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Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

you mean where??

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia#Demographics

Before the Second World War, Silesia was inhabited mostly by Germans and Poles, in addition to German and Polish Jews and Czechs. In 1905, a census showed that 75% of the population were Germans and 25% Poles.

Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

The territorial split on Silesia was supposed to be decided by poll, which Germans tried to manipulate by including people who no longer lived in Silesia.

Crap! Germans had nothing to fear from a poll....they were the far majority.

And who do you think supported and financed the so called polish uprisings in the coal rich mines? Who wanted them so badly? Warsaw!

The eventual split of the region mostly reflected actual ethnical split, IIRC Germany wound up with 79% of Upper Silesia.

It was not as easy as all towns were predominantly German, contrary to the surrounding farms, which were mostly polish.
There wasn't a clear border.

Wilno was Polish and deeply rooted in our culture, too. :( (I w Ostrej świecisz Bramie)
But what's gone is gone and we can't claim them to be Polish anymore.

Well...good for you!

You lost the war that you started. Deal with it.

We are not planning to reclaim anything either...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

what is that you don't understand here - there was some education in Polish before the Prussian conquest

Do you mean the austrian partition or what?

Germany would do a wise thing removing all traces of Prussian mindset from their traditions.

We wouldn't be Germany without them:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_virtues
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Oh come on dont be a bloody revisionist,

You know full well that I am a bloody revisionist Sok!

When I meet a nutter as Hubba I can't help myself...

Oh come on dont be a bloody revisionist, we both know Germany invaded the region and the so called "majority" were german settlers settling in homes from which you kicked out the locals ie Poles.

German settlers since 2000 years! :)

And the people fighting for Silesia to join Poland were *gasp* Silesians! Who are also Poles and after 123 years of german occupation were fighting to get back to Poland, sorry but you have no claim whatsoever when it comes to Poznań and Silesia, none.

75% Germans, only 25% Poles!

You invaded it for a century, got booted out and now you're talking like that century makes it german territory seriously BB your arrogance is f*cking epic.

Still you love me! :)

The rest is crap! Where you whine about one Lwow, you got many of great towns and villages from the Germans!
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Ditto! :)

But I trust german history teachings abit more if I'm honest. We had purged our history from nationalistic myth's for decades, excercising in self-flagellation and cruel honesty. Compared to polish teachings who even today call Silesia "recovered territories".
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

there were purely Polish Lutheran parishes around Wrocław that had been affected by the policy - the new pastors limited or excluded service or sermon in Polish after the Union

Can you show me the chapter about the Poles in the link you posted?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

who called it brutal

Poles?

it was however a consistent deliberate policy with a clear aim

Sure it was, pushing the official language of the country!

Show me the schools in Poland where people of non-polish heritage learn their languages only, and not polish.

PS: Germany even today tries to push german as official language in Germany...some minorities have more problems with that than others...they suffer later heavily for that.

seems like the Habsburgs didn't mind their subjects knew little or no German at that time)

?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

.....Ja? Also not really successfull, wasn't it? Also it wasn't about the Catholics at all...

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

In many parts of Lower Silesia the Polish were a majority rather than a minority before Frederic the Great.

Do you have any numbers?

Your explanation does not give any clue as to why germanization succeeded there, whereas it did not succed in Upper Silesia; the Polish-speaking area in Upper Silesia started even to expand westwards in the beginning of the 20th century to the great concern of the German authorities.

I can tell you the reason, the so called "germanization" by the mean Germans was neither as brutal as polish nationalists like to paint it.

Again, Prussia was an advanced state with many minorities. Under Prussia Poles grew from a mainly agrarian society to building up an urban middle class for the first time. They grew and prospered, not exactly a sign of brutal opression, isn't it.

Prussia invested heavily also in polish lands, build infrastructure, modernized, educated...name it.
But some Poles can't help themselves, for them Prussia had to be the demon.
For decades Poles immigrated into Prussia...millions wandered westwards, it can't have been that bad.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

the movie was played the anthem was sung, it was very, very nationalistic times, not only in Poland
if percentage of Poles was bigger how is this possible, that there were more Czechs or Lithuanians?btw in Wilno the city-percenatge of Lithuanians was 2 %

I can play the numbers game too...

In 1905, a census showed that 75% of the population were Germans and 25% Poles.

Didn't stop the Poles from "fighting for Silesias freedom" nor speaking of it as "recovered territories".

