History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance#Polish-British_common_defence_pact

On the same day when Britain pledged her support of Poland, Lord Halifax stated: "We do not think this guarantee will be binding". Other British diplomat, Alexander Cadogan wrote in his diary: "Naturally, our guarantee does not give any help to Poland. It can be said that it was cruel to Poland, even cynical".

@doug

... in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power. They have given the Polish Government an assurance to this effect.

I may add that the French Government have authorised me to make it plain that they stand in the same position in this matter as do His Majesty's Government

That was Britain's 'word' to help us.... obviously they did not... they didn't even make a half hearted 'attempt' as you claim....

Poles on the other hand helped the allies in the Battle of Britain, at Monte Cassino, all over Italy, and numerous other battles. Poland could have received supplies primarily from the US (not UK) as they were more than willing to fly in military aid but Stalin refused to allow US/UK planes to land in the USSR. To my understanding, only 1 airdrop was completed.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


It absolutely was. They did NOTHING MEANINGFUL for Poland during WW2 and also immediately after.

Churchill and Wilson were too scared of Stalin, but even Churchill had more balls than anyone else out of the Allied leaders. Perhaps if the Brits manned up and listened to Churchills idea to retake Poland, even if it failed, Poles wouldn't believe in the western betrayal. Even our military leaders publicly say that Poland's history proves it cannot rely on allies and can only rely on itself to defend the country.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

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HAHAHAHAH What pledges? How exactly did Britain or any of the allies intervene when the Nazis invaded Poland? They did NOTHING!!! They declared war on Hitler and then sat on their hands. I guess if their pledge was zero military support, then yes Britain kept its word.


So when did exactly British troops land in Poland and help to repel the Nazis? they did NOTHING. Attempted???? rofl attempted how exactly? Like many Brits today even they're all talk, no walk. I don't recall any British pilots bombing Nazi targets in Poland. I don't recall any Allied marines landing on the beaches of the Baltic. I don't recall any challenger or mk tanks knocking out panzers. What I do recall though is POLES helping in the Battle of Britain.


The west including UK and even the USSR were simply sick of war and didn't want to keep fighting. That's the main reason why the Allies never helped Poland.

Operation Unthinkable was supported by Churchill to recover Poland from the USSR. However, everyone was sick of fighting and the operation never left the early planning phases. Everyone was simply sick of the millions of deaths - understandably so.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Well, Churchill wanted to liberate Poland (operation unthinkable I believe it was called) but of course it was cancelled. The West didn't do sh1t for Poland - hence the Western Betrayal. France and England did NOTHING when Poland was invaded. Absolutely no material support...

If Russia or another country invaded again it's highly likely that the pansies would again do nothing. That is why Poland must be strong on its own and rely first and foremost on themselves.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

So would any person that worked in PRL regardless of their position.... you have to work to survive even if you disagree with the government's policies. Otherwise,

that same exact argument could be made against you since you are helping perpetuate the current system that PiS has installed in Poland by working, living in the country, and pay taxes. Every milk bar, waiter, grocery store, kiosk, etc. did the exact same thing as we did - provide food, work and paid taxes. And no, I don't have much of a problem with Russians. I find that Russians and Poles actually have a lot in common seeing as we're both traditional, Christian Slavs that reject the multiculturalism, hordes of migrants from ME/Africa, have a populist government, have made gay marriage illegal, etc.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


That's extremely pathetic that people have to keep 'index cards' about individuals they've never met from an online forum. Here's a new index card for you to make - write in big bold letters GET A LIFE! Don't you have friends, a wife, or anyone else in the real world you guys can devote energy too instead of seeing if a stranger you've never met stories line up? And you're just as pathetic for referencing such...

But fyi if you're going to play detective, at least get the facts straight. Yes, an uncle owns a towering hotel in a mid sized town near Katowice but not in that city itself. The meat business supplied meat to anyone willing to pay/barter for it and it was in Wroclaw - some of those may or may not have included commies. Idk...


Hitler didn't even want to attack Britain as he saw the Brits as Aryans. France rolled over completely - the entire country of France despite all their equipment held out for less time than just the Warsaw Uprising alone. Pathetic bunch of pansies. Polish airmen helped Britain win numerous battles against the Luftwaffe.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Who is he then? Yashu/Yeshu is the Hebrew translation for Jesus.... Miriam (who in the Talmud is called a ***** for being a daughter from a fairly well off family but nonetheless slummed it with carpenters) of course is not Mary either right?


