History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Agreed.

Point is dont sign a mutual defense treaty if you dont plan to honor it

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That was up to your generals to fogure out having signed the polish british mutual defense treaty. They couldve easily used the scandinavian countries airspace and used convoys much like they did in the atlantic as the uboat thrrst in the baltic was as minimal as british help for poland in sept 1939.The point is they attemped NOTHING aka nada zilch as in zero battalions landing on shores far away from tricity, zero british destroyers to engage the schelswig holstein, zero squads of raf bombers decimating nazi supply convoys, zero paratrooper battalions, zero squadrons of spitfires shooting down stukas as they dive bombed warsaw... nada nothing zilch - thats the closest estimate to the british help, as well as the lack of even a meaningful attempt

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That has nothing to do with the fact that the brits broke their mutual defense treaty and never sent more than a squad of planes to help, not even a single british battalion came to help poland. Two entirely different topics. The topic thread is who first helped poland in ww2 - well def not the british as facts and history shows. Poles on the other hand did help the british with troops on the ground in london. Why did your troops never come to warsaw?

Protecting jews was punishable by death. As far as libel or even the merits of whether poland helped jews or not lets ask israel and yad vashem, who has awarded poland more righteous amongst the nations awards than any other country for saving jews. How many yad vashem awards does uk have? Who cares its less than poland

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Pfft Tricity isnt making any noise...

How would you depict polish ww2 history doug? What british divisions (not even a lil british battalion showed up let alone a regiment brigade or more) would you include as fighting on polish soil against the nazis or soviets? At most a squad or two (few dozen planes) dropped supplies at the warsaw uprising years after invasion and breaking of the polish british defense treaty. Thats what the facts and history show. Simply no british french or americam battalion sized formation or greater fought on polish turf

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There were no british ships landing in poland or fighting against the schelswig holstein at westerplatte

Riiiight so katyn never happened stalin never killed a single polish officer. Stalin did everything to prevent the polish government in exile, which was in London and sometimes parts of france up to the early 90s, from returning and ruling back home. Killing all the officials, officers of ak, and destroying any resistance is what allowed him to instill his own soviet puppet government

Even pilsudzski saw the soviets as far worse than nazis

Trial of the 16 also never occured... no the commies would never harm a pole fighting agaonst rhe nazis...

Except in the first victory parade in moscow nazis and soviets marched together, pravda newspaper declared it a crime for soviets to fight the nazis, and the molotov ribbentrop act def isnt a forgery... stalin sent grain to hitler while.his own people starved. Stalin was smart he wanted nazis to destroy europe so later he could come in with the red army as a pseudo liberator.. and some idiots who prolly flunked grade school history see him as such to this day

You should watch 'the soviet story' if you want to see how deep the collusion between stalin and hitler was.

Just like in the ussr in the 30s and 40s, todays anti fascists are really nazis

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So please tell me exactly what polish battle(s) did britain honor their mutual defense treaty with poland and sent their troops to help defend polish positions and help repel the invasion, or even fought against the nazis on polish turf between 1939 and 1945?

Seems to most poles the brits had 15 million men amd 6 years to honor their mutual defense treaty and help poland within our borders, but the brits chose not to. Hence theres plenty of facts and historical events about the 'western betrayal' for this and the next generation of poles to learn. Polish history is being looked at as an extremely important subject to get correct esp due to decades of commie whitewashing and western ass kissing. Museums films etc are finally providing a polish perspective of the war. The adults know about it so its up to us to pass it down and teach young poles they cant trust anyone to come to their aid - esp the west if thr country were ever invaded.

