Work / Studies In Poland, is it easy to survive on part-time jobs? [259]

U can get an it job as an indian rather easily without knowing polish. Othereise its difficult unless u learn the language

UK, Ireland / I'm so confused where to settle down - UK or Poland? Advice please. [21]

Exactly. If you cam buy a condo or house without a mortgage or a very small one, youll be fine. Otherwise youll struggle as even an 8k 10k z salary after taxes zus n all that is taken out youre left with around $1500.

Nice flats tend to start at 7k 8k zs plus a m2

Only good thing is property taxes are super low

UK, Ireland / I'm so confused where to settle down - UK or Poland? Advice please. [21]

Terri id say its possible to have the same standard of living, perhaps even higher in poland than us/uk/canada etc. A person most likely wont make the same salary as in the west but if they have a decent bit of savings, know how to invest or trade, etc they can live just as good if not a better life in pl as real estate and taxes tend to be far cheaper

UK, Ireland / I'm so confused where to settle down - UK or Poland? Advice please. [21]

At least in Poland you will not be 'culturally enriched' by any migrants as thousands of women have been in Germany, Sweden, France, etc.

UK, Ireland / I'm so confused where to settle down - UK or Poland? Advice please. [21]


United Kaliphate indeed...

UK, Ireland / I'm so confused where to settle down - UK or Poland? Advice please. [21]

Jane,

To me it came down to a choice between being with my extended family and my motherland or continuing my career in the US and all the nuances it came with - some good, some bad. I could never feel a connection with any land as I feel with Poland. I was born there, speak the language, and the majority of my family remains in the country with a few migrating to US, UK, Germany, Russia, etc. for work or school. At first, I thought I'd be giving up a good salary at a western company for a simpler, but more healthy and traditional lifestyle. Poland is far more conservative and religious than the US which in my young age I cared little for but now it means a lot to me especially as I am planning to start my own family soon. I'm gradually making the move to living primarily in Poland but am putting my ducks in order so I can maintain a decent income in PL as although costs for things like food and housing are a bit cheaper, many things are still pricey. If you want a half decent town home in Wroclaw you're going to pay at least 500k zloty plus. The cheapest ive seen were 400k and that's still a lot of money for an average pole. Personally, if you have the savings or the ability to make half decent money in PL whether through investments, working at a western corp that gives you a high salary, savings, etc. then yes Poland is great - especially if you're not really tied down or want to retire. But for a married couple with kids to just move with little knowledge of the language, little savings, and average job prospects I'd advise against such a move. Ultimately it's your decision though.

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Yes

UK, Ireland / I'm so confused where to settle down - UK or Poland? Advice please. [21]

Quite a few people from the anglo countries like us canada uk have started moving to poland. Most are people with polish roots but there is a large amount of europeans seeking work and a new life in poland. In wroclaw there is a growing number of retirees from eu like france germany as well as corporate workers from spain italy portugal n also a growing amount of people from india and pakistan moving for education and it jobs

UK, Ireland / No Poles Allowed! - Latest Polonophobic Outrage Out of Britain [660]


Well there are... its just in certain places there's more idiots and also there's various kinds of stupid,...

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The good thing is in a way us is a bit more stable than poland. These lil european countries any little thing flairs up and its a big deal. Esp now with nato poking the bear and tripling its presence around russia since the 90s despite mutual treaties

News / Jesus Christ is Now Officially the King of Poland [164]

Some Texans wanted to secede since immemoriam.. but now its more that they just want to have a lot of state rights. The thing is it was basically gobbled up by the us. Most ppl dont know it was its own country before the republic of texas. It had like 10 official and regional languages i cluding czech and creole. I didnt find out till recently

Texas is rly diverse mostly white texans some mexicans who dress texmex and some blacks but they all get along for the most part. Ppl r very friendly. Also the state is rich all of texas is worth roughly 400 bil more in terms of gdp than russia.

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@Taxpaying voter

Still far more muslims that rape pillage murder than poles or any native christian europeans.

