Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

Simple, because there are racists around who dislike foreigners and it's just how they are.

Life / Are there a lot of goths in Poland? [36]

Quite a lot, yes. You have to remember that younger Poles like to rebel against excessive conditioning and they have their own clubs and hangouts.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

This has all been done before to the death. 'New' cradle, not old cradle.

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

Nice expression but they will be vocal come election time. PiS will score well because of them.

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

When you know that hawkish bankers are ready to swoop, wouldn't you feel worried? When 3 countries are going under and a second crisis is always looming, is that trivial?

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

Because Tusk alluded to Greece but I'm just saying that the problem is even wider. It doesn't sore me, really. I just feel that Tusk was wide of the mark there.

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

So you think bankrupting the ECB through bailing out Greece, Portugal and Ireland is trivial?? Let's see how relaxed they are when their govt doesn't even get near to repaying the loans.

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

Have you talked to "most Greeks", pawian?

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

Did you? ;) ;) Anyway, you are a Tusk fan, pawian. Do you, like him, believe that Greece's problems are trivial? I wonder if Greeks would agree with him ;)

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

Aha, sorry. It's on Youtube in Polish and English language versions. Tusk is really taken to task.

News / Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government [191]

Old man? He's not that old, pawian. He certainly exposed Tusk's disingenuous reference to Greece's problems as "trivial". Ignorance is a failure in my mind.

Genealogy / Komorowski clan-name Korczak [16]

Delph, were you being ironic with the reference to sb's parents?

History / Poland history uprising rings? [7]

To the OP, I think Sokrates is right. Tributes come in different forms.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

It is probably worthwhile as it gives that bit more legitimacy when you can vote and take a stand on issues rather than passively observe. It makes sense if you feel you have meaningful ties as I do.

Delph, I don't think figures would be allowed to be distorted as it would a Brit on Brit crime then. People retain their ethnicity and that's how the police record their crime statistics. Nationality is quite a different kettle of fish.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

Pip, true. The dynamic is different and that's sth we learn in Modern Studies, a secondary school subject (high school).

Penn, exactly. There must be a meaningful connection which comes through immersion and attachment to cultural norms in the broadest form. I mingle very well with many Poles, joke around with them and have interesting discussions with them. I may even get full residence soon (my first school fecked that up by not telling me to register, sharks). However, all that doesn't change the fact that my roots lay elsewhere. Drop me back in Scotland and I will quickly change a few things. My wife says my accent and words used change a bit when there.

This is important as background but let's link it back into the topic. Penn, did you see that woman commenting in part 3/7 of the video I posted above? I accept multiculturalism as being a reality in GB but it doesn't change ultimate lineage and ethnicity. As pip rightly said, they should be differentiated. That kind of person cannot call the shots when her family has been given a chance to prosper. Fine, if a Pole refuses to integrate and speak English to the best of their ability then take that case on its merit without launching into a full-scale attack on immigrants. Intelligent people adapt and just get on with it like they know they have to.

Delph, I see what you are saying but just think about what you said for a moment. The great majority of people I know identify those by ethnicity through indirect reference to their business. You don't say 'I'm away off for a British tonight'. You say 'I'm off for an Indian tonight'. The owners are of Indian origin in the same way that Pakistanis own 'Paki shops' (no racism intended here as many Scots refer to them in that way, rather loosely I might add). Brits, through symbols, see them as different whilst being part of the national fabric. Turks with kebabs, Greeks with gyros and Italians with pizza/pasta etc.

When talking about Poles, one can mention the salad bowl theory,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_bowl_(cultural_idea)

They, like the Indians, Chinese and Pakistanis, have their own enclaves and you will know this from having lived in Aberdeen (think Sunnybank and Tillydrone/Sandilands).

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

I wouldn't say 'as British', delph. A Chinaman is from China, just like a black guy might have come from an African country. In one sense, they are as British but I do not see foreigners as being as British as my family, not a chance. If you follow that logic, an American-Pole is every bit as much a Pole as a Pole that is originally from Poland. Do you believe that to be the case?

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

DE, that's an insult, whether true or false, levelled against Poles and not an excuse to enter into a discourse on the Jews.

I-S, I'm not going to comment here on the Jews as it's not the point. The bottom line is that I see nobody here has any evidence regarding the thread so why keep it open?

