History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


show me where his comment was communist? I actually predicted your reaction to it to be honest.


Show me where his perspective on what he was commenting had an air of left - winginess.


I don't see how your comment is relevant to the topic. Please explain. I think that he made some excellent points. If you want to choose heroes of Ukraine then how come you find Passent annoying? He pointed out that Poland feels as a representation of the Western values, therefore assumes an superior stand in relationship to Ukraine ( I am not making this up, I have read many posts like that on PF), while she has a long way to go in order to claim to be a bastion of the said values:)

I used his article because he seems to have a grasp of what is partially happening in this thread.


I have no idea how you came to such a conclusion. Staibnach is Stainbach and she is a revisionist. Some posters on this forum are revisionist when it comes to Ukraine because they want part of it back. I don't use that card but rather try to stick to the topic.

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mods altered the thread title and you should address them.

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and this is coming from you?

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what do you mean? Oh, property prices wise?

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wise choice:)


you seem to prove them right with producing posts like that.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

not addressed to me, but I will reply with quoting an article from Polityka ( a Polish weekly) written by Daniel Passent:
passent.blog.polityka.pl/?p=672

where he states that even though Poland feels like a representation of a Western civilization towards Eastern countries, she still has a long way to go in order to catch up implementing those values herself. The example given by the author is: Alicja Tysiac (just an eample among many others discussed in the article- who was shunned for her choice of abortion, is only one of the cases of the violation of human rights in Poland.

And further he states:
The border on Oder and Nysa used to be a country border. Now is it becoming a border of values systems, which gradually cross over into our country and is it hard to see in what way ( and why) that should be prevented.

[b][b]I think that the author has a good point when pointing that before one points fingers at anybody else, one needs to be an example of those Western values first.

s[/b][/b]so comments like:
But - in any case - Poles are trying to choose your heros. is a good illustration of what I was trying to convey in my reply.

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is that's why you so jumpy now?;)

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


that was my perception too.


true and most of UPA soldiers are dead anyways.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


agree, but it looks like both side have to deal with it in a different way. I wish I can turn the history but it is out of my hands and how the conflict will be resolved is up the to the present generation.

Maybe Yanukovich is doing the right thing by reversing the Hero status. It has upset a lot of people and he is being a wise politician.

Life / Proper dose of life in Poland... the harsh realities. [64]

Poland is not for everybody.

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


you got mine and you are trolling.

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


99.99% do. Occasionally we get a lunatic who does not.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


invader? You have a funny way of putting it. Wait until I invade Ireland;) with my EU passport:).


and should not be discounted in this discussion. However, your negative stand on immigration is not something which should not be taken into consideration as long as you show a prove that immigrants are indeed are problem in your country. A real problem in a sense that it actually brings the economy, social life down. Mind you one of the largest immigration groups is from Ireland.


I just checked the statistic on immigrants in Norway and it adds up to about less then 10% of the total populations, with the Polish immigration % being the highest.


So if Dariusz has a case, it is a very weak one indeed.

illegal immigrants should be deported, but Polish workers in Ireland are not immigrants per se.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]

who? me? YES. 100%

Life / You are Polish if... [433]

some people are blessed more then others;)

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


ah, no, add Irish and English as well, not to mention French;). Well, the governing system was, but the rest was the Native Nations invention.

Language / jak ulu? [9]

what did I say? LOL

Language / jak ulu? [9]


it is an expression and it means: the work is going as well as in a beehive- which means very busy.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


then there is nothing I can do about the way you feel. I have a different opinion. I don't mix with other races not because I have anything against them but because it usually boils down to having little in common with them.


they did in the past but this is NOT a topic of our discussion. I guess the reference to colonization rings the bell.


that is fine. I have a different opinion because I saw this approach work time and again.


you are wrong again. I live in the city with over 50% population being immigrants from all over the world:).


I a sure there are conflicts but I have never heard about this being a problem. I am sure there are gangs who fight each other but I think it is more based on the war for territory then because of ethnicity.


again, a patronizing stand on your part. White people /gangs fight each other too, as they did in the past. Just because there is a conflict, it does not mean that it is the end of the world.

To be honest, your posts are ridden with a dash of paranoia and fear. I cannot relate to it at all.
I like all ethnic groups/ I have never had a problem with them in the past. I am sure there are conflicts but often press blows things out of proportion.