You clearly need to read a history book. Of course the british never participated in the slave trade, never had colonies (you realize america arose from a british colony - the brits stold the land from native americans, settlers came, and revolted against the puny brits. The brits however along with later the french and spanish were the first to conquer the new world and colonize it - not americans. America like brazil peru or canada are countries that grew out of these colonies), and never fought 2 wars so they could keep trafficking opium into china against the chinese emperors wishes as a quarter of chinese were addicts... right thr brits never did anything wrong

Poles however never participated in such things. We therefore owe nothing to no one. 3/4 of poles reject migrants from me ans africa and over half reject callung a gay union a marraige which is a sacred union between man and woman. Thats how poland was, is and will be for thr forseeable future

News / Jesus Christ is Now Officially the King of Poland [164]

Texas has its own land bureau the us federal government is constsntly fighting to take more and more states rights from texas. Much like the eu is trying to do to poland. Thankfully poland and the v4 have become wealthy and are fiercly resisting multicultualism, migrants from outside of europe, gay marraige etc. Slavs never were never all that accepting of such things. Its the same in czechy ukraine russia etc. Slavs want to remain the rulers of their own country and be homogenous in terms of demographics. Its our country and if politicians who were elected bc they had a populist protectionist euroskeptic platform then thats clearly what the majoriry of voting citizens desire.

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Agreed. Hence my comments above stating that Poles are perceived perhaps by some Brits as 2nd class laborers from Eastern Europe, but they don't have nearly the same 'Polonophobia' as they did in the years following 2004 when Poles flooded in. Due to the terror attacks, child grooming by Pakis, beheading of British soldiers, the more patriotic, conservative leaning Brit and brexit supporters have focused their attention less on Poles and more on the radical Muslims that are raping, murdering and pillaging the United Caliphate. Brits see Poles now as poorer Eastern Europeans who came to take blue collar jobs that most Brits don't want anyway. Now, to cope with the loss of such labor, Poland has brought in Ukrainians to fill such jobs.


Back in the 60's yes, thanks to Jewish owned Hollywood (source: LA Times: Do Jews Own Hollywood? You Bet They Do!) have always hated Poles. Today it's rather different - average Americans tend to be jealous of the McMansions and German cars that FOB and 1st gen Poles have. They may not speak English but they sure as hell figured out how to write out a deposit slip. They can talk all the crap they want that Poles are all contractors and cleaning ladies yet they had the entrepreneurial skills and drive to become financially successful. Most FOB/1st gen Poles around Chicago (which has around 1 mil Poles) own their homes while more and more Americans do not and have resorted to renting.

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Perhaps, but they dislike migrants - hence why CBOS shows 3/4 of Poles reject migration from ME and Africa and our government and people are fighting tooth and nail to reject migrant quotas to preserve our perfect record of 0 Islamic terror attacks.


LOL yea the police came in AFTER the people broke the windows and vandalized it - as can be evidenced in the above video where the police stood by a block away while mob justice was served. To my understanding, that shop has since been closed.

The same photo appears here - express.co.uk/news/world/749189/Polish-rioters-smash-kebab-shop-arab-men-stab-young-local-Elk-male

Note that during the video the police can clearly be seen a block away doing NOTHING and in the picture above the shop has already been vandalized - so clearly they moved in AFTER the vandalism.

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This video shows otherwise:

Polish destroy kebab after the murder of a polish young boy there
youtube.com/watch?v=0CMQwl9pZpc

Polish Lives Matter - Riot After Migrant Kills Polish Man
youtube.com/watch?v=evFj8xsgbo8
Polish man being interviewed: 'I would be happy if there wasn't a single arab in our country..... those Muslims, they shouldn't be in our country'

During the riots in Elk - yes, cops stopped some 28 people. In the above video you can clearly see the police standing aside while the kebab is destroyed.


Sure why not. The less kebab the better. Poles shouldn't be supporting kebab in the first place.

Instagram/twitter:
#BanKebab
#RemoveKebab

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I'm well aware of what the constitution says. What some law or article says and the reality are sometimes two different things. The best example is the current situation with the courts... or even the prompt burning of a kebab stand by Poles since the owner stabbed a young pole. The police watched and stood a block away while the crowd cheered on

And no, in Poland no one would care if a person refused service to another for any reason. If a Christian baker refused to bake a cake for a gay couple, no one would care and there wouldn't be a bunch of snowflakes to detract the society from more serious concerns. Even gypsy kids are told to enter small stores 1-2 at a time for fear that they're going to steal...

Work / Polish citizen with American husband in Poland ~ work ops? [55]


I never said it is. I said that in general, out of all the jobs in Poland, yes most require knowledge of Polish. Although yes, certain higher wage, white collar type of positions in like IT, or perhaps pink collar CS jobs, fluency in PL isn't a must. '


Yes a lot of Portuguese and Italians work in finance in Wroclaw. They don't know fluent Polish - but again it depends on the job...