Yup.... Sanhedrin 54 55 and kethuboth 11


At least it doesn't have the pedophilia and calls to murder, rob, cheat everyone except people of that religion - unlike the Talmud...

Sanhedrin 55b,p.376. "A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years and one day."
Sanhedrin 54b . "A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years."=
Sanhedrin 54b, 55a ."If a man commits sodomy with a boy less than nine years old, they are both guilty of sodomy"
Kethuboth 11b, p.58: "Sexual intercourse with a girl less than three is 'nothing'", or: [Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

More explanations of the horrific passages from a Jewish source:

juchre.org/talmud/sanhedrin/sanhedrin3.htm#54a

One of many disgusting examples: (2) The reference is to bestiality. If a woman allows herself to be made the subject thereof, whether naturally or not, she is guilty. But if a man commits bestiality, he is liable only for a connection in a natural manner, but not otherwise.Thus Rashi. Tosaf., more plausibly, explains it thus: If one commits incest or adultery with a woman, whether naturally or not, guilt is incurred;but bestiality is punishable only for a connection in a natural manner, but not otherwise.

So basically the Talmud says bestiality is okay.... sometimes

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Right from the Talmud:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat
The presence of Jesus the Nazarene in boiling excrement is one of the disputed references to Jesus in the Talmud.[2] Onkelos raises up Yeshu by necromancy,[3] and asks him about his punishment in Gehinnom.[4][5] Jesus replies that he is in "boiling excrement

So yes, the Talmud clearly states that Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement and says that Jesus said that himself.

The Text
Talmud Gittin 56b-57a
Onkelos Bar Kalonikus] called up Balaam from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Balaam] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Balaam] replied: (Deut. 23:7) "You shall not seek their peace or welfare all your days." [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Balaam answered]: In boiling semen.

[Onkelos] called up Yeshu from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Yeshu] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Yeshu] replied: Seek their good. Do not seek their bad. Whoever touches them is as if he touched the pupil of his eye.[Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Yeshu answered]: In boilingexcrement. As the mast said: Whoever mocks the words of the sages in punished in boiling excrement.

Other disgusting Talmud teachings: even if the Jesus one is questionable, there's still plenty of texts about pedophilia, murder, Jewish supremacy over goyim, statements that it's okay to rob, kill, cheat, etc goys

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews, Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.


Actually very few aside from Revelations. The New Testament and Gospels teach forgiveness, peace, etc. Jesus forgave everyone who sought forgiveness according to the New Testament. The Talmud instead said it's totally fine to kill innocent goyim since they are as animals and that it's okay to have sex with a 9 years old. At least Koran and the Talmud appear to have that pedophilia in common.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

The Talmud states numerous times it is permissible to kill, rob, cheat, steal from goyim. It even cites a specific example stating it's permissible to remove a ladder from under a goy so that he falls. It is permissible to take goy's organs as well but not drink milk from a cow that was milked by a goy according to the Talmud, let alone sit at the same table. It also states that Jesus is boiling in hell in excrement for being a blasphemer.

The Talmud also cites that they are not to reveal any of the things within the Talmud under punishment of death. It also states that if goys found out what was in the Talmud they'd sure kill the Jews. Hence any Jewish source defending the Talmud is clearly biased.


From your own source - ."In Zohar, I, 38b and 39a: 'Jews must never cease to exterminate the goim; they must never leave them in peace and never submit to them'

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Mainly after the translation of the Talmud by a convert


Well there are many accounts and records (most probably exaggerated though) of Jews sacrificing Greeks, English children (Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln - who's body was found in a pit on a Jewish owner's land), a Russian child who has now been canonized, and numerous other accounts of Christian children suddenly being killed and then winding up in a river or some pit all strangely around the time of Passover.

However, the Talmud does state 'JEW WHO KILLS A CHRISTIAN COMMITS NO SIN, BUT OFFERS AN ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICE TO GOD

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Very few people in Poland would rather have communism than the current system though. Of course the PRL had certain advantages - families were much closer, there wasn't nearly as much materialism, people didn't have to work as hard, etc. So yes in that sense some of the older people are nostalgic regarding those things. Nonetheless, very few would say that they'd trade the post 2004 EU entry and democratic system for 70's or 80's PRL.


