so and show it as well. Humbleness is nonsense and only holds you back. I've been always proud of what I've accomplished and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm not arrogant (except to the ones that deserve it), just proud and talk about it. I think if ppl cannot stand that, they have issues themselves. But anyway, if this is going to be a discussion without end, I pass.

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M-G (learned that over the years)

History / Pole who burned himself to protest the 1968 Soviet invasion [81]


Oh, I don't, it's just Sokrates after all. Guess he has indeed trouble believing that ppl CAN do more than just ONE thing or CAN have more interests than just ONE. And besides, being burned is not a hobby of mine, it's just sth that has happened to me and is completely loose of the other things I do.

Indeed it seems that Poles have many traits which are apparently so opposite of many traits in the West. Yet we are on the same continent, which also happens to be one of the smallest continents. Iron Curtain is no excuse as the Czechs were behind that as well, yet they are so totally different in their habits and ways than the Poles. It must be sth else. Sth typical Polish.

History / Pole who burned himself to protest the 1968 Soviet invasion [81]


You want to see my scars, you little twat? In fact, I don't hope anybody gets burned as it's a terrible thing to undergo, but for you I gladly make an exception. You deserve to experience it, if only for this remark. Maybe you'll learn for a change. Not everybody's a fake like you, you know. Besides, you seem to have a bit of trouble when ppl are smarter than you, have you? Well, in that case you'll have trouble all the time :))

Can't stand it when ppl have more interests than just one - although I have to say you pretend to know about everything - hm.


True, and even with the most advances plastic surgery it's ruined for the rest of your life.


Of course not. It happened over 20 years ago, but I still remember it to this very day. But keep in mind that Sokidonkey is a troll as there are too many, unfortunately on this forum.

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M-G (tiens)

Law / Signing a contract from Poland Telecommunication (TP) I didn't understand [20]


I did that once and I kept saying "Yo no comprendo", "Yo no comprendo", but it was a tape. I always wanted to say "Yo no comprendo" over the phone to sb. I don't know, it's just a little fetish of mine, I guess. Nothing serious or dangerous, I think.

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M-G (did you know that a cat has twice as much muscles in his body than we have?)

History / Pole who burned himself to protest the 1968 Soviet invasion [81]


It happened in February and by early August the last piece of skin on the top of my hand closed, so about half a year. I spent a little over 2 months in the hostpital.

Edit: but I was lucky that I've always been very healthy. It helps speed up the growth of the skin. It really does.


Thank you my friend. And perhaps luckily of all is that my face didn't get deformed but stayed somehow intact. Yeah, you can see it if you look real close, but on first sight you will only see it on my hands and on my legs - the top of my upper leg still have the mesh of the skin transplant on them. I mean, you can still see the mesh IN the skin. No hair will grow there ever again. Afterwards, when the pain (and don't forget the ITCH! Just as bad as the pain, perhaps worse, because you're not allowed to scratch, for you will scratch the new skin open again) has gone, the hard part is the ppl looking at you when you still have bandages on your head and the fact that you have to go to a physio therapist to make your fingers and legs move again. The skin is so thick and inflexible, that you simply cannot use your fingers or legs at all.

Edit: I've seen what can happen to your face when burned. I was lying in a special clinic for burnwounds. A guy was lying there who was a chemical worker. He had combined to materials that produced a suden big flame, right into his face. 1500 degrees. There was no form in his face left. Everything was just melted away.


If I didn't, I would have been burned alive. The whole house was on fire. After it all was over, I was just glad I survived.

You know, everbody has burned a finger on a sigarette or a flame, right? Pretty painful and you have to hold your finger for 15 mins under cold water (it really is true: if you burn yourself, the best thing to do is go either under a cold shower if it's a big part that's burned; this can really save you! If it's your finger, you have to keep it in running cold water until the burn has gone. It really is no fairytale). It hurts pretty much when you burn your finger. Now imagine that pain times 30 or 40 and you get how it feels when half of your body has been burned.

History / Pole who burned himself to protest the 1968 Soviet invasion [81]

About half of my body was covered with burnwounds. It's a long story of how that came to be, and I don't want to tell that, but I had to run through tens of metres of fire.