News / Poland warns against deporting its workers: hypocrisy? [35]

You've hit the nail on the head, SeanBM :) We should realise the good that immigrants have done. They have avoided the pawning lifestyle of many a Brit (not that those Brits have much of a choice). The bankers will always avoid the limelight but recoup their unwarranted dividends in discreet ways.

News / Did George Soros want to destroy Poland with his economic shock therapy? [87]

Ability or know-how, delph? There is a difference. You can't expect those who lived under communism for 43 years to suddenly adapt to a whole new way of doing things. You should know that communism regiments practices, sowing the seeds deep into minds. It is not done by half measures. Even countries in the West who were more accustomed to free market practices had people guide them through the pitfalls and those who helped to maximise their performance. If the politicians don't create the conditions for people to flourish then they are always going to face an uphill battle.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

I-S, what doesn't he understand about Poles? If you can show what a Brit doesn't understand about Poles, maybe this will make understanding better!? It seems to many Brits that Poles just want to make money and sent it all home. That doesn't sit well with them whether it is their choice or not. What Polishness doesn't delph get?

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

Hehehe, I hope you are joking, I-S. I'm the one here who steers it back the most. Caps would have helped to reduce any anti-Polish sentiment. The sooner you realise that it isn't people being anti-Polish per se, but sheer numbers, then you will begin to see what the topic is about. If you can't then this thread is not for you.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

The thread is wandering again. Mods, I feel that if nobody is going to even post a video here to discuss but only to sling mud then what's the point in having the thread?

Here,
youtube.com/watch?v=oVP0RRvl2WE
part 1/7, The Poles are Coming. Some of the reasons why some Brits may be angry. 1.54 is one such example of idiocy and I don't know if it was staged. The golden thing to remember is that such Poles tend to be rather lacking whereas many super smart ones stay here in Poland.

The problem is always one of winners and losers. Local economies thrived due to immigrant labour but some residents became the victims of dumping trash and feeling like a foreigner in their own town. It's the same old story in the UK. Businesses profit and your average punter is left to fend for himself in a hard slog.

That's what they said ;) ;)

Anyway, I can tell PF members that there are quite a few videos online worth watching on this topic. I'd recommend an open mind. Poles tend to be very tidy IMHO. The rubbish gets put out to allocated areas so I refuse to believe that the tipping is mostly done by them. Yes, the beer-swilling bozos contribute a little but I'd hazard a guess that other groups are responsible for the majority of the dumping.

How could residents not be angry with that? I acknowledge my guest status here and do what I have to. It doesn't take much and good manners cost nothing.

youtube.com/watch?v=oVP0RRvl2WE
part 3 of 7. Interesting is at 5.29. This is how ridiculous it has become. This Indian woman, who clearly sees herself as a Brit now, is against immigration as she advocates putting a stop to it. Well, from having been a UK resident for 23 years myself, I know that they have naturalised themselves into Britain (though I still don't think they are fully British as they have India) but that process took time for her. Why deny others that which has been afforded to yourself? For me, that Indian woman is not every bit as British as my family is, for example, and would do well to realise that she has been allowed to hold down a good job partly through her own hard work, yes, but more from the fact that the rules let her stay at one time too. The answer was simple all along, immigration caps!

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

And vice-versa. Britain and Poland excel in that area. Time to leave the negativity for those with real stories and not those with agendas.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

It's not about racism, Robert

Po polsku / Polska jest dyktaturą? [129]

Ciekawy mamy tematy tutaj ;)

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

Is creeping into the UK? It has been that way for a while, delph. It's a vain attempt to get everyone up to a certain standard to make it easier on themselves. There is hypocrisy there as so many with degrees don't get a look-in anywhere.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

Superb answer from delph there. That is just the reality of the situation, Bzib.

Vincent, in many places in Scotland and in many videos online. Vince, my education is top 3% in Britain :) My life education much better :) :)

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

I knew you'd answer that way but what else could I have had in mind? Seriously!

Some do and some don't, Bzib. Well-educated Brits often have to go through it too and educated Poles are now experiencing the same.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

Isn't it clear, Bzib? Poles did the jobs that Brits were too proud to do. Some Brits should be grateful to even have a job at all considering how thick they are.

UK, Ireland / Is UK the new cradle of antipolonism? [161]

The Poles took many Brits out of their comfort zones but also used unfair agencies to get themselves ahead. Simply put, it's a mixed picture.