That's simply your opinion - just as it's the opinion of most Polish ww2 survivors that the Nazi treatment of the average Pole was far worse than that of the Soviets.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


I have no fam in Katowice


That's probably why they were arrested/killed/sent to camps.... poor/average non combatants that didn't fight against the Nazis were mostly spared... when the Russians came through the villages though everyone hid in the forests - they didn't do the same when the Nazis were rolling through the countryside...


I never said that though. You clearly have issues with reading comprehension. I never stated my own personal beliefs aside from both regimes being awful. I stated that the majority of Polish (non jew) ww2 survivors view the Nazis as less heinous and atrocious than the Soviets. Go to the villages and ask old people and they'll tell you stories of how Nazis would hand out candy to the kids and even shared food,

Again, ask a bunch of old polish ww2 survivors yourselves who was worse. They'll tell you it was the Soviets - guaranteed. Regardless of the stats, Polish survivors still view the Soviet occupation as far worse than the Nazi

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Germans were more efficient in mass killing. Also, most of those killed at Auschwitz were Jews, not Poles. The Jews obviously view the Nazis as the greater evil, the Polish survivors view the Soviets as the greater evil. To this day Polish patriots and the millions of right wingers in PL continue to view authoritarian populism and right wing ideals (perhaps even fascism to an extent esp amongst the youth and kibole that NOP tends to attract) over communism.


Regardless of the facts, Polish (non-Jewish) ww2 survivors still view Nazis as the lesser evil. Perhaps its because they were under the commies for 50 years. Even if the body count is lower, Poles still tend to have a far more unfavorable view of Stalin, the Soviet occupation, etc. than the Nazis. Both were bad, but again nonetheless regardless of the facts the majority Polish ww2 survivors view the Nazis as the lesser evil.


I could never defeat the master baiter

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Again, regardless Polish WW2 survivors nonetheless view the Nazis as the lesser of two evils despite all your stats. Most of the Poles that were killed were combatants whether from the army, AK, a few conscripted in the Wehrmacht, saboteurs, rebels, etc.

Also, according to Soviet archives, there were around 1.6 million deaths during the whole period from 1929 to 1953 in the gulag system. Another 1993 study gives a figure of 1 million from 1929 to 1953. So yes, whatever you want to label it over a million died - far higher than your question of 'when did hundreds of thousands die in Russian death camps'

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

No just prisons where millions (as opposed to hundreds of thousands) were overworked to death in freezing temps, not a death camp at all.

Yeah my unclr was saved by a nazi (not sure if ss or wermacht) against upa which wanted to kill his fam. But dont take just mine and greggys word for it - ask polish ww2 survivors who was worse nazis or soviets. The funny and kind of sad thing is if you included a third group, jews, a lot wojld say they were the worse but certainly less people than soviets, some might even go on to talk about the zydokomuna

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Well the nop managed to host the worlds largest patriotic right wing march. What had the left in poland managed to do besides lose? You just dont like the fact poles overwhelmingly reject multiculturalism, gay marraige, etc. Yet here you are an open communist working with african countries to send migrants to poland and propogating some gender as a social construct garbage. Wbich again begs the unanswered question - why are you in poland if what you believe is is the exact opposite of what the majority of the people do?

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

And there you go with the insults and word twisting because your too dumb to have a half decent convo or debate. Toodloo

And yes most polish voters according to cbos support right wing parties as pis and kukiz support exceed the 50% threshold. Sorry jon polands commie days are history and no one wants them back.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Sure how about the gulag system spanning smolensk over siberia and into kazakhstan and even the far east.

Again harry, you probably know better than anyone that polish ww2 survivors preferred nazi treatment over soviet just as my uncles fam and greggys fam. Some of the more antisemitic ones even saw it as a worthwhile loss to eliminate almost all the jews in poland. Ask a few survivors though in pl who was worse nazis or russians and i guaruntee you the majority of them will say soviets were way worse. Such as the views of ww2 survivors in pl, not necessarily my own

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

I never said russia did morr or less damage so stop twisting words. i said that to the average polish christian ww2 survivor, nazi treatment was preferable as it was seen as the lesser evil than the russian commies. I think it just bugs you that polish ww2 survivors all the way to todays youth embrace fascism and right wing populism far more than communism and left wing liberalism which are absolutely despised and always has been. Fascism was prevalent in pl even before ww2 i.e. szturmowcy to which NOP is the successor.. and i dont think i need to point out the popularity of pis, the largest right wing marches on earth take place in pl, etc etc

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Modern day germanistan the samw country still kissing kosher rump roast

Of course pl is never going to get anything from russia. They cant provide for their own vets yet you think rheyll pay reparations to poland. Germanys neuroris of their ww2 guilt.must be used to get money for polosh survivors before merkels out

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Regardless harry, and you probably know this better than anyone since youve spent a lot of time in poland, polish ww2 survivors preferred the treatment of the nazis over the soviets as they were far less cruel to the average citizen and non combatant.