We sure as hell wouldnt expect the brits to come if russia invaded polamd tomorrow. Id put my money on trump, or even sooner germany as uk and france would be too busy playing shuttle diplomacy

If you want to know who really was the first to help poland... well there is no 'first' as no allied nation sent any significant sized units to defend poland against thw nazis and later the soviets. Britain made very limited air drops to warsaw during the uprising although no tanks troops etc neuther at the onset of the invasion or years after despite the polish british mutual defense treaty and us wanted to also make air drops but stalin wouldnt let us use his airfields. Hitler and stalin split thr country and hitler attacked stalin which was dumb asf. Well stalin bested him and drove nazis back to berlin while purposely killed polish officers and any remnants of the government in exile along the way which he aimed to replace with loyal officials and the red army kgb nkvd etc to enforce ussr rule

It was similar to the way stalin acted before but worse because marx and lenin had alwats hated poles as it is written in their works

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I used the wrong word it was considered part of commonwealth forces - those 4 made up the commonwealth during ww2

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Thats what was the 4th one was - united kingdom

United kingdom, dominions, imperial colonies, and colonial colonies totaled 15 mil commonwealth troops... yet they couldnt even muster a battalion or two to send to poland... sad really... were dealing with people who break treaties, claim they helped us, when in reality they had one of largest ww2 force out of the entire war amd couldnt even sent 1k special forces even to poland much less an armored regiment or brigade .. that rly is quite something.. but of course they helped sooooo much... if only they sent as many tanks as polish lives died under uk command

Amd yes mainland uk couldve easily flew sorties over poland by flying over scandinavia or sent ships to baltic right after the invasion or landed their marines at westerplatte but they chose not to, thus breaking their defense treaty with poland which called for material support and troops sent to polish lands, not fighting on our behalf..

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Yes and certain colonies and especially domions could CHOOSE whether to go to war or not. There were 4 types of brit colonies imperial colonial dominion and i forget the 4th but smaller colonies and doninions chose whether to go.to war or not. Australia and india didnt have a choice for example.but all dominions did.

Regardless, none of these brit colonies or brit mainland sent any significant sized units to poland. And thats fact.

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Jesus doug...The brits were obliged to after signing a mutual defense treaty which they broke anyway by not delivering materiel hardware troops just as poland wouldve had to if uk were attacked.. even then they declared war days later while poland was attacked on all sides

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First off, more HP does not make a plane more maneuverable.... thrust to weight together does... wow dude atleast know what youre commenting on if ur gonna make such statements..

Please germans owned allied planes except p51. They even had jet powered me 262 in mass amounts while you were still.tinkering with the bogus meteor. Brit machines just like yesterdays triumph or todays land rover are garbage. They simply failed to master cylinder technology thats why land rovers still blow gaskets and crack cylinder head.

2nd, in what battle(s) exactly did british troops send atleast a battalion to within poland?? Hmm can you name just one or two? Because i can name plenty of times poles sent atleast a battalion to the brits. Seems you owe us, not we you.

S africa and a bunch of other african nations and singapore also declared war on the axis powers (ireland remained neutral). should we also be thanking singapore for savinf poland?

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@kaprys

Except the commies, who like the nazis killed to create a new man, a new society. They only went against the nazis bc hitler attacked them first. The term holocaust was used by karl marx in his writings well before historians attributed it to hitler.

Some allies... occupying and categorically cleansings millions of people, prolly half of whom were really innocent... while our other european 'allies', pussy french and the brits, never provided more than a few squad of airplanes and a 9 mln pound loan out of the 500 mil asked. I guess we should be grateful they hosted the government in exile??? Oh wait they didnt stay rent free. They just deposited gold bullion in british banks instead of pounds

Maybe poland shouldve sided with germany... hell wed be ruling europe like they are now despite losing the war and just recenrly renuinifying

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@Dougpol1

Hahhaha declatong war??? Anyone can declare war, its what happens that counts

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Yes, but not by the brits against the Nazis on Poland's turf... The Brits simply did not engage Nazis in Polish territory- save for a few minor dogfights in which the spitfires performance was inferior to the Messerschmitts and Junkers (which today makes beautiful watches).