Believe you me, when you have huge burnwounds, you WILL be screaming. Burnwounds are the most painful wounds one can have. There is no escaping by turning on another side, it's on your skin, ergo all around you. They give you morphine to ease the pain. And that doesn't work if both of your legs, your face, head, hands and parts of your arms have 2nd degree burnwounds. They stopped giving it to me because otherwise I would get addicted. In the hospital they told me that the 3rd, the 7th and the 11th day were the worst.

And it's true. On the third day, liquid starts to pour into the affected areas; you have to drink a lot, else you will dry up literally and you'll die. My legs after three days were more than twice as big as they were before, so was my head, my hands. It was black, pieces of skin were hanging off and my legs were one big skinless mass. Before it happend I weighed 83 kg, 4 days later I weighed 135 kg. And every day they have to change the bandages. They pour luke-warm water over the bandages, so they won't stick too much to the wounds. But they still stick. And if you experienced nurses pulling off metres of bandages that stick to huge skinless mass with all the nerve-endings wide open, you won't complain anymore if you fall on your face. Speaking of face: on the 5th day I insisted they bring me a mirror to see how I looked. They were reluctant, but I insisted. And when I looked in the mirror I knew why they were so hesitant: I saw a big black ball with two smaller balls bulging out of that and they were half open. They were my eyse.

The seventh day they start to peel off the the skin off the wounds. They have to, else the skin won't revitalise. I nearly fainted. They plunged a needle in my croch, right at the point where the leg starts, in that corner beside your balls, to tap sth in my blood. The needle was 7 inches long. On the eleventh day the remainder of the skin starts to rot and it has to rot away to make way for the new skin. After that it takes months and a skin transplant to get the skin going again. You will have to learn to walk all over again as the new skin is too tight and not flexible yet.

They told me that 52 per cent of my body was burned. Had it been 72 per cent, I would have died. It's also the reason why I don't have hair anymore.

You really think that when you see sb in flames and screaming, he's exaggerating? I know from experience that he isn't.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Was there sex in Poland during communist regime? [60]

Actually, was there open prostitution in Communist Poland? I mean, those red lights must have been a mighty factor of attraction for the commies?

Or was there no prostitution in Poland, like there is absolutely no prostitution in Ireland since they closed or burned down that area, forget it's name, but Joyce writes about it, close to Talbot Street in Dublin?

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M-G (always curious for these kinda stories, grin)

History / Was there sex in Poland during communist regime? [60]


Bah, prnography on PF!

Hm, that guy in the background, I wonder what he is thinking by the looks of him :)

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M-G (ah well, sex in the 80's was a hairy event anyway)

History / Was there sex in Poland during communist regime? [60]


Heck no! Yikes, sex! That's just commie propaganda! Those children magically appeared from out of the ground and sex was just a rotten Communist lie.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Poland's elite more pro-US than society? [29]


Maybe it has sth to do with the fact that Poles consider the US the winner of the Cold War and has as such liberated from he hated system that has yoked them for decades? It's normal for ppl who have been terrorized by one group to run to the other group once liberated from them. This might explain also Poland's eagerness to join the NATO, EU and the like.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / Can a 17 year old, buy beer and cigarettes in Poland? [30]

Tonight, as part of their "War On Terror"-tour through Poland and Russia, playing in a venue near you: ....The Stalin Jews! With special guests: The Babcias!

:)

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M-G (tiens, tiens)

Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Oh gee, sb flattered Charlottes ego. We will never hear the end of it.

:)

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M-G (Americans will be here in 30 mins it is said)

History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]


Yes I remember that. But where did that story come from? From a Pole? And besides, if it's true, then it's still only ONE individual - hardly enough cause to hate an entire ppl, eh?


Believe what you want, there is evidence to claim otherwise. Just one: ghettobenches where the Jewish students had to sit seperately in a corner of the lecturing room? I wouldn't call that freedom of movement.


And when you're a Polish historian who dares hinting that the Poles might be anti semitic, you get burned down and even death threats, court cases and the like. Ask Gross how that feels to write against the spirit of denial that blows through certain Polish ranks. And there are more. Nice example of how honourable Poles are towards ppl who disagree with their accepted myths. Btw, all those Gross-slanderers are put to deep shame by his new book about the Soviet invasion of Poland.