A lot of poles were considered aryan esp those around silesia so they had the same rights as the german colonists

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

No ones promoting nazi rule. I stated that most polish ww2 survivors preferred the nazis over soviets, like even greggy pointed out. That doesnt mean i support nazi domination of poland as i want my people to be free of subjugation as most poles feel hence that currnt battle against eus dictates and muslim invasion which poles are winning.

Dont take my word for it though ask a few polish ww2 survivors yourself who was worse nazis or soviets.

It was seen as the lesser of two evils for the poles, but an evil nonetheless that was destroying the country hence why poland needa atleast the same amount the jews got.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

@jon357

Yes they were nonetheless awful, granted most non combatants suvivors eyes (and even some combatants from ak) still preferred nazis over soviets. Hence its high time for poland to get the same reparations as the jews as the body counts are roughly equal

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Regardless almost any ww2 polish (not polish jew) survivor will tell you they preferred nazi occupation over soviet occupation any day. The nazis didnt treat the average non combatant in nearly the same way as russians/soviets. Same thing in ukraine thats why theres such a hatred of moskals as they call them. The ukranians too tend to prefer nazi rule over soviet amd indeed collaborated with nazis against soviets. However when nazis refused to allow ukraine to be independent the upa fought against them

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

@TheOther

Ask any old polisg ww2 survivor and like greggys example thwyll tell you the treatment under the nazis pales in comparison to the soviets. For one the nazis didnt commit anything like katyn against the poles. Most of the poles who were killed by Nazis were enemy combatants or civilians who helped jews, saboteurs, spies, etc. Also a lot of poles were 'germanized' esp around silesia and most poles were simply left alone by the nazis as long as they didnt help jews or fight against the..

The nazis never had a program or any plans to exterminate poles as a nation so your statement that without the russians poles wouldve been wiped out is incorrect. They used poles for forced labor yes but there wasnt a final solution for poles in the nazis eyes.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


I'm well aware of Purim - my gf came from an orthodox family.

King Darius wasn't in charge when the Jews massacred thousands of innocent civilians. It was likely Xerxes and he trusted Mordechai to be his right hand man. And yes, one particular individual in the Persian court wanted to do something about the all the jews that were suddenly coming into Persia. He and another person wanted to kill the jews but the conspirators were caught and executed - end of conspiracy. But that wasn't enough dead goys - they needed thousands of innocent civilians to truly make the event memorable.

Jon it's well known that Jews were involved in the slave trade both in Europe, Africa, ME, etc. Even in certain cities in South America slave auctions weren't held on the Sabbath as so many Jews participated in this trade. To an extent Israel still keeps people in prison and refuses to take in any refugees not to mention help out migrants from Africa. They capture Africans, put them in Holot prison to work for a few shekels, then give them a grand and a plane ticket back to Africa once they've decided the goy is no longer needed.

USA, Canada / Polish-Jewish survivor of the Holocaust celebrates her 100th birthday [29]


How do you expect Christians, whether Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic to react to a people who revere a book which states Mary was a ***** who slummed it with carpenters and Jesus is boiling in hell in a bath of excrement? Do you think that non-Jews, referred to as cattle by the Jews, their scripture and in Hebrew, shouldn't be upset over statements which state its okay to kill a goy, steal from him, have sex with a 3 year old, etc ? Maybe if the Jews weren't practicing usury and loansharking everywhere they went in Europe and didn't have books which deeply insult Catholicism they wouldn't of worn out their welcome in over 100 different places over 2 millennia.

Longer list of all the places Jews were kicked out of - biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm
Also includes all the heinous crimes of the Zionist Entity

They've went from bullied to bully very quickly.

USA, Canada / Polish-Jewish survivor of the Holocaust celebrates her 100th birthday [29]

Of course it's everyone's fault BUT theirs....