So now even as there were less Lithuanians or Ukrainians than Poles in th Lwow area please accept and support their fight for their freedom and independence, would you! What's good for the goose..

Poland was forced to agree with annexation of Zaolzie

Rofl...poor Poland...always the hapless victim....
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

in German - for all including Polish subjects -

Well...a state mostly has only one official language...that's the language of school, university, media, bureaucracy etc.
But what the Poles spoke at home was no concern of the prussian gov.

PS: Poland did the same as it tried to incorporate ukrainian-mostly territories. It's was every nation state does!

and what Prussian state actually did was imposing a new lutheran state-run church

No, it wasn't.
Prussia was one of the most advanced countries in Europe...freedom of religion and wide spread secularity was one factor.
Bismarck later tried with his "Kulturkampf" to take out the church of all important questions, making Prussia full secular.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

einer Schuss einer Russ, einer Stoss ein Franzos - quite apolitycal -

Well...yeah...war slogans. They didn't made the policy they were a tool.

so was Bismarck (and his remarks about Poles being wolves and that you don't befriend wolves just shoot them - well he was right to a certain extent)

And still the Poles flourished in Bismarckian Prussia...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Thank you Bratwurst Boy. I guess I'll have to brush up on my German to read that though! ;)

Oh yeah...I read a review about it and it's tough! ;)

sure you would like to believe in that :P

No, it's from that book...the army had no much time nor patience for all that nationalistic squabbling...you had to function as their soldier and that was all they cared about. They were apolitical.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

I am pretty sure these weren't made up of Poles - they were elite cavalry units - you wouldn't expect such units to be made up of some (despised and not trusted) minority of an empire

The prussian army was quite egalitarian. You were a good soldier or not and treated accordingly, your ethnicity didn't matter...Prussia had more minorities than just the Poles.

There exists a book about it:

Preußische Armee und polnische Minderheit. Royalistische Streitkräfte im Kontext der Nationalitätenfrage des 19. Jahrhunderts (1815-1914)

Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Brat, you are an unusual German, because most of your compatriots fear new members like hell. Why are you doing it? :):)

Family background...

The Germans with the most sympathy and interest for the "wild East" are often descendants of people who once lived there (not only Poland but also the Baltics etc). There are still ties, even if invisibly today.

Most other Germans care less or fear the costs only...they look only to the West. Eastern Germany is abit different in that regard I think...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

That is why Greece is a poor country with rich citizens as they use to say.

Help me out here Southern...is it really hereditary or is there really a will of the people to clean it up.
When I see greek people protesting what is their alternative to austerity. What are they protesting actually.
How do the Greek see themselves in 20 years?
Is there a mood to roll up the sleeves and to wish through the mess with a really big mop? Or will it
all stay the same as always..
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

Where'd you get that figure? and how'd they calculate it?

In Spiegel...

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/0,1518,760229,00.html

My translation:

"The size of the shadow economy in Greece amounts to an estimate from the EU and the OECD between 25 and 37 percent."

Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

You sure we will??

Well..just yesterday they wrote that the shadow economy in Greece approaches 37% of the whole economy. Meaning no-taxpaying black markets.

Greece is rotten to the core and it will take years to get it cleaned up...I wouldn't put Poland in the same basket!

In my opinion Poland experiences the growing pains of a real capitalist economy...not everything is rosy right now but they keep it straight and the outlook is good.

Especially as they try to avoid the pitfalls of others...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

Poland's strength was it's basic and high school level professional/technical education - now it is mostly gone

Has Poland taken part in PISA? What was the verdict?

You have officially wiped yourself off Milky's Christmas card list :)

Oh cume oooon....you know I love ya! *shuffles feet*
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

I would agree with the first point.

Irelands economy was build on a bubble...Polands economy is not. They will avoid Irelands, or the greek, failure for that alone.

The Euro isn't the deciding factor if an economy works or not, it's a tool, not more, not less.
It makes for a good scapegoat though when national governments want to avoid the hard look in the mirror.

For working economies the Euro is a plus as it makes the trading business so much easier..but for that you need to have business in the first place.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

The reason Poland is flourishing is because they are one of the few European countires smart enough not to join EU

Erm...

europa.eu/abc/european_countries/eu_members/poland/index_en.htm

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Why didnt Ukraine follow Poland and the rest of the ex-communist countries after the fall of the Iron Curtain‎?

Billions of EU funds and western investments?

Where would Poland be today without the EU....