The US agreed to the same things that British establishment and military, Churchill aside, wanted with Yalta being a sort of blueprint.Don't forget that in England Stalin was viewed favorably and even referred to as 'Uncle Joe.'The Brits sold Poland out in the same way that the US did.Only person who wanted to reclaim Poland, due to the heroic effort of Poles defending London and participating in British campaigns in Africa and Italy, was Churchill. However, he was convinced that operation unthinkable would be just that - unthinkable and never leave the drawing board.



Hahaha facts? Here are the facts Doug - and a history book will collaborate... Perhaps you should pick one up so you can see how limited Britain's help to Poland actually was... In fact, more Polish lives were lost defending Britain and colonies than British lives defending Poland....

Barely. Their 'help' was minimal at best - British help made no meaningful impact and that's a fact. Poland and Britain's mutual defense treaty called for Britain to use all available forces if Poland were attacked, and vice versa. Britain clearly didn't do that. Not only did they declare way days after Poland's invasion, they sat on their hands during the entire occupation.The only time they helped, in a very limited way, was mostly through a few airdrops and dog fights during operation tempest when AK launched a country wide insurgency against the Nazis. In that operation, there were no British troops on the ground, no British tanks rolling through the countryside to provide armor support for infantry, etc. The airdrops were limited to dropping a few garbage stens, one of the worst guns in history, so the Poles could make better copies aka the blyskawica, and some food, medicine, etc. There was NO armor provided to Poland, nor were there any British troops serving on Polish lands to fight against the Nazis. Poles used mainly captures supplies, home made submachine guns, a few captured German tanks, and homemade armor plated GMC trucks to fight. There were no British Challengers or MK's or Spitfires that were being used en masse in Poland against the Nazis.

It can be argued that Poland actually helped Britain more than Britain helped Poland. Reasons why are as follows:
1) Polish airmen served in Britain's forces and protected London against Luftwaffe raids. The British did no such thing when stuka's were pounding Poland. Polish airmen defended London, British airmen did not defend Warsaw or any other PL cities.

2) Polish infantry helped UK in battles in Africa and especially in Italy - British soldiers never took part in any skirmishes with the AK against the Nazis nor were there any British troops or tanks that helped repel the Nazi invasion, cut supply lines, bomb transports moving from Germany to Poland, or engage Nazis on Polish turf as a whole.

3) Polish troops served in British units under Allied command - British troops did not serve on Polish soil under Allied or AK command.
4) Polish troops defended British interests in Africa and participated in the battle of Monte Cassino - British units did not participate in repelling the Nazi invasion or any other major battles on Polish turf. Their help was limited to a few squadrons dropping supplies in Warsaw - that's it.

5) Most importantly - there simply were no regiments or even battalions or any significant sized units that the British fielded in Poland whether it was army, navy, air force, etc. It was mostly limited to a few air force squadrons (the smallest unit, unless they're going by sections in which 2 sections is a squad) making drops...

To my understanding, Britain's losses in Poland were limited to 7 planes... that's it.... so yes, they did help by using their air force to make a few drops in Warsaw YEARS AFTER the Nazi invasion, thus breaking their mutual defense treaty with Poland.... And the airforce was limited to merely providing drops - not bombing targets, not strafing Nazi columns, not bombing airfields, etc.

Brits had one of the lowest casualty rates of ww2 with under 500k killed and around 500k wounded... compared to MILLIONS by other nations and the vast majority of these were fighting Nazis in France, Africa, and Italy - NOT POLAND


How is that not a lie? Again, Britain and Poland had a mutual defense treaty which Britain clearly broke as they declared war several days after PL was invaded and also did not provide any meaningful support despite the fact that the mutual defense treaty called for Britain and Poland to use all available means, Britain continued to do NOTHING in Poland until operation tempest in which their helped was limited to airdrops by a squad or two of planes....

