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@Casual Observer

Then they can fine us, which they threatened to do but are too weak and impotent to carry out. All bark no bite just like with the migrants, the logging, abortion, court reforms, etc etc.

Till then well keep doing what we want, keep getting billions in eu funds, tell the eu to shove it, while timmermans affirms poland faces no cuts to eu funds amd article 7 is doomed

Hhahahahahaha play with the big boys? You mean the lefty cucks who cant even control their own borders and let radicals set up shop, rape their women, bomb their buildings? Please lol eu is weaker than ever and the fact that poland amd v4 played it like a lil ***** proves that

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Yet i still have more rights and privileges by law and constitution, including voting, than any resident whos lived in pl for decades. Regardless of whether my home in pl is a primary residence or a vacation home or even if i never paid a groszy in tax or spoke a lick of polish, i am nometheless a citizen and yes such affairs are those of polish citizens, like myself, and the people we voted for.

Also therapy shrinks etc are for only weak minded people and cucks who think theyre one of 70 genders or have some newly discovered disorder.

@Casual Observer
Thats exactly how life and society are. Its dog eat dog no matter where you go. Only now the lefties in the eu are crying uncle because they have so many fires to put out they dont kmow where to begin. The liberals, po, and eus dominance is over. Now is the rights time.

Morawiecki never said szyszko was right or wrong. He said poland will continue to log and will respect the eus ruling only after all legal options have been exhausted, which they havent been amd eus now in retreat due to their own impotence and failure of far left agendas.

And like i saod numerous times, idc about logging or not really. Its the principle of sovereignty and resisting eus attempts to meddle in our affairs, the affairs of polish citizens and the government which we democratically elected based on certain campaign promises, whether its immigration, court reforms, abortion (which i am pro choice) and in this case logging. If eu promoted logging while polish government and the locals were against it id support that position. Eu needs to worry more on how to stop all the terrorism and rapes in their own countries, not what poles do in our own forests.

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Lol what are you talking about he said hell comply with the ruling after all legal avenues are exhausted, which they havent been and already eu is back pedalling on any potential fines or threats to eu funds. To my understanding based on numerous reports they were still logging in thr fall and have no plans to stop

reuters.com/article/us-eu-poland-bialowieza/poland-to-respect-eu-top-court-ruling-on-bialowieza-forest-logging-idUSKBN1E81W7

Ah nothing like antihahaha and hippy faces being broken and then thrown in jail by poles who reject meddling in our affairs
dw.com/en/polish-police-break-up-protest-against-bialowieza-forest-logging/a-41322966

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Great hows it feel to have wasted your time looking that up just because some rando from the web aggravated you to the point where you just had to respond? You know im obviously not going to look those up nor do i care. Besides, eu isnt doing **** to poland. Our country our rules.

You need to learn that the eu is impotent just like you and all the commie soy boys and co. Everyday poland is beating the eu and this is a prime example. Even on the ground onr santa and even the government are catching antihahahah and breaking their faces. Give up man flip right wing.

Wheres the 100k a day fine? Well where is it? Pathetic losers gave up. Just as they gave up forcing poland to take migrants, just as they gave up holding funds over court changes, and just as their artivle 7 is doomed and they know it. They should focus more on the islamic invasion and the rape of their women and not what trees poles want to cut down in their own country.

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Ur problem not mine. And no i just like aggravating you i really dont care

But ill be happy to send you photos of some trees ill cut down = )

Saw baby saw

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None of those cite 10 fungi existing in b forest

Perhaps you can provide a photo from ur supposed referenxe manaul?

I can go to kiev too and buy a forestry or biology phd for about 10k = )

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Chirp chirp

Still nothing about fungi in bialowieza

But i do hear the beautiful sounds of saws felling trees and hippies and eu crying = )

Post pics now then of ur so called library and reference books ***** prove ur a scientist punk. Come om were waiting you dont kmow **** about fungi dont know **** about kingdoms and you talk like our resident trol. No one believes you

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Except bacteria and fungi are two.seperate kingdoms, and any person who took biology 101 would know that. I never askef about bacteria, i specifically said fungi

The very fact youre grouping bacteria and fungi in the same category alone proves youre not only no phd, you appear not to even have taken basic biology..

No wonder poles are laughing at the 'experts' on bialowieza rofl. I said im not a scientist my bachelor and graduate studies were business, not science. But i do know atleast from basic electives fungi and bacteria are entirely two different kindgoms despite youre grouping of them as if they were interchangeable or similar

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Youre the expert you tell me 10 fungi in bialowieza, something a supposed top expert on b would know, but you dont because youre not an expert.