Eg. when police in my country needs more funding, the press suddenly starts writing about the the ethnic crime and so on on order to get the support from the public. It is a form of manipulation I think, but the police ranks in my country decided to include the ethnic minorities for two reasons: one- political correctness and inclusion, another one: to find a way to understand a different ethnic culture and find a way to - well, lets say control them, or keep them in check. Immigrants are not gonna go away and those countries need to find more creative solutions to ease up the situation between the host country citizens and the immigrants. That is my take on it.


fair enough and I understand the frustration, however there will always be some tension between different cultures and the results will greatly be influenced how those tensions are handled. I know I am speaking in general terms but, I really don't know to what degree the problems of immigration effect your country. I need numbers.

I am more about finding a solution then being stuck in a problem fueled by fear.

Other races make you feel uncomfortable and I am not sure how you gonna handle it, but I sure would not want to be in your place to be honest.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


you sound a little patronizing to me, but considering your previous posts I am not surprised and I find your preaching tone quite annoying.
It is easier for Poles to integrate because of the many similarities in their won culture, but when you mention a skin colour, I just cringe because you are wrong. There are many people who integrate, but only if you give them space, forced integration never works well, which Europe is a good example in comparison to countries who have a different immigration politics: Canada/US/Australia, and even there, there are many problems. However, with time they can be overcome. It does not happen in one day.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

many people from this period will always have bad memories and the only way to cope is to keep them alive, however, it is not serving either side in my opinion.

Once Polish are out of Ukraine, these wounds have a chance to be healed.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]

interesting the so many Poles have immigrated to other countries yet they want to keep their own insular to immigration.

On the serious not the amount of bulling other nations on this thread leaves ONLY bad taste in my mouth.

The only positive thing for Poland I can see in managing immigration is that it can learn from other country;s mistakes in handling the mass immigration and I still think that it will never happen to such a degree because Poland has less to offer to those who are seeking new home.

I guess the EU passport seekers will always be there.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I don't know what is though in the West, nor in Ukraine. I just know (studied the history of Orthodox religion in Ukraine) that it is part of the Ukrainian identity and whoever is trying to change it will be perceived as enemy.

The Ukrainian church had played a significant role in sustaining Ukrainian identity over the centuries.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

agree. That is usually what Volyn threads are about on PF.

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you are EXCUSED!!!!!!!!;)

Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Szarlotka went on a dry spell from Guinness, he mumbled something about a bet and as a result he has low tolerance to alcohol and started posting in Russian.

He deserves a Noble Price in the Literary Excuse Category;)

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


he did not have to, he killed everybody on equal basis regardless of nationality.


It is your opinion and all I can say that it is not anybody's matter but the Ukrainians who believe in Bandera. He was a man of his times and if it was not him, another one would be chosen in his place. He merely reflected the sentiments amongst Ukrainians and it is one of the reason why many still think he is a hero. NKVD got rid of him, so he must have presented a great threat to USSR and it is not his nationalism, but his popularity. Stating that USSR has never been nationalistic does not change the fact that Soviet killed millions of people regardless of their nationality. Whoever was an enemy of the system - was to be rid of. Also, USSR would not thrive of nationalism since it would contradict the "ideology" of the many republics as one. Russification however was a form of nationalism.


nice try Sasha but I cannot see how that contributes to the discussion. All I can say that Ukrainians derive a lot of identity from Orthodox religion. What are you trying to say? Just say it.:)

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

It is an old and strong religion and should not be disregarded. Poles found out the hard way.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

you should have stated how you wanted my answer to look like- it is indeed a good way to have a healthy discussion.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


why? You have said it and I don't see a reason to repeat myself.


Sure. Orthodox faith is part of the Ukrainian make up and it has a long and strong tradition. I went back all the way to Kievan Rus because this is where that faith originated. Poles were too forceful with their Catholic Religion (just one of the reason for being disliked) on local Ukrainian population. One cannot force another religion. It always results in either covert or overt reaction. During the Lithuanian COmonwealth - the Lituanians let the Ukrainians to practice their won faith and often converted to Orthodox, which was very smart of them. Poles showed Catholic religion and eventually it ended up in the bloodshed.


I don't know. It takes time from what I understand.


UPA was good for Ukrainians and bad for Poles. There is nothing else to add in my opinion. We will always disagree on those matters.