While the notion that Britain left Poland to its fate can be debated, it is established fact that Britain broke their mutual defense treaty and did not provide assistance to Poland in any meaningful way. In fact, Poles helped Britain more militarily than Britain helped Poland as there were multiple battles in which Poles fought alongside Brits in Italy, London, Africa, etc. while there were NO British units fighting against the Nazis on Polish turf. The British never fielded more than a few squads of planes - there were no infantry regiments, no tank battalions, nothing like that was EVER sent to Poland by the Brits to help repel the Nazis - or even the Soviets later....

This is why Poles and the Polish military establishment believes that it is up to Poles and only Poles to defend our country - while NATO is helpful, we cannot entirely trust is due to the betrayal Poland faced in WW2 when the western powers allowed the Nazis to gobble up country after country and did NOTHING after Poland was invaded - no bombing of Berlin as retaliation, no marines landing on the Baltic shores, no 100's of Spitfires shooting down stukas, NOTHING... Yet we're suppose to be thankful for a few drops of arguably the worst submachine gun in history???? YEARS AFTER Poland was invaded and Britain broke its mutual defense treaty???

You should be the one thanking us for spilling our blood in the skies over London, at montecassino, and in north Africa fighting alongside Brits against the Nazis. Polish troops fought side by side with the Brits against the Nazis - the Brits however NEVER fought side by side with the Poles against the Nazis on Polish turf... Poland helped Britain more than Britain helped Poland that's for sure. British legacy with their supposed help is a few airdrops - yeah thanks a lot. We on the other hand defended your capital. Where were the Brits on the other hand when Warsaw was invaded?

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They helped... but barely...

You can never control territory with air power alone. You need artillery, tanks, and boots on the ground. It helps if theres constant air strikes if the opposing force doesnt have any airpower or aa guns. That wasnt the case with nazi occupied poland tbough. Most of the drops air strikes and dog fights in which uk helped pl were during operation tempest. Nonetheless, they were largely ineffective and insufficient to turn the tide or even lift the seige and reestablish supply lines to ak. Britain basically sat around and waited till hitler captured half a dozen countries and attacked british positions before they did anything. They tried to appease hitler early on even when he captured czechoslovakia and aside from a declaration of war when poland was invaded there was no meaningful contribution till operation tempest and even then it was limited. Hitler even kicked them out of france and they had to commandeer fishing ships to make it across the channel. Britains priorities were more aimed at defending the island and establishing footholds in africa and france - not helping poland.

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Churchill was one of the few in the uk that really wanted to help poland, much more so than us, france, etc. Nonetheless most of the help was some airlifts esp to besieged positions esp like the ak during warsaw uprising. It was too little too late tho. He wanted to invade poland and kick the ussr back even but he was often stymied by parliament and military figures who felt that defending uk and kicking back the nazis from framce was a more immediate concern. Its understandable in a way in war its everyone for themselves. But that doesnt mean were somehow beholden to uks 'help' and breaking a defense treaty with assistance limited to supply drops and not troops and tanks on the ground

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The brits declared war on Poland as SOON as Hitler attacked. Under their treaty - they should've been flying planes, dropping off paratroopers, making logistical networks, delivering anti tank weapons, and a military loan - which the UK REJECTED. They broke their mutual defense treaty as they did NOTHING even though there was plenty to be done as the only country they'd have to avoid would be Germany as France, Sweden, Norway, etc. were neutral and they could've flown over the Baltic into Poland.

Very common in modern military history. Airlifts, flying bombers and fighters over Baltic in an arc to avoid Germany and enter Poland from the Baltic, paratroopers, special opps, secret shipments of weapons and money. You can even dump tanks out of a transport plane. It is very easy for a state actor to enter a warzone and drop off a bunch of advisors, money, and guns (especially anti-tank which would've greatly helped slow the blitzkrieg), sending weapons to a 'neutral' country with a bribe for the final destitation to be Poland, etc. But no, they did none of that. They give a 9 mil lb loan out of the nearly 500 they requested - and it wasn't a grant or free money, it was a military loan.