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Actually thats exactly what i sell, navigation technology, iot, your wife poon, etc. I put even put a gps module in that *****.

Still cant name just 10 fungi that exist in bialowieza = )

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@Ziemowit

Except if you read back to last past i didnt start with the insults, i rarely ever do but i will respond in kind.

@Casual Observer
I see you still cant name the scientific (latin) names of 10 commonly occuring fungi in b forest, because youre not a scientist. Fungi is a general kingdom of which mushrooms are a part of. Youd know that if you were a phd as i asked you to cite 10 examples from the b kingdom which youre unable to do and instead discuss lame treehugger political reasons against logging, not scientific reasons which a real scientist would be able to.

Meanwhile, poland is owning eu, no fines from eu for anything, and more beautiful wood products helping eastern polands economy

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Aww that's cute. Didn't know you had such strong feelings for a stranger over the web


Just as you, a proclaimed phd expert and one of the top 3 scientists on bialowieza, would know what the 10 most common fungi in bialowieza are, perhaps?

But you can't answer that question.... because you're not a phd, you're the 'taxpaying voter', the forum's 'master baiter'


WRONG - see that right there proves youre not a phd as there's plenty of material published on the hundreds/thousands of identified fungi in the amazon, in England and the northern isles, etc. But not on bialowieza - hence why you're unable to cite anything... despite the fact that a supposed expert of bialowieza would at least be able to cite SOME of the common fungi in the forest - which you've been umnable to do this entire time... pathetic

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You're wife's pu$$y - I already told you dumbass. Clean that thing off once in a while custies are complaining. Or get crafty and apply your forestry 'knowledge' - put some pine needles in that thing to freshen it up


So more UN-ORIGINAL information that proves you're not a phd as you are UNABLE TO COME UP WITH YOUR OWN? Nothing, absolutely nothing that you wrote is original scientific information.... you're not a phd... every reason you've given against logging is politically based, not based on the science of forestry which is NOT what an expert on forests, much less a supposed top scientist and researcher on bialowieza would use as the basis of his/herarguement

Again, list the 10 most common bacteria and fungi found in bialowieza forest - forestry phds, let alone a supposed top 3 in the world expert on bialowieza would know this..

dead ass topic....

horny cow more important than logging according to multiple main stream media outlets....

saw baby saw...

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You did not cite any ORIGINAL scientific evidence - ZERO - you commented on a source that I USED which explained what PERCENTAGE (a tiny one at that) of bialowierza is being logged - that has NOTHING to do with the complex science involved in forestry which you claim to be an expert on... and you're asking me if i'm the one who's high you ******* moron???

You are not a phd and till you either show your credentials or are able to cite original evidence based on biology, organic chemistry, etc. no one believes you. Go ahead list the 10 most common fungi and/or bacteria in bialowieza and explain how logging impacts each one - quick do it now so everyone can believe you're really a forestry PhD. Such information would be easily known by anyone who claims to have a graduate level degree in forestry let alone one of the top 3 world experts on this particular forest... rofl


Another reason why I know you're not a PhD as a person with such an education doesn't talk down to others in a way like that. But yes, I do have to have to make sure the bills are paid on the $1 mil home I'm typing this post from which unlike you're supposed PhD I can prove is mine = )

dead ass topic... media cares more about a horny cow than fining Poland for the crime of logging on their own land

in the mean time... you already know...

saw baby saw

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I did - go back a few pages and read.


The amount of tourists to Poland is going up year to year...

Again, no scientific claims, yet again, as to why logging is bad for bialowierza. you are unable to point out for example that logging would have a detrimental effects on specific strains of fungi, which then effects a specific animal native to bialowieza - which as a purported forestry phd or bialowieza expert would have no trouble citing reams of such scientific info

Saw baby saw
Done with this dead ass topic... appears media cares more about a horny cow in relation to bialowieza than some hippie tears over a sustainable activity conducted with the blessing of the PL government and the locals involved in the business

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Rofl media cares more now about a cow that ran away and joined some bison in bialowierza - that's how quickly the world moved on... no one cares about logging in bialowieza anymore... dead ass topic...

seriously google bialowieza and you have outlets from us to Europe to freaken japan talking about a runaway cow... nothing about logging rofl!!!

Top 5 articles on keyword 'bialowieza'
Rebellious Cow Finds Winter Home Among Polish Bison
NPR-Jan 25, 2018
The Bialowieza Forest, which spans 350,000 acres between Poland and Belarus, is home to a vulnerable population of about 600 bison. But this winter, the forest also became home to a reddish brown cow who decided to escape domestic life for some time in the wild. Poland's TVN24 news portal reports ...

