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pawian   
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]

of course some Poles are anti-semites (some of every nation are utter morons); however, most Poles frankly couldn't give a toss whether somebody is Jewish or not.

Yes, and I write from the perspective of your second and the third group.

, whereas they're depending on the Polonia newspapers that are usually written from a quite hard right wing perspective.

Ok, I delayed it for a while but it is time now to forget silly wooden dolls on folklore souvenir stalls and get really serious.

Shortly speaking, ultra nationalist parties in Poland which openly declare their antiJewish animosity get less than 1% votes in various elections.

e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_National_Party

The leader of the party during the 1990s was Boleslaw Tejkowski.[1] Both the party and Tejkowski were notorious for their virulent nationalist and antisemitic propaganda.[1] The party was registered on March 22, 2004. In 2004 the party participated in the European Parliament elections and took the last 21st place with 0.04% votes. In the 2005 elections for the Polish Senate and Sejm, the party received 34,127 votes or 0.29% of the total.[2][3] In Presidential elections of the same year, Leszek Bubel received 18,828 votes, or 0.13%[4] The party did not compete in the 2007 Parliamentary elections nor in the 2009 European Parliament elections.

Agenda
Opposition to the return or compensation for private property seized from Jews after World War II by Poland.
Opposition to use of Roman Catholic Church to judaize Roman Catholicism.
Opposition to habitual humiliation of the Polish minority by Jews.
Opposition to Zionism, Communism, Antypolonizm and Globalization.
Opposition to emigrants and new cultures in Poland.
Opposition to non-Polish Mass Media in Poland (so-called Polish - lingual newspapers and TV stations)

pawian   
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]

Puzzler,

No, Puzzler used to be much more aggressive and abusive.

whereas they're depending on the Polonia newspapers that are usually written from a quite hard right wing perspective.

That is why Am Poles love voting right wingers in Poland? :):)

On the side note, do people still buy and read newspapers? :):)
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
Travel / Traveling around Poland - our photo stories with very personal commentary [225]

Of course not. :):) I always ask photographed people if I can use their images, most agree. The problem is that it isn`t written , only spoken, as I don`t have time to deal with paper work. So it may happen one day that somebody will withdraw the agreement.
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
Life / Polish vs British vs American - Clash of cultures [390]

As a child, I read a book Małżeństwo Niedoskonałe about a poor family in pre-war times who, when short of cash, picked coins from energy ring in their house. Sad story with a lot of funny moments. I recommend it.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C5%82%C5%BCe%C5%84stwo_niedoskona%C5%82e

Fermented milk products are very popular here: sour milk, buttermilk, kefir. I try to drink 1 litre of butter milk every day (I have just had it). Milk as such is bad for adults and it should be drunk fermented.
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]

Often when the question comes up of whether Poles are anti-semitic, individual Poles like Bieganski start getting all excited and show resentment to Jews, as if the best defense against being accused of anti-semitism is to act anti-semitic. That gives the impression to some people that maybe there is substance to that accusation.

After reading excited anti- Jewish comments by ONE poster, some people you mention might get an impression that his views are common in Poland?

Do you think they are imbeciles??? :):):):)

I don't comment on whether Poles hate Jews, because as i said, it doesn't matter to me. But I do comment when I see obnoxious posts or false statements about Jews or Israelis.

I see. That`s good because it is going to add spice to our discussion. :):):):)
But....
Can I quote your own words???? :):)

I think your defensiveness [..] is exaggerated.

:):):)

Remember what you said and stay calm. :):):)

But I can express my opinion, just like you can.

So, your opinion is that I shouldn`t have started this thread because it has attracted anti Jewish remarks.

He's not Polish, he's from North America. He's posted on here under many different names, too, and has a long history of ranting about Jews and alleged "Polonophobia".

Do you mean your old friend with whom you loved discussing things and used to be suspended from time to time?? :):):)

But yes, it is interesting that Polish PF members who live in Poland are much more relaxed about Jews than their Am/Brit counterparts.
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]

It was a Pole who wanted to provoke answers like yours.

Bollocks. I wouldn`t care if I was the only poster in this thread.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that all, or even most Poles hate Jews.

No, but the wording you used suggested it.

Are you saying that anti-Jewish hatred is not at all existing in Poland, even between the wars?

How many times will I have to explain what I am saying???? Can you go back to earlier posts, please?

I think your defensiveness against the charge of "anti-semitism" is exaggerated.

Who knows? :):) That`s why I started the thread...... :):)

All it does is bring out nasty comments from people like Bieganski, who seem to want to prove that Poland actually does dislike Jews.

Funny. Do you really mean that because of certain posters and their comments we shouldn`t commence discussions????

Even your wording "fanatic Jews" is offensive to me. What does that mean at all? A very Jewish Jew? You imply that the more Jewish a person is, the more anti-Polish he is.

The wording is a mental shortcut, indeed, and it means a Jewish person, fully aware and proud of his/her Jewishness, who remains aggressively anti-Polish.

There are Jews who are barely aware of their Jewishness that say nasty things about "polish antisemitism"

Really? How many of them do you know?????

there are orthodox Jews like me who don't think that Poland is more antisemitic than, say, France or Ireland

Then, the wording "fanatic Jew" isn`t about you. :):):)

Frankly the whole question of whether Poles today like or hate Jews is as important to me as whether Koreans like Italians.