What they did do is give a couple stens - not millions to supply the AK but rather a few examples which they were to reverse engineer as it is a very simple weapon and mass produce it in a machine shop.

They clearly violated their treaty of using available means of defending Poland as the mutual defense treaty states. On the other hand, Poland DID hold up its bargain - it gave Britain soldiers, pilots, and even the government relocated to help assist the Brits in their campaign against the Nazis which largely involved defending UK, some campaigns in Italy, some in North Africa, etc. The Brits NEVER helped us en masse within Polish borders to help us repel the Nazis - that's a fact.


3 lies in a row - you win a prize!

dw.com/en/germany-terrorism-prosecution-cases-soar-report/a-41065442
A nearly four-fold increase in terrorism-related cases is stretching the manpower of federal prosecutors. So far this year nearly 900 terrorism cases have been opened.

HAHHAHAH GERMANY HAS NO TERRORISM PROBLEMS?! That's the joke of the day rofl. The 2016 Würzburg train attack never happened, 2016 Ansbach bombing never happened, 1000 women groped in Cologne never happened, 2016 Berlin attack never happened and also no one drove a truck into a Christmas market.

Politically stable only in the sense that AfD is taking more and more seats from the lefties and cuckservatives. Merkel can't even form a coalition and 50% of Germans want her out. There's rows upon rows upon rows of tents in the middle of the towns with garbage everywhere because these slobs can't even be bothered to put the trash in a bin. That's politically stable?

Riiiiiight because all those thousand women raped in 2015/2016 on NYE and even on 2017 albeit to a smaller amount were all a figment of the imagination. The stabbings of people buying liquor during Ramadan also never occurred. The various van, truck, ak-47 assaults, explosions, etc. never occurred. All the migrants playing tarragush at the public pools surrounding girls and groping them never happen (despite all the video evidence). The constant fights, beatings, stabbings, muggings, by migrants especially to subway travellers never occurs. That's socially stable and safe, especially for women?

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Romans put the spear into Jesus' side and nails into Jesus' hands - the spear was the final blow. The high priests of the Temple and their congregation were the ones who brought the charges against Jesus and the crowd chose to release Barabbas over Jesus - at least according to the historical record of the Bible which may or may not be totally historically accurate.


I wouldn't say that we're similar, but I have no problems with Lyzko. In fact, I like that guy because he's one of the few more objective people and is willing to listen to two sides of a story and admit when he's wrong or misspoke. That's a rare thing on PF.

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Didnt churchill say the secret to long life is to drink smoke and never exercise?

The allies were all about appeasing hitlers thirst for territory. It wasnt till a 3rd invasion by hitler that they actually declared war and it wouldnt be till hitler attacked france that england actually fought against the nazis, thus breaking their mutual defense treaty with poland to help immediately with military force. Not only did britain not do that in sep 1939, they wouldnt even loan poland money to buy more hardware. Hitler wanted the sudetenland and the allies gave it to him. Then when he took over all of czechoslovakia they did nothing. Same when hitler annexed Austria albeit he was welcome although that was certainly one of maby violations of the treaty of Versailles that hitler broke again and again amd again with the allies just watching. Even after rapid territorial expansion they sat on their hands just as they did when hitler invaded poland. The brits never helped poland in any meaningful way. Id argue the poles helped the brits more than the brits helped the poles. Reason why is because poles defended british soil and participated in the air campaigns. Britain didnt have its soldiers, pilots, marines etc on polish land fighting against the nazis. They helped france and belgium and were on the ground there fighting against hitlers forces, but not in poland.