Cow makes a bold bid for freedom - and joins a herd of wild bison
Mother Nature Network-Jan 27, 2018

Cow escapes farm to go and live with herd of bison
The Independent-Jan 25, 2018

Cow escapes farm to run free with wild bison in Poland
The Japan Times-Jan 25, 2018

Cow escapes pen to live wild with a herd of bison in Poland
Inhabitat-Jan 26, 2018

dead ass topic... no one cares... people are more apparently interested in a horny cow than the logging that's still going on..

Saw baby saw!!!!

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Then explain why despite dozens of posts you have NOT ONCE scientifically explained why logging is bad for bialowierza? and no, I don't take your 'word' for it because every single reason against logging is political - NOT SCIENTIFIC LIKE A FORESTRY PHD'S REASONS WOULD BE. You're a fraud, a faker, and a troll... not a PhD bro

and even if you were, we don't really care... if Polish people want to cut down 1% of the forest, or even 10% - that's up to us as it is on Polish land. I wouldn't like it if my neighbor cut his trees down for the beauty, but that's his right to do so on his property.


You mean the Polish government gave a quasi militia over 25 grand to patrol the forest and beat up hippies so they don't mess with the logging machinery? Saweeet!!!! The one thing we definitely need more of in Poland is right wing groups, militias, home defense organizations, nationalist groups, and especially more PiS voters. The fact that the government is giving SANTA money (which I wasn't aware of before this) really put a smile on my face just now = )

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I'm not the only one - there's numerous Germans in the EU who keep calling for Poland to take in migrants - that's clearly, in their opinion, the biggest affront to the EU - not bialowierza

Besides, then let the EU bring the $100k a day fine already instead of talking about it on and off for over a year with ZERO action, ZERO fines, ZERO reductions to Poland's EU funds.


Unemployed hippies and tree huggers along with foreign organizations with a specific political agenda like Greepeace who PAY activists (It's $400 a week in the US, not sure how many zloty's they pay for people to protest Bialowierza logging). The funny thing is that the majority of the locals seem to have NO problem with the logging as evidenced by numerous town hall gatherings in these areas. The citizens and government have decided, EU has failed to act and issue a fine. That's the situation...


The opposite has just recently happened. Timmermans and the frenchies recently affirmed there is no threat to Poland receiving EU funds regardless of bialowierza, the court changes, refusal to take in migrants, etc etc etc

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Then tell the lefties to stop constantly bending or adapting the rules to suit their political needs...

Let the EU bring it - they've made all these threats - where's the 100k a day fine? Where's the 2 bil fine for not taking in migrants? Yet its been years and NO fine plus their article 7 vote is doomed.

There were no major issues between EU and PL or any of the other country's also rebelling till the EU started pushing all these far left diktates and doing everything to take away independent nation state's sovereignty away and that's clear as day. EU and their embrace of this far left push, allowing millions of migrants onto European soil who are ruining the society and interference in local political affairs is the reason why the far right has spread all over Europe. Average Europeans are sick of it - especially in the Eastern parts as they haven't been brainwashed like in France, Germany, etc. and even then Le Pen came close to beating Macron. France is doomed anyway though - nonstop state of emergency alone proves that. If the future of the EU is to be like Germany or France I truly do believe my people, the Poles who are majority conservative and experts at navigating both good and bad economic times, will reject the EU eventually if they do not stop pushing a specific far left agenda and interfering in certain sovereign affairs. Perhaps the forest, as a nature site, is one of those - that's up to them to work out and the citizens. If someone wants to log a few trees and has approval by that country's government that's up to them and the agencies overseeing it. Clearly this isn't a priority as it's only brought up on the side and it's been quite a while since they threatened any fines. Seems like putting migrants we don't wnt in our country is more important than the perceived destruction of a protected site.

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I dont think youre a phd let alone in this topic The reason why is you constantly decribe reasons why pis shouldnt actively manage forests EXCEPT for actual organic biology, zoology, botany, forestry, etc. If you are a phd, exactly what thesis did you write and at which institution did you have to defend your thesis? Were you published or not? A lot of phds need to also write for journals schools etc and be peer reviewed just to hold onto their phd. You would have a wealth of knowledge on the science behind being against active management which you would cite, and not economic reasons by a left leaning site or basic forestry that can be easily found with a good search.

You talk about szyszko, pis, politics, cash, how its a nature preserve, eu treaty, etc. You never give detailed reasons based on science from professional peer reviewed journals or atleast cite the forestry science which you supposedly lesrned over a decade. You care more about political bs and your dislike of pis policy and you use that as the basis of your arguement, not science which is what a forestry phd or even master do.

