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Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

When it comes to identity I tend to rank a person's cultural and linguistic affinity over their genetic make up.

Who can have a cultural and linguistic affinity to Esperanto???

That's the crux of this discussion...and very much on topic btw.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

as i mentioned, allegedly the second biggest constructed language after esperanto.

Jaaaaaa....but so much cooooler!

(Btw, appreciated your taking the patent of it as a German product. Really.)

Well..it's "made in Germany" actually! :)

but if a quarterhorse is raised in a racing stable and can keep up and outrun a thoroughbred in the long haul, isn't it still a racing horse?

For what stable team is it cheering?
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

..a "donner shop"?

:)

Only as a saner alternative to learning Klingon (you don't have to wear a plastic mask to speak esperanto).

Ooooh Klingon rocks!

That would be an alternative... :)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

you know, through my upbringing and whatnot. So, we've established that the language doesn't matter all that much

We have established that we can't communicate, that is.

Ah, it's all coming out now! I bet you don't like clowns either because one scared you when you were 5.

Hey! How did you know? ;)
Most kids actually don't like clowns I've read!

urgh! What a weird idea... as a brit ex-pat the idea of learning the language of the country where I'm living is just appalling!

Heh:)
But you would propose the idea of learning Esperanto???
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

An Ami!

A true German would always cheer the Mannschaft! :)
(And for sure not the Underdog...say...England...if we play each other...no no!)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

I learn Greek at 3 and German at 5...now I'm 25, I've lived in Germany all my life, what am I?

I've thought you were an Ami?

What football team do you cheer for? ;)

You needed to say this some decades ago when you needed labor power.

"I" didn't invite them nor did "I" know what problems they would bring with them.

But now we are trying to do better....Merkel is inviting especially european work force for the coming labor shortage due the german economy boom. Just to avoid to get to many of new problems inside...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

It seems his family didn't see themselves as natives there...

Reminds me about the problems with the (some) german Turks...spells only problems!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

But the cultures behind them are often dead, so why learn it?

Because of our history they communicate? Just an idea...they (contrary to Esperanto) belong to our rich european history...

And no..most of these cultures live on in one way or another...

Esperanto is bigger than many natural languages and is still being used as a lingua france, albeit on a much smaller level.

Erm...that must be on another planet...I never heard or read of that...

Soros learned it when it was still a thriving part of European intellectual society, before WW2.

He should have better learned hungarian...he was living there after all.

Listen, they teached us pupils in the GDR schools about the "noble idea of unifying Esperanto" and like the "noble idea of unifying communism" where all people understand and like each other it won't work...

No wonder the most ardent proponents were Jews and Lefties...But even today Israeli Jews are very much concerned with Hebrew...ask them if they would give one of the oldest cultures of the world up for artificial Esperanto.

Nah and the idea of Communism should be dead for good now...so is Esperanto (besides for some nerds)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

Jealous of him being successful? I don't think you mind his making Britain central bank 1 billion pound lose. Maybe, just becaue he speaks Esperanto you call artificial.?

Robbers, cheats and thieves are successfull too (as long as they don't get caught)...doesn't make me jealeous of them.

But growing up without any roots whatsoever might have a hand in his development..who knows.
His parents hadn't any scruples to experiment with him...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

Both, all three. Why not. I can see how this would be confusing to someone that grew up in a monoculture household... but, culture transcends just Hesse, German, European...

There is an Esperanto culture?

You keep up mixing things...you compare a language which is build upon, build with, reason for a whole culture with the empty shell Esperanto.

No, you wouldn't call your heritage Esperanto...as there isn't any beside an artificial language.

You can call your heritage German or American or Polish or whatever and also your knowledge of Esperanto but that isn't the same!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

You talking about G. Soros? You pitying him the 15th richest person of the world?

I don't pity him...I just don't like him!

I mean, European scholars used to study ancient dead languages and many could converse in them... but there was no living culture.

They still do because at one time they haven't been dead but living (and the Lingua Franca in vast parts of the world)...something Esperanto never was to begin with!

Esperanto has around 2 million speakers. That is more than some 'natural' languages.

And yet these natural languages are natural for a reason and have a culture behind them.

You will never make Esperanto to a real language...they are trying that for decades...it never caught not and never will, for good reasons.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

it's not that difficult to speak two languages by the time you're 4. Dunno, maybe Soros and I are "special".

You don't get it, don't you?
It's not about how many languages you learned to speak...it's about the living, vibrant cultures behind them!

What would you call your heritage? German? American? Could you see yourself saying: My heritage is Esperanto! ?
There is nothing to show off with that...just some dusty, totally artificial experiment...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

Seems that a language can create it's own culture: A danish parent and a Polish parent...

Looks more like an identity problem...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

Esperanto isn't isolated when you have a community of esperanto speakers and daddy is a writer.

In a country whose native language is not-esperanto it IS isolating....instead to unify people it is putting up barriers. Think about that!
Soro's parents didn't help their baby with that experiment...

Your native language stems from your parents first, then from the country you grow up in.
As I said it's much more than just a means to communicate...it's your whole heritage.

I pity these "world people" with no real homes and who prefer an artificial language to their own rich heritage...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

I have friends who are german and Polish and speak English in front of their kids. The kids are growing up at least bilingual, with an understanding of English thrown in.

That's not the question...these are real languages...with real cultures, peoples and countries behind it. A fully normal thing...

Esperanto is anything but normal but an isolated, artificial thingy!