Nonetheless, knowing Polish vs not knowing Polish certainly opens more doors in the overall job market.

Work / Polish citizen with American husband in Poland ~ work ops? [55]


1400 some weeks of being a Polish citizen, spending a significant amount of time in Poland, having my whole fam in Poland, running a business in Poland, owning property in PL, etc etc.....


That is true. Her husband doesn't know Polish so he'd have a hard time finding work unless he's an IT pro. Also, if they teach English for a living they won't make enough money to pay the student loans, raise a kid, and manage a 3 person household. There are other opportunities oczko and her husband can pursue though which would make life in Poland realistic.


Absolutely. That's why educated skilled PolAms with dual citizenship can take advantage of the management niche where US corps want to hire a person familiar with American corporatism but still has a knowledge of Polish customs, society, language, etc. They'll have to of course have the appropriate experience, education, and contacts to get into such a position. Once you can get into a job like that and are making 20k plus zloty a month you're on easy street.


If you look at various job ads most require knowledge of 2, sometimes even 3 languages - sometimes it's Polish and French, sometimes English and Spanish, just depends on the job. Nonetheless, most jobs whether a waiter, retail store manager, security guard, account executive, firefighter, etc will require fluent Polish. Yes, there are exceptions like IT and perhaps jobs like customer service that deal primarily with clients outside of Poland.

Work / Polish citizen with American husband in Poland ~ work ops? [55]

That's not true. Poles take priority over others in most jobs. Yes, there are exceptions like with IT but nonetheless Poles prefer to hire their own mainly because speaking fluent Polish is a requirement for most jobs.

Work / Polish citizen with American husband in Poland ~ work ops? [55]

Less than half... you can count the amount of actual Poles/Polish citizens here on one hand.. PF is a mix of westerners with some Polish blood, some UK expats living in Poland, and maybe like 4 or 5 actual Poles - most living abroad and only 1 or 2 living in Poland.

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8 billion is not chump change. That's more than the annual GDP of microstates like Andorra, Monaco, or even a significant chunk of a country like Slovkia's GDP.

Then again it's understandable as you


The real figure is far higher anyway -

A major market for seafood

EU consumers spent 54 billion euro for buying fisheries and aquaculture products in 2015, reaching the highest amount ever recorded. A general positive trend was recorded in almost all Member States.

ec.europa.eu/fisheries/eu-fish-market-2016-edition_en



No shyt, we're talking about US - not the Islamic Republic of England or United Caliphate. Also, in Poland a person can refuse service to anyone - including gays and no one would care.

I've been to UK several times, specifically London. I care little for UK....

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Wrong, perhaps, depending on your beliefs, but not illegal. If it's your business you can refuse service for lack of shoes, shirt, or because you don't like a guy's tie. It's your right as a business owner to refuse service. This has been affirmed by the Supreme Court and is now legal precedent.

So would it be wrong for a Jewish or Muslim butcher to refuse service to a Pole who insists on kotlety schabowe because of his religious beliefs?

People in the west are just babies. That gay couple could've gone to the hundreds of other bakers that would've gladly taken their money and had no problem with baking a cake for them. But nooooo being the snowflakes that they are, they made a huge fuss about it, got the whole country to focus on their so called 'plight' and a few liberals shed some crocodile tears - but they lost in the end and common sense prevailed.

I've turned down plenty of customers because I didn't like their attitude. I don't need the commissions from their little deal. I'd rather do without the stress. It's always the little customers making the biggest problems.

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@johnny reb

Its the same bs in the us. A baker refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple bc of his religious beliefs. The snowflakes cried and tried to sue him, put him in jail, etc. This went all the way to the supreme court and for once common sense prevailed - a business owner can refuse to serve a customer for any reason.

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Yet they plaster stuff about ramadumb all over london buses....

Yes brits have been against poles ever since hundreds of thousands flooded in after 2004. A significant chunk were of a lower socioeconomic class so they quickly took advantage of the generous benefits system. Add to that a lot of polish criminals who were on the run or applied their penchant for theft and fraud on top of all the polish blue collared people who would work for longer hours and less money than a brit, yeah i can see why they wouldnt like poles.

Honestly though its changed quite a bit in the past 2 3 4years. Brits still see poles as 2nd class laborers from eastern europe. The difference is now theyve come to accept them more as theyve experienced terrorism, rapes, grooming of children by pakistani men, etc. So now theyve shifted their attention as poles never beheaded british soldiers, never blew people up, never ran dozens of people over in a van, etc. Theyve come to accept poles and while they may be upset that poles filled so many blue collar jobs, they atleast appreciate that poles tend to assimilate and keep to themselves.