Also, any self respecting phd would not bring up another persons job in a debate. This makes me believe you are simply one of the trolls with numerous accounts

And its up to eu to decide to fine poland 100k a day. So far they have not amd quite a bit of time has passed since they were pressing this issue. Szyszko is now gone but logging in the form of clearing and forest management will continue.

Perhaps theyll clamp dowm on over logging but itll likelt contimue as long as pis is im charge or the eu actually enforces all the threats sanctions fines theyve threaten poland with for years and none have happened not the one for migrants, not this forest one, and their article 7 is doomed. Plus there appears to be little threat to eu funds which really are a small fraction of polands nomimal gdp anyway. To me its not even about the forest but as a hiker and person who spends a lot of time in nature i obviously dont want such a beautiful foresy to disappear or be drastically reduced to like a fraction of its size. That clearly won't happen at this rate. Plus its a good economic boost for the people in the east.

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It hasnt but pis and conservatives are not worried anyway. Eu lost this war before it even started. As long as pis obran etc remains as popular as it is for the foreseeable future eu can stuff it. And yes obran has said numerous times publicly he would not vote to sanction poland... you easily google or youtube these statements

Forget it well block it all
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-22/hungary-on-eu-s-polish-sanctions-forget-it-we-ll-block-it-all

Besides a vote may never even happen. Timmermans said pl would.keep receiving eu funds after a recent state dinner and later reshuffle and hes eus big man on campus. No conditions no fines no other bs from timmermans only that ultra creepy german dude who insits poland take refugees (forget saving bialowieza putting people in our country is more important)

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Then it wouldn't tell us who to take into our country (namely muslims and Africans as they decided 1mln ukranians don't count as migrants/refugees even though they too are fleeing a poor country at war)... or else...

They would also allow the democratically elected party to fulfill its campaign promises and not get involved in how we run colleges, media, banks, etc. located within our country. The EU just doesn't like the fact that the NGOs, western media, and other organizations which they previously used to manipulate politics in Hungary, Poland, etc. are becoming monitored for subversive activities and raided.


Times have changed. While Poland has always been more focused towards the west, it is clearly rejecting the far left EU dictates that aim to transform Poland into another mindless multicultural consumerist landmass ran by liberals and western corps seeking to slowly do away with every European country's independence and sovereignty. We will not allow Poland to become a country like France or Germany or Sweden where thousands of women are sexully assaulted, where terror attacks happen all the time, and where states of emergency have been going on for years due to all the violence caused by migrants. While Russia is a military threat, the EU has become a political enemy, or at least a thorn in Poland's side, as it seeks to undermine Polish sovereignty via propaganda, subversion, NGOs, far left dictates, etc and not tanks, spies, etc. like Russia. If unelected eurocrats like Guy vansform or whatever that disgusting looking trolls name and all the others weren't telling Poland who to take into their sovereign borders and telling us how to run our court systems or what campaign promises a winning party can or can't enact then there wouldn't be the issues. The problem is that certain elements of the EU HATE the idea of sovereign nations plotting their own courses - especially if it doesn't align with the far left liberal ideology of the German dominated EU.

And no, voting to cancel your own countries' voting right at an institution like the UN, NATO, or in this case EU - you are a traitor to your country and every single constituent and business which would be negatively impacted by such a decision. Just because people don't agree with Trump or Putin or Xi or Macron they wouldn't vote to suspend US, Russian or Chinese or Macron voting rights at say the Security Council or even France's vote at the EU that is purposely and knowingly affecting your country negatively. I can only hope that the Polish voters remember this incident and do not reelect these individuals and continue to resist EU's leftist dictates and total disrespect and disregard for nations' independence and sovereignty.

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like I said, opposition is one thing - voting to suspend your whole country's right to vote in the eu to which it is allied economically and militarily via NATO (and unfortunately increasingly politically) is another. It harms every constituent of the MEP. Well, all I can hope is they won't win in the next election cycles.

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Well he was no henry 8th but thats okay...

Atleast we dont have guillotines in our squares. Actually pis is playing it pretty fair for the most part. With the support they have locally they could easily ratchet up purging the eurocrats and traitors. They gotta get away from eu more and focus more on v4 first though. And yes voting to take away pls right to vote at eu when ur a representative and citizen of the country is inexcusable treason. Theres opposition, then theres treason. This harms all of poland every single pole

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Well if ur a citizen you can vote simple as that. Sorry to hear u cant vote in uk, that's no reason to.not want polish citizens to exercise their democratic and constitutional right. Saying you wish to take away peoples voting rights.... how commie of you.. if you dont like poland and its laws you van always move back to uk.