Jews were being kicked out of countries, kingdoms, cities, etc left and right well before Luther's time. It wasn't just one odd country or city or two that got sick and tired of the Jews - it was over a hundred over the span of millennia! They managed to wear out their welcome in nearly every single large city in Europe - truly a feat of accomplishment. It's the only group to have been kicked out of so many different countries. They literally wore out their welcome EVERYWHERE they went.

Here is a short list and years of all the places Jews were kicked out of - if you go by countries, kingdoms, principalities, states, cities, etc. the list is well over 100... But of course an entire continent with dozens of different nationalities is to blame for their anti-Semitism - never the Jews' actions within those lands. They literally had no where else to go after centuries of wearing out their welcome everywhere they went and BEGGED to be let back into Poland

Expulsions of Jews from Host Nations: 1). A.D. 250, Carthage; 2). 415, Alexandria; 3). 554, Diocese of Clement (France); 4). 561, Diocese of Uzzes (France); 5). 612, Visigoth Spain; 6). 642, Visigoth Empire; 7). 855, Italy; 8). 876, Sens; 9). 1012, Mayence; 10). 1181, France; 11). 1290, England; 12). 1306, France; 13). 1348, Switzerland; 14). 1349, Hielbronn (Germany); 15). 1349, Hungary; 16). 1388, Strasbourg; 17). 1394, Germany; 18). 1394, France; 19). 1422, Austria; 20). 1424, Fribourg & Zurich; 21). 1426, Cologne; 22). 1432, Savory; 23). 1438, Mainz; 24). 1439, Augsburg; 25). 1446, Bavaria; 26). 1453, Franconis; 27). 1453, Breslau; 28). 1454, Wurzburg; 29). 1485, Vincenza (Italy); 30). 1492, Spain; 31). 1495, Lithuania; 32). 1497, Portugal; 33). 1499, Germany; 34). 1514, Strasbourg; 35). 1519, Regensburg; 36). 1540, Naples; 37). 1542, Bohemia; 38). 1550, Genoa; 39). 1551, Bavaria; 40). 1555, Pesaro; 41). 1559, Austria; 42). 1561, Prague; 43). 1567, Wurzburg, Genoese Republic; 44). 1569, Papal States; 45). 1571, Brandenburg; 46). 1582, Netherlands; 47). 1593, Brandenburg, Austria; 48). 1597, Cremona, Pavia & Lodi; 49). 1614, Frankfort; 50). 1615, Worms; 51). 1619, Kiev; 52). 1649, Ukraine; 53). 1654, LittleRussia; 54). 1656, Lithuania; 55). 1669, Oran (North Africa); 56). 1670, Vienna; 57). 1712, Sandomir; 58). 1727, Russia; 59). 1738, Wurtemburg; 60). 1740, LittleRussia; 61). 1744, Bohemia; 62). 1744, Livonia; 63). 1745, Moravia; 64). 1753, Kovad (Lithuania); 65). 1761, Bordeaux; 66). 1772, Jews deported to the Pale of Settlement (Russia); 67). 1775, Warsaw; 68). 1789, Alace; 69). 1804, Villages in Russia; 70). 1808, Villages & Countrysides (Russia); 71). 1815, Lubeck & Bremen; 72). 1815, Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria; 73). 1820, Bremes; 74). 1843, Russian Border Austria & Prussia; 75). 1862, Area in the U.S. under Grant's Jurisdiction; 76). 1866, Galatz, Romania; 77). 1919, Bavaria (foreign born Jews); 78). 1938-45, Nazi Controlled Areas; 79). 1948, Arab Countries. (International Jewish Encyclopedia).

Now the Zionists are exacting revenge upon goyim Europe just like their Talmud tells them to. They are allying with brainwashed liberals to bring in hordes of people from a totally other culture knowing there'd be clashes. Of course countries like Poland and more so Hungary even that resist are immediately criticized by ZOGs.


Perhaps they were also killed by the Michnik family like other Polish WW2 heroes.

Travel / Help with a travel plan to Poland [72]

Stick to Krakow and Zakopane for now imo.... depending on how much time you have to spend in PL too...

USA, Canada / Polish-Jewish survivor of the Holocaust celebrates her 100th birthday [29]

Oh they do - they go to the Germans, the Americans, the French, the Polish - basically anyone they can get to feel remorseful and be convinced that billions will right the wrongs of a single German government