Ah, the STALIN JEWS again! This link has been posted about 150.000 times so far as "proof". Proof of what? That some Jews joined the Communist ranks? So what? There were Russians and Poles who joined those ranks too. What I always wonder about is why it's been taken so harshly on Jews that joined the Communist ranks, when I hear nothing about the Poles, Russians, etc who joined their ranks? And besides, only ONE guy saying sth about it in a column is hardly any counter-weight, isn't it?


Pls give examples. And those Poles that say he is anti-Polish, would probably say that Geese are anti Polish for flying over Russia before entering Polish airspace. Or if their car doesn't start, it's probably anti Polish too :)

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M-G (waiting, waiting, waiting - darn Americans, never on time)

History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

In the 4 years preceding the war they may not have been prosecuted although there are some reports of Jewish ppl getting killed, but that takes too much time to explain and that's not what I have at the moment. But life was made not that pleasant for them before the war and after the war they were prosecuted.

You don't need to know anybody personally - there is footage, witnessreports and images. One slight example of "knowing" anybody is what I told earlier: I have here a Polish guy in the office who told me, when discussing this, that he always found it strange that his grandmother was always picking out the Jews when watching television. One of my Polish ex-gf's told me once that her grandmother didn't like the Jews.

But about that "first-hand" history you keep hammering on: I also don't know anybody personally who lived during the Napoleontic occupation of NL, yet I know that it happened.

Anyway, got to hurry now.

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M-G (hurry)

History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

Poles love Davies as he tells them all they want to hear. The truth of course is much different than what Davies writes, but that hasn't bothered him to horny-up Poland and Poles. The fact that he indeed denies the ever present anti semitism within Polish society should say enough.

@sobieski: the protocols of the elderly of zion are seriously embraced still in certain ranks and I suspect some on here believe them to the full. Ridiculous as it may seem, but then again, we're talking to ppl who actually think Hitler was a left-winger, so that shouldn't surprise anybody at all :)

And you were right - Gross' book about the Soviet invasion of Poland puts all the ppl who called him a liar to deep shame. Gross is definitively a much better and more honest historian than Davies. I just read sb mention that Davies uses historical truth. That nearly made me fall off my chair for laughing. And I cannot afford to fall off my chair laughing as I am expecting high guests at the office and lying on the ground laughing would not look so good, wouldn't it? :)

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M-G (they are delayed for an hour though)

UK, Ireland / Why English do not like Polish? [417]


What the hell are you talking about? Germans and Dutch/Flemish are Middle Germanic ppl, Frisians, Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, English, Scots, Icelanders are West-Germanic ppl and are therefore related. Just because it happened thousand years ago, they are related. But this doesn't mean they like each other. It just means that they are all Germanic ppl.

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M-G (tiens)

UK, Ireland / Why English do not like Polish? [417]

Who cares if he is Polish-American, American-Polish, from Mars or from Rinky-Dink?

Britain is clearly still shaking off their Victorian yoke :)

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M-G (tiens)

UK, Ireland / Why English do not like Polish? [417]


No, we're talking about those beer-bellied, bald guys; their heads a darker shade of purple from being in the sun too long, drinking more beer than is good for them; have slutty gf's who giggle when getting a sexist remark thrown at them, feel it's appropriate to start singing odd songs from home while abroad in the streets, in the bars or just anywhere they feel like, unable to speak one single word of the local language and thinking everybody likes them. And it doesn't matter where they come from, they're just as annoying. I've seen ppl like that from Britain, Sweden, Germany and Norway in Amsterdam and ppl from Britain, Sweden, Germany, Norway, Poland, Russia and the Netherlands while abroad myself. When it's Dutch that are like that, I usually pretend that I'm not Dutch as I'm embarrassed to bits for my fellow countrymen at moments like that.

Anne Clarke has a perfect description of the type of guys discussed here. In her case they're English, but they could come from anywhere:

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And this is from 1983 - nothing ever changes :)

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M-G (tiens)