Besides its history we can talk about wouldve shouldve couldve but facts are facts. Germany was defeated yet ended up becoming thr most powerful country atleast economically and probably politically in the eu anyway. Now their political and social stability is under grave threat due to terrorism and the migrant crisis

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Yes thats the theological teaching in the bible amongst a few writings based on events in the roman empire

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Well technically romans killed jesus, after the high priests and local Jews and Romans wanted him dead. Jesus disturbed the businesses going on at the temple and also said he was the son of God so the high priests esp saw their authority and faith threatened. But as far as blood libel 99% of it is bs. There are sects and schools of judaism tho that get into some mysticism, occult kind of practices etc

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He doesnt hate christians... i understand what he means... i may talk shyt about jews and muzzies but that doesnt mean i hate all of them bc of their beliefs. There's good ams bad in every creed race religion. Witg jews its zionists with muzzies its radicals and a lot of migrants screwing up europe with christians its often hardcore evangelists radical millenial sects etc. The church certainly has its sins i.e. inquisition, some of tge stuff done during the crusades, sex abuse, selling indulgences, money laundering and white collar crimes etc. Do you have any idea of how many wealthy priests therr are in poland riding around in new luxury cars and taking off their robes on fri n sat to fraternize with women in their parisg? On the other hand we have rabbis that say very supremacist things and get caught up in organ trafficking dex abuse in yeshivas, banishing people over even using wifi in orthodox homes, etc and imams that preach suicide bombing is okay and to conquer Europe via mass migration, rape, forcing their creed upon others, violent behavior, support of terrorist and other radical groups, etc.

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Well honestly i can say that yes a good portion of poles are pretty hostile towards jews but the majoroty doesnt hate them. Wealthy zionists that meddle in politics finance media etc yea but not the average jew some jews even dislike Zionists like that too

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Why because they were neutral? I'm not as aware about the situation of the Swedes in WW2 as I am the Swiss. I don't see anything wrong with what they did. In fact, it was extremely wise to be the secret banker for both sides. Neutrality in conflict is written in the Swiss constitution - they'd have to change their constitution if they want to fight or ally with some power

I gtg im bout to be off work... nice chatting with you doug and everyone else... have a good weekend and be safe everyone

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and that too is in a way understandable... but come on its been over 60 years, billions upon billions of dollars, and an entire country stolen from the local inhabitants in a similar way US was stolen from natives - it's time to focus on the 70 million others who also perished in WW2. There's hardly any memoirs, media attention, reparations, etc going to those nations even though their victim counts were about as high (such as Poland or France) or even far higher (like Russia) than the amount of Jewish casualties


Of course the Nazis were defeated due to the Allies' combined effort. We're talking about Poland specifically though. Earlier you claimed 'we had pledged to defend Poland, and we so attempted to do' which is not true and also 'If we hadn't declared war, it might have been better' in which case that was England's obligation under the mutual defense treaty - which they broke anyway because they did not provide material support as the treaty stipulated


A drunken mind speaks a SOBER HEART... just because he was drunk when he wrote it doesn't make it less important... plenty of painters authors artists etc made their works when under the influence and are now priceless treasures

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Told ya. I have mad respect for Churchill. He wasn't scared to speak his mind. He was almost like an aristocratic British Donald Trump in a way. Poles view Churchill far more positively than Roosevelt. If there's one person that escapes the 'western betrayal' ideas that many Poles have it's definitely Churchill.

One of my favorite essays from his are Zionism versus Bolshevism. A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People in which he describes the various subversive ways in which Zionists/Jews have subverted the societies and governments in which they lived and offers further evidence of zydokomuna.


Understandably so - every nationality, race, religion, etc. has that. But then don't say that Poles (in general) have a loser mentality... If you told that to almost any Pole they'd be deeply offended, if you said that to a NOP guy or your local soccer club followers you'd probably get your teeth knocked out. Just be conscious of things like that. I know that you're not racist and you don't despise Polish people (can't say the same about some PF members though) but by saying generalizations like that you can upset Poles around you.

