News / National Foundation to boost Poland's international image [26]


Sounds like you have no idea what communism is, let alone you know very little in general. You should console yourself with a thought you're not alone in your ignorance.

Poland has a very clear choice here. Either succumb to call for a closure of Polish coal mining industry or not. If Poland would listen to all those special interest groups, ideological biased left ignoramus or foreign pressure groups the country will suffer in a result. There will be a very bad and undesirable, injurious even consequences for Poland's economy.

Poland's energy sector and generally all branches of the economy are dependent on a coal in 90%. Also coal ore deposits in Poland are sufficing to provide a supply of that mineral for another 100 years.

Coal mines provide so much needed workplaces and other perks for the economy. There is no chance in hell that Poland would be able to supplement coal for other so called "green" energy sources.

In fact closure of coal mines would be counterproductive as Poland would have to import coal from abroad for the foreseeable future. More of the unemployed people would be weighing and slowing down economy. Who would pay for changing from coal to "politically correct" energy sources? Any takers?

Even those who are all "green" and are in favor of such polices should understand that such a policy if enforced in a defiance of the realties on the ground could cause a major collapse of the Polish economy. It would cause a backfire for "green" policies and a big step backwoods fro their ideas.

I think it is much better for all involved to take a step back, look at the realties on the ground and proceeds forward with a sprinkle of a common sane on board.

UK, Ireland / Polish in Britain - will I get decked if I speak Polish to these people? [63]


Way before that, at least 80 to 70 years earlier quite a few Eastern European Jews made to London.

News / Observance of Warsaw Uprising [17]


Sure I'm. Those veterans are in their late 80' or 90', they might not even been aware what that dude is about to do. Nor what is it all about. I know he is not a veteran himself so should keep his gob tight shut.


Not necessarily and you know it.


No, exposing manipulators and liars.

News / Observance of Warsaw Uprising [17]

No, it was said by someone who is on board of the Veteran Association but is not a veteran himself and do not repentant a point of view of that organization. If you were a member of Society of Engineers and would have signed some petition stating that you are a member of that organization, it doesn't mean that your speak for this organization nor that they support the same cause you do.

News / Observance of Warsaw Uprising [17]


That is a bald faced lie by your favored progressive paper. That made up the story, made up that lie. They'll keep on it for weeks on end just to provide fools like you with have plenty of fuel for their irrational hate. As they say haters gonna hate - you are pathetic, sad people.


Look who is talking about respect? You disrespected all those people who died in that crash. You are a vile and disrespectful person and you should be ashamed of yourself.


He is not, you should have take good look at yourself if you are looking for a buffoon.

Genealogy / Can I feel a very tiny bit Polish? [21]


However, you're not Polish because you haven't embraced or understood Polish values and culture. You bonded with post-PRL boors and think them great.

Genealogy / Can I feel a very tiny bit Polish? [21]


Man I'm telling you what is essentially a formal doctrine of the Polish nationalistic movement. That has nothing to do with propaganda for multicultural society.

Poland for Poles - meaning in the interest of Poles and run by Poles and all those who agree with or want to be a part of it regardless of their origin. Those Muslims who want to introduce their own culture and values do not fit that bill.


Close, that concept was build on the tradition and culture that has been created by the old Poland - that basically was USA in Europe before USA.


It has never crossed my mind that you preach hate here. You are simply misinformed. I told you that contrary to many European nations Polish nationalism isn't ethnocentric.


Poland for a greater part of her written history has been full of immigrants, different religions and cultures. Homogenous only after ethic cleansing, change of borders and Soviet occupation - 1945.

News / Poland PiS' unpopular welfare policies lead to spike in TV purchases and alcohol problems [31]


I know what is your beef with PiS and I know what is PiS stance on welfare and social safety net. Its enough to add those two.


Geez./....FFS! OK.
Don't tell me you couldn't understand what I meant due to misspellings. There was no standard English or standard spelling before 18th century. Rightly called a century of snobs.

Don't tell me you couldn't understand what I meant here:


Causes of poverty are simple - no jobs, no income, health issues, mental problems, addiction, lack of stability and support due to split families, single parenthood and that is due to people not upholding values that actually works and have been working for generations.

Genealogy / Can I feel a very tiny bit Polish? [21]


Polish nationalism is not ethnocentric. Unless you learned about it from Soviet sources.


Really? Who would be judge of it? If they would be willing to defend its country on the battlefield, if they would embrace its values and culture. Who is to say that wouldn't make them Polish? True it could be more difficult for them than those who been born in the country but it is not impossible.


Racism has not place in the Polish modern nationalistic doctrine.

News / Poland PiS' unpopular welfare policies lead to spike in TV purchases and alcohol problems [31]


In your opinion and you know what they say about opinions.


Well, you're prejudiced against them for three reason that have nothing to do with their social policy and plans. It means you don't care about their social polices you just like to score another point in your ideological war against them.


Oh don't give me that, it is easy to guess, after all before 18th century people were writing in English every which way and communicate no problem..

UK, Ireland / How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here? [474]


I think you don't understand Polish system that is "free" and has been "free". The bribe you need to cough up is only if you want to jump a line for some treatments. Dental care is 100% free market economy and is working just fine.

Comparing quality of services is pointless, you can find losts of opinions on the Internet that belies your assumption or experience, some people are complaining about British system some about Polish - both nationalities.

If there is a lesson to be learned from it that would be a fact that regardless inequality in resources (as HS in B has a budget comparable to half income of the Polish state) standards of services in both state financed HS are not a world apart as one would have expected. At least at the level when it comes to the basic services. Not that I think that system in Poland is good or better and everything is fine and dandy. Guess what, they are "straining" too.

That just beside the point. That is all a quite immature my daddy is stronger theme.
I'm saying that American private insurance system is better even with Obama nonsense meddling than any state financed system with ingrained directive of "straining" to function properly.


A fine sentiment. Who is going to pay for it?


Unique in what way? Free healthcare was a standard in the former Soviet block, still is in France, Sweden, Canada and few other countries as well.


Who? Name them! The only time I heard about that famed British free healthcare the envy of all, it was here on PF and from a Brit.


Really? Just like that? Why all the beggars and gypsies from poorer countries didn't move already into Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden and Britain? I mean if that was