When i was in london about a year or so ago i didnt experience any sort of different treatment. My cousin who has travelled back and forth and is starting college soon hasnt either. But ya that sign is something else....

Wtf are you talking about fishing isnt normal? Fathers and sons have been fishing together since the dawn of time. That and hunting, fixing cars, and grilling meat are arguably the most father and son bonding type activities.

Work / Polish citizen with American husband in Poland ~ work ops? [55]

Yeah unfortunately in poland a high education doesnt necessarily mean a high salary or even in some cases an average one. Uni professors in germany make more in a week than my aunt does in a month

Its kind of the same in the us. The higher income sales jobs were usually in medical devices, pharma, employee benefits, etc. Now b2b tech sales, especially in iot gps track and trace and also corporate head hunting are like the new hot sales jobs. The nice thing is ive worked with people who had history or communications or whatever majors but they were extroverted and enjoyed working face to face with people or they had good phone skills amd hence were very successful. Its a low barrier to entry type of job and its very sink or swim but for a young person fresh out of college its a great job or any extroverted person who has sales skills.

Real Estate / Farm for sale in Poland - how to find a buyer from other country? [12]

Rural idyll? Have you ever worked on a farm? The scenery is beautiful, yes, but you have constant work - non stop. It's far from an idyllic life. Plus, if you run a dairy farm it constantly smells like manure. Yeah those subsidies and your tax zloty ensure that Poles and others who purchase from such farms can enjoy natural healthy food that's not loaded with hormones, antibiotics and all sorts of crap. Agriculture is especially popular in the eastern parts of Poland, which is far poorer than western PL. Also, farmers make far less money than say a city dweller working in an office. The agriculture industry is subsidized in a lot of countries - this is nothing extraordinary. In the US farmers receive subsidies too, nonetheless the average salary according to BLS of a farmer is around 40k a year.

Work / Polish citizen with American husband in Poland ~ work ops? [55]


Yup that's true. A bachelor's degree and a decent knowledge of English is pretty much expected for even low paying jobs like even bank teller or retail store manager.

According to an article I read recently, apparently over 30% of Poles speak English (the level of proficiency is another subject though)

Poles are very, very educated. In the cities almost all the youth knows English. However, jobs are very low paying - from entry level to even senior positions. However, there are opportunities so it's worth looking. I don't know what the job prospects specific to your field would be in Poland, but I do know that there are some well paid corporate jobs. There are a few companies that are willing to pay 10k, 15k, even as high as 20k a month for the right person. Whatever you're making in the states divide that by around 1/3 and you'll get an idea of what you'd make in PL.


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Work / Polish citizen with American husband in Poland ~ work ops? [55]


Poland is a great place to raise a family. It will be difficult for a non-Polish speaker to find work unless they have a very unique skill.


Forget about supporting a family of 3 with an English teaching job. Not going to happen. Average English teacher makes $600-$1k a month, the top 5-10% or so will make $2k a month if they have a masters, teach at an elite school, have a ton of experience, tutor on the side, etc.

The best paying careers in Poland ATM are in IT, especially for expats. Fintech is becoming more popular. A lot of MNC's are located in Poland so you can probably land some decent job in communications in PL but even a $30k-$40k a year job is considered to be at the very top. Usually such jobs are by people who speak English, Polish, and oftentimes a 3rd language, have 10-20+ years experience, a masters/phd, etc.

You can consider putting student loan payments on hold while you're in Poland. I know quite a few people who took out loans and then left the US to start a life abroad. One guy took a $1mil down loan against a convenient store he owned and is living it up in India now.

I am also a dual US/PL citizen and am gradually making the move to Poland. I absolutely love Poland and desire to spend the rest of my life there. Hope everything works out for you. The cost of living is much lower with gasoline, cars, and luxury imports being more costly. However, real estate, good, rent, bills, etc. tend to be far cheaper than a large US city.

Real Estate / Farm for sale in Poland - how to find a buyer from other country? [12]

I pm'd him about it... he wants $1.7 mil for a dairy farm in the middle of nowhere in NE Poland... Its a rip off...

Farm land is pretty hard to buy/sell due to the new restrictions. I think you have to be an owner for like 10 years before you sell it or something like that. The plus is if you own land zoned as agricultural you receive a different sort of insurance than ZUS and certain social benefits.