Which other group of people constantly bangs on and on and on about something that happened so long ago???? I'll give you a hint... it begins with a j and ends with an ew

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When did I slander Churchill? This is the second time today i'm calling you out on your poor reading comprehension. Or perhaps its just time for thicker glasses... I clearly said that unlike a bunch of the other allies leader, Churchill had balls and WANTED to take back Poland from the USSR in Operation Unthinkable. Due to all the suffering and deaths which already happened due to WW2 and certainly a lot more if Brits invaded, they decided against it.

Churchill was indeed a great leader. He's the one British WW2 figure that Poles respect for his views on helping Poland.


That's all the Brits did - think and talk.... not act.... So please don't say that the British helped Poland and we should be grateful for their assistance when the fact is they didn't provide any meaningful support. There were no British marines landing in Westerplatte, there were no challenger or MK tanks rolling through the Polish countryside, there were no Spitfires over Warsaw when it was bombed, etc. The most they did was give Poland a 9 mil pound LOAN - not even a grant - a military LOAN which was a miniscule fraction out of the nearly 500 mil pound loan the Poles requested to beef up their defenses.


We aided communists in the same way you're currently aiding PiS

Everyone is aware of your hatred of Polish people which came out in your last post. Quite a Freudian slip. Sorry, once you say that Poles have a loser mentality you can't go back on that... Your fellow Poles should be aware of the way you feel about them. I don't think the students you tutor would appreciate being told that their countrymen have a loser mentality and are a bunch of ingrates.

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Antisemitism is reportedly the highest in France and Greece out of the EU countries.

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300k-400k Brits (including all British colonies and territories, combatants and non) perished in WW2. They had one of the smallest body counts of all the major WW2 powers.


You claim to abhor xenophobia, racism, etc yet here you are making very racist statements against Polish people. Why are you in Poland if you claim that all we do is complain, are never grateful, are always bitter and have a loser mentality? You make a lot of complaints about Poland, Polish people, the government, ZUS, yet here you are - in Poland - with no plans to leave. Clearly we losers are doing something right if you're still here. Would you call your Polish neighbors losers? Are the Poles around you aware of your anti-Polish sentiments?

We have nothing to be grateful for from the Brits for their ww2 contribution. They didn't help Poles in any significant way in WW2. I can't think of any battles which were in Poland in which Poles and Brits fought together against the Nazis. The only times when Poles and Brits fought together against the Nazis was to help Britain repel invasion and the Luftwaffe - so you should be the ones thankful and gracious for our contribution, not the other way around as Brits didn't contribute in any meaningful way in Polish territory. All they did was declare war against Hitler in September 1939. but they BROKE THEIR WORD - NAMELY THE MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY - and did not immediately rush in tanks, planes, and soldiers en masse to help the Poles repel the Nazis in their September campaign. If they did do that, even if they failed, then yes we would have much to be grateful for.

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How exactly? To my knowledge British soldiers never landed in Poland to help repel the Nazi or Soviet invasions, despite their mutual defense treaty - which Poland honored to Britain by providing pilots but Britain did not.


No they didn't. The Brits and French had a ton of catching up to do to the Nazis and even the British government of the time admitted this.

Polish historian Paweł Wieczorkiewicz wrote: "Polish leaders were not aware of the fact that England and France were not ready for war. They needed time to catch up with the Third Reich, and were determined to gain the time at any price". Publicist Stanisław Mackiewicz stated in the late 1940s: "To accept London's guarantees was one of the most tragic dates in the history of Poland. It was a mental aberration and madness"

The Brits APPEASED HITLER - they were flat out scared of him - that's why they gave him the Sudetenland thinking it would satisfy his cravings for territory.... but he took over ALL OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA and still they did nothing.... then Hitler attacked nothing and all they did was declare war... they talked the talk that they'd help Poland, and even signed the paperwork before the war pledging to help Poland will all it's might (which they clearly didn't in September 1939 after PL was invaded)... they didn't do anything until Hitler was basically right at their doorstep.