If so, two questions:

1. Why participate here at all?
2. If the matter is important to me, may I present my fekking point of view and knowledge in the PF, if you allow, please???? Adding a few photos on the way????

And by the way, selling "Jewish" souvenirs indicates nothing but a desire to make some money from Jewish tourists.

Yes, there are millions of them, visiting Poland each year......buyint out all kinds of souvenirs with Jewish context :):):) The wooden doll industry has problems with meeting the demand........ :):):)

I find the little wooden Jew dolls creepy.

As are most wooden dolls chiseled according to that rustic woodworking style.

yehudi:All it does is bring out nasty comments from people like Bieganski, who seem to want to prove that Poland actually does dislike Jews.

Funny. Do you really mean that because of certain posters and their comments we shouldn`t commence discussions????

I forgot to say: again you are generalising in the same style which I didn`t like before. Why Poland??? I thought that poster Biegański has a nick which suggests a single person, not all Poland, and the views he is sharing with us are his private ones, not all Poles`.
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]

That's an private matter what parents want their children to learn about.

Yes.

PS. Actually, everything what I write about Jews in this thread and others is my private matter.

I think any school curriculum should cover a broad scope of history and historical figures.

Sorry, I was talking about talent, not curriculum.

It's natural to be attracted to the idealized notions of the past. But I don't think Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine would go along with another reunification with Poland just to recreate the Pale of Settlement.

I am not planning to incorporate old Polish lands into my country to recreate Poland from sea to sea. :):):) This thread is only about Poles and Jews. What the heck????

No. The Jews didn't vanish from the Holocaust although many died along with Poles and other victims.

I hope by many you mean almost the whole pre-war Jewish population of Poland, those 3.5 million people, of whom 10% survived.

By vanishing I was referring to other peoples who are known, or have been suggested, or were discovered to have had a presence in Poland's shifting borders over millennia but have long since disappeared. In my earlier example I cited Neanderthal man. I could have mentioned the Celts or Prussians as well.

What Prussian or Celtic influence do Poles remember and cherish today? Yes, there are a few Celtic stone circles in Poland.
Come on...... it is 21 century, Jews made 10% of Polish population only 70 years ago while Prussians left their trace in Polish history with a few dozen names of villages and towns in north-east Poland 700 years ago. Can we compare these two groups at all????
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
Life / Going to Poland in a hijab - Polish people and Islam [154]

Do you think people may have negative responses to me when im there?

Don`t worry, Poles won`t care about your head covering. I have taken a few photos of women wearing Muslim garb on streets of Polish cities.

Im a half Polish and half Arab girl, and also a Muslim, I've lived in poland until the age of ten with my family,

Those trolls are getting more and more intelligent. I account it for the beneficial influence of PF.
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]

People need to know about the past but equally important is to have figures and role models that most people living today can relate to.

Hmm, actually, Polish Jews can be role models too. E.g., I would like my kids to have such talent as Brzechwa or Tuwim had who wrote wonderful poems for children, once translated by one of PF members:

polishforums.com/free-translation-42/polish-poetry-translations-46697/

[i]Kitten
by Julian Tuwim

Looks the kitten, oh so sad.
"What, dear kitten, hurts so bad?"
Says the kitten: "bowl of milk.
Was all full, but now is dry,
Lack of milk sure makes me cry."

Sighs the kitten: "purr."
"What's the matter, kitten, sir?"
"I was dreaming of a river,
Riverrun with milk and cream,
Flowing all the way downstream."
...
paczemoj.blogspot.com/2010/09/kitten.html

The Slouch
by Jan Brzechwa

By the TV sits a slouch,
Spends his whole days on the couch.

"Oh, I certainly take exception!
What a dirty misconception!
For who sits by the television?
Who eats breakfast with precision?
Who today was getting going,
Ably watching grasses growing?
And who just now has spilt his tea-
"Oh! You see, you see!"

By the TV sits a slouch,
Spends his whole days on the couch.

"Excuse me, sir! But if you care,
Just this morning? Brushed my hair!
...
blogs.transparent.com/polish/len-by-jan-brzechwa

Poland should never forget its heritage but it shouldn't be hobbled by hyped-up nostalgia for a bygone era either.

Come on, let`s exploit this nostalgia till we can. I am pretty sure when I am gone from this world, all nostalgia will vanish with me. :):):)

The point is that it is wrong to focus just on one group from the past and say that is what we are all about today especially when that group has declined or vanished.

By vanished you mean Holocaust?
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]

pawian: Which one??

Kraków Zoo?

Hey, guys, are you good at biology?

What`s this?


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pawian   
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]

A lot of different groups have contributed to Polish culture over the centuries with the Jews just being one of many.

One of many but of outstanding importance. Just recall how many famous Polish writers and poets were assimilated Jews. I mentioned them in another thread. polishforums.com/history/poles-owe-jews-60402/

a few rotating exhibits about Jews from time to time.

Come on.......
pawian   
7 Aug 2013
Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]

At last! Point.

Yes, you should visit them one day, impressions are breathtaking.

But you`d better lose some weight before going because some gaps between rocky walls are really narrow and I had a problem sometimes.


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pawian   
6 Aug 2013
Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]

Riddles from this year`s mountain trip:
Which mountains are they?



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