And no your bitterness at polisb people exercising their enshrined right to vote regardless where they are polams polish ukranians polish indians as long as theyre polish citizens has nothing to do with the lack of help for poland in ww2.

OUR AFFAIRS? YOURE NOT A POLISH CITIZEN

Till you are, you by the law and constitution dont have the same rights amd priviledges such as voting. If you dont like pis get your citizenship and vote for po...

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Well it isnt scrapped so too bad and as long as the constitution or more specifically that section of it is changed, which is highly unlikely, i along with tens of millions of others have the priveledge of exercising out constitutional right to vote as citizens. Amd besides i have a home in poland, pay corporate and real estate taxes to the pl government just as you do, and am a citizen which allows me to vote for pis in the next election.

Besides thats not the topic of this thread. Were discussing how britain broke their mutual defense treaty amd didnt provide poland with any meaningful help, refused the military loan poland asked for, failed to send a single battalion.. guess usa and britain have that in common. Fortunately trump is a hawk and isnt scared to send anti tank weapons, armor, money, etc to ukraine to fight russia which is far more than the brits did for poland im ww2.

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@Dougpol1

Britain isnt going to defend poland just as they didnt it in ww2. When youre burned you blow on cold. If britain couldnt honor a mutual defense treaty in ww2 what makes you think they'll abide by nato rules? They affectionately called stalin uncle joe. Maybe now theyll refer to putin as uncle vlad. Theres certainly precedence of breaking treaties and buddying up to the russians. Unless of course the powerful zionists in uk convince british leaders to enter the war deslite the peoples objections just as rothschild did in ww1.

I see a lot of american hardware in poland, but not british. Whens the last time a polish president or high ranking politician thanked britain for sending tanks to poland? America on the hand is given such gratitude. And even more american units will arrive in poland. Well take our chance with trump and the us. Russias military is far more powerful than uks anyway.

As far as 'residing' in poland i know its a difficult concept for you to grasp but an individual can have more than one citizenship, more than one home, and pay taxes to more than one country. You can on and ok about the 2 decades youve been in poland. Yet it matters little as legally according to polish constitution i along with the 38 million other poles in poland as well as the millions of polish citizens who work or live abroad still have more say in polish matters and are able to vote in all polish elections, not just local ones.

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@Crnogorac3

Yup. Thats why its up to poles to protect poland. We cant afford another betrayal. The country most likely to attack poland would be russia if it came down to it. Its unfortunate as slavs shouldn't fight slavs. But you cam bet once again the brits wouldnt do anything. At best theyd declare war as nato stipulates but theyd sit on their hands in fear and send zero units just like in ww2. Maybe this time theyll fawn over uncle vlad? In any case, trump would likely be the only one to come to polands aid. Uk and france are simply too weak, indecisive, and theyve already been invaded anyway in their own lands without even putting up a fight. How can you defend another countrys borders if you cant even protect your own?

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@Ktos

Exactly. But well always have brits claiming they helped poland even though they didnt send a single battalion or larger to poland, refused a military loan to poland, and simply did not honor their mutual defense treaty. Even worse they were fawning over uncle joe and simply didnt want to get involved when ussr, part of the allied powers, invaded amd occupied poland killing scores of poles esp ak members along the way amd later driving people like my own family to siberia smolensk etc.

We Poles however did fight on british soil to help save britain. Too bad the brits cant claim the same amd say they honored their mutual defense treaty

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@Dougpol1

Doesnt make you an expert on ww2 history, neither.can you show exactly how brits helped poland as their mutual defense treaty stipulated. Fact is british did not honor their mutual defense treaty and never sent any significant sized units to poland whether it was in the days and weeks after invasion or the years after even though the document called for brits to defend poland in every way possible. They were too far up 'uncle joes' ass as he was affectionately referred to in england to aid poland when poland was attacked on two fronts. Also, youre not a citizen so regardless of how many years youve been in pl, by law the local schitzo drunkard screaming in the street amd tellin people to repent has more legal rights enshrined by our constitution than you.

Poland did ask uk for help specifically a military loan so they could buy hardware which britain refused to give them. So no poland did ask for help but brits didnt homor their mutual defense treaty and they were more scared of uncle joe than hitler and chose to befriend him, a guy who made a secret pact with hitler to divide poland... thats what history shows.

If you have any documents or sources proving that brits send atleast 1 battalion to polish grounds, were all ears. However that did not happen. What did happen is more poles died trying to save britain specifically london and colonies than brits died on polish turf.

Polands uprising lasted longer than all of france despite having roughly the same force as the nazis. Quite pathetic. Plus unlike poland, france wasnt attacked on another front by a so called ally.