Doubtful, but he learned Esperanto before Hungarian. I still speak to my mother in German even though the "outside world" didn't speak German.

When should that have been, learning hungarian that is...as he started school?
Till then no contact with Hungary otherwise??? Very doubtful...or a sick childhood in a sick family!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

Not for the kid..I don't refute the fact that Soros' parents tried an experiment with their newborn.
But you don't grow up in a vacuum!
Languages are easy for a kid that 's true...but when you live in a country and interact with a country you take on the language of the country.

Did his parents forbade him to learn hungarian and to interact with hungarian children? Did the family voluntarily live in a parallel world?

No wonder he panned out the criminal he is...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

Sure there is. That was his first language. The power was his parents.

He is an Hungarian, isn't he?

I doubt he could communicate with his environment and the other children next door in Esperanto....
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2011
History / Esperanto - an effort by a Pole ... [122]

and George Soros, of all people, is an Esperanto Native Speaker.

..I doubt there can be such a thing as a "native esperanto speaker".
It's an artificial language which has to be voluntarily learned after you grew up with your real native language.

The problem with Esperanto and other artificial languages is that there is no power behind it, no culture, no charisma...

Every language is more than only a means to communicate, it's literature, music, philosophy, inventions, discussions, a way of thinking, of seeing the world...also ever lingua franca of it's time (Latin, french, german, english etc.) became it for several economical and cultural reasons...Esperanto has nothing of it..it's an empty shell only good for some idealistic book worms. That's why it never caught on...
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

...by use of strict measures and policies. Sometimes we must do it, whether they like it or not. For the common good of man! ... Yes ... at all costs.

!

Now where did I heard that before....
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

Work in the modern world tends to be boring. I envy the Gypsies laying about. Whats with the Protestant Work Ethic infecting a Polish discussion forum? Most of you sound like uptight petty bourgeois shopkeepers. I wish the Gypsies would turn the lot of you into werewolves for then you would be able to revel in the simple animal joys of life without caring about being goofy "productive" members of society.

Little problem with your theory would be that the Gypsies can only live that way because the bourgeois shopkeeper with their protestant work ethic provide their living.

Imagine we all would live like them....who would you beg for money, food and welfare then?

Somebody has to do the dirty, hard work to keep things going! And it's much more satisfying in the end when you see what you have done at the day's end...and at your life's end. Begging brings no pride nor dignity.
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

Maybe its simply "our" Romanys havent faced the level of hysterical persecution the mainland european Roma have ,at least in the last couple of hundred years. Some level of persecution yes but it would be like an american jew comparing 40s US anti sematisim to 40s german anti semitism...

...you could take the mainland ones too...win-win for all! :)

(for what it's worth, in Wroclaw, there's far more problems with homeless Poles than any Gypsies)

Difference could be Poles are homeless in Poland...imagine Poles homeless, stealing and begging in Gypsie-land!

...oopsie..
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

When did I demand re-education camps or ovens for the Roma?

Heh:) You wouldn't know a real Nazi if he kicked you in the ass!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

One thing that can be said about the Romani: at least they've never committed genocide. Stealing nine million wallets is a trifle when compared to murdering 9 million people.

But annoying nonetheless...

And please tolerate my fucktards way as you do with the Roma ways! Stop being so intolerant against us Germans! I feel discriminated because of past crimes! How dare you!!! :(
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

The best any of you can come up with is forced integration, which has been tried numerous times in the past and still hasn't worked.

No...I gave the example of Bremen.
They issued a law against giving money on the streets to minor beggars. Soon after the begging women with their children vanished out of the town.

They keep their culture and their way of life - but not in Bremen anymore. What's wrong with that?

Berlin did go another much disputed way...the Senat paid for a clan of homeless Roma (around 100 members) a middle sized hotel...from our taxes btw...
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

What I meant is: it isn't ok to look the other way when one group commits a crime, but persecute / prosecute all others if the same crime is commited if they aren't a member of the first group.

Of course not!

But Harry for example seems to think because my grandparents generation killed Roma I should better look elsewhere when they commit crimes today...

Tough question!

*goes pondering the burden of being a German*
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

you would support looking the other way when the Roma are prosecuted for thievery and drug dealing

Erm...I would also look the other way if non-Roma are prosecuted for thievery and drug dealing...

Am I now a Nazi? ...just to make sure...
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

BB's racism is even more disgraceful given that his grandparent's generation were the ones who tried to eradicate Romani from the planet.

And that's the reason I should just nodd and smile at their asocial behaviour? Maybe even support it?
Explain your logic please....

Why?

To avoid the clashes with the natives?
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

Well, we can blame you lot for that: if you'd finished what you got halfway through, there'd be none of them left to project any image at all.

Doubtful....you never get them all...

PS: I wish I had that much fantasy and time to "project" an image...but the reality keeps kicking you in the face!

Were Polish people content living in someone else's culture?
NO, to the extent they fought for their own country back.

They didn't quite wander into someone else's country...to the contrary someone else's country tried to took them over.

How you can that compare to the nomadic Gypsies is beyond me!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Jan 2011
News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

Do Romani want their own country?

I never heard them demand their own country...hmmm..

I doubt that for 500 years no Romani has ever integrated.
We are talking of a culture not an individual.

The integrated, settled down Roma aren't the problem people talk about.....

True, Podolski comes to mind!

The typical German from the Ruhr area is called "Kowalski"! :)
(In Berlin often too...)