News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


China. Try to find a product over here (in the US) for example that doesn't have a "Made in China" printed on it. Almost impossible.


That millions of Poles left their country is irrelevant? I beg to differ. It helped the economy, yes, but what Poland did was in essence to get rid of a potential time bomb. Without the emigration the country would have faced (and would still face) massive unemployment, an economic downturn and maybe even civil unrest like in Spain or Greece. The Polish politicians were quite clever, but they could solve part of their problem only by moving it to other countries. Out of sight, out of mind so to say - much like the Turks did when they started to export millions of their countrymen to western Europe in the early 1960's.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


So what is the Ministry of Treasury of the Republic of Poland saying? "Invest in Poland - we can provide cheap slaves with a university degree"? It is quite obvious that the Polish government wants to attract investors based on the fact that there are plenty of highly skilled workers for comparatively low wages readily available. What do you think will happen when the foreign investors find another place that can provide the same educated workforce, but for less money? Ask the Irish about Dell, and you'll have the answer.


Very interesting. To be blunt: does that mean that the Polish government cheated and lied to bring investors into the country? Is the level of education in Poland much lower than the government claims? Pawian, can you comment on this, please?

History / Which countries are Polands friends, which are Polands enemies? [75]


Why is it that the Brits (and French) only declared war on Germany while Poland was invaded by another country as well? The official answer is the treaty with Poland, but the truth is something else:


The reason for Britain to participate in both WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with "defending democracy" or "liberating Poland". It was all about influence, power and getting rid of a global competitor (a.k.a. Germany).

Just saw it: the first quote is not by Trevek, but by MarcinD. Sorry.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


According to this source, Poland is chosen by foreign investors mainly because it offers cheap, educated labor. Maybe Adam Leszczynski has a point after all?

busa.org.za/docs/Unique%20Investment%20Opportunities%20in%20Poland.pdf

"Owing to its still relatively low labour costs and highly qualified young workers, Poland is the leader in attracting direct foreign investments. ... According to the Polish Information and Foreign Investment Agency (PAIiIZ), the decisive factor in BOS companies choosing Poland is the availability of highly educated and relatively inexpensive professionals."


You forgot to mention that there was a decline of 32% in 2010...

paiz.gov.pl/poland_in_figures/foreign_direct_investment

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Most likely too long. There's a reason why young Poles left their country in droves.


No doubt about that.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Well, at least I have some arguments... :)

You sound like an Israeli politician playing the Holocaust card.


Do you really believe that Poland would have made it this far without outside help?


The author was a Pole in case you haven't noticed.

guardian.co.uk/profile/adam-leszczynski

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


In what condition is your wonderful Polish economy if it needs 67 billion Euros in aid, when millions of your fellow countrymen and women chose to leave, and when the young generation seems to have been abandoned by your political class?

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/31/poland-youth-low-grade-work

You're hopelessly naive, Pawian ... but optimistic, I'll give you that... :)

All I was saying is that it leaves a very bad impression when a country accepts billions in foreign aid, but at the same time hands out generous credits to an organization like the IMF. Looks like hubris to me.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Doesn't it? ;)

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]

If a country is able to give away 6.27 billion Euros to the IMF crooks, how come that it still needs the funding from the EU? Some Polish politicians are trying to punch above their weight, that's all there is to it.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]

bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-20/poland-may-remain-top-net-recipient-of-eu-funding-minister-says.html

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Giving away EU funds to the IMF?

History / Poland did reasonably well in land terms out of the postwar settlement [270]


Recovered territories? Damn commie... ;)

BTW: even in the USA there's a Breslau and a Stettin...

placenames.com/us/p827629/
placenames.com/us/p1584221/

Life / Polish word for 'queue' [18]



Sissies... :)

History / Poland did reasonably well in land terms out of the postwar settlement [270]


The only winners of WW2 were the USSR and the USA; everybody else lost.

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't both the orthodox and protestant church (or their church services, respectively) made illegal in Poland-Lithuania and Poland during certain time periods?

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]


She's most likely referring to a boring old story which has been discussed on PF ad nauseam. Try to find the thread if you're interested (look for postings of Bratwurst Boy), and you will see that there is much more to it than the primitive black and white picture Monia is trying to paint.

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


Do you really know what's going on in Europe? Before you come to the wrong conclusion that the comments about the Turks in Germany/ Europe were just another xenophobic diatribe, I would suggest that you educate yourself a little and read about the issues both Turks and host cultures are dealing with. There's plenty of information available on the web; for example...

hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-germany-clash-over-integration.aspx?pageID=438&n=turkey-germany-clash-over-integration-2011-03-01

...and it seems your country is no different when it comes to immigration:

hurriyetdailynews.com/turks-view-immigration-negatively-survey-says.aspx?pageID=438&n=turks-view-immigration-negatively-survey-says-2011-08-24

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


I wish Poland all the best, but as I've said already: look west (not only Germany, but everywhere) and you will see what happens if your country is not careful.


Problem of Germany, not mine... ;)
We have a similar problem in Australia - not with Turks but with Lebanese.

sydney.edu.au/arts/peace_conflict/research/racism.shtml
lebanesechess.blogspot.com/2007/07/australias-lebanon-problem.html


LOL!
But that's what many Turks/Kurds do - importing their future wifes, which are often cousins, from Turkey. They even observed an increase in genetic defects amongst the Turkish population in Berlin because of this behavior.

tagesspiegel.de/berlin/verwandtenehe-tuerken-sollen-sich-dem-problem-stellen/416396.html

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


In theory, yes, but if you look across the border to the west you will see that many, many Turks never integrate (they are even told so by their current prime minister Erdogan). The child will be a Polish citizen, but first and foremost it will be a Turk, speaking Turkish as his/her first language, and being brought up with Turkish values. If the child is a boy, he will most likely not marry a Polish girl but bring a woman from Turkey. That's how it works in the west (not always, of course, but very often), and that cycle is what's creating all the problems. Don't get me wrong - the Turks have every right to preserve their culture, but on the long run it creates a lot of social issues for the host country. Again: look west and observe what happens. Poland is not immune to that development, even if you said that the pressure in Poland to integrate is very high.

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]


Did your shrink write that down for you? :)

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]


So in your opinion, several hundreds of thousands of people who died during the ethnic cleansing in the east are just victims of some unimportant "common crime"? The atrocities that happened in the so-called labor camps of Potulice, Zgoda and Jaworzno for example are just "common crimes"? If that is so, we should end this discussion. I will file you under "just another PiS doofet".

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]


How blonde are you? We are NOT comparing the severity of crimes (the Germans win hands down), we are talking about the fact that crimes happened on BOTH sides.

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]


The only correct version of history is the Polish one. Geez, where have I read that one before? :)

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

@pawian

The title of this thread is "The story about German- Polish reconciliation". How can you talk about reconciliation while at the same time calling the ethnic cleansing that happened after WW2 "resettlement"? I assume that you also call the lands that Stalin gave to Poland the "recovered territories", right? Seriously, pawian, everybody knows that a lot of sick sh*t happened during and immediately after WW2. Ignoring it, belittling it, or pretrending that it didn't happen helps no one. Poland has to take the same responsibility for her history as the Germans did for theirs. Anything else doesn't make sense.


Just remind me how many Germans were killed while being "resettled". I hope you understand the difference.


So it's okay to use the horrible crimes that the Germans committed as an excuse for your own crimes? You catholics are such hypocrites... :) :)

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]


The only thing outrageous is your commie speak, but since you grew up in that system, you're excused... :)

/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

Quote:
An earlier draft by the Commission of Experts described ethnic cleansing as "the planned deliberate removal from a specific territory, persons of a particular ethnic group, by force or intimidation, in order to render that area ethnically homogenous."

Sounds familiar, eh?

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Your problem if you cannot cope with the truth. Guess you were indoctrinated too much during your commie education... :)

History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]


Nice word for an ethnic cleansing that turned out to be quite deadly for a lot of people.

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


Let's say, a few million Ukrainians move to Poland. Would they be welcomed by the locals, or would the same problems arise as in the west? What's your opinion?

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


I don't doubt that. The question was what to do about a shrinking population in Poland.


Whom do you have in mind?

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


Good luck with that, because all European nations (not to forget the USA, Canada and Australia) want these people and Poland has to face a keen competition. The difficult language and the reputation of ex-communist countries in the west are also not very helpful in this respect. Poland is heading in the right direction, but I believe that the country needs a few more decades of development before it can seriously think about competing for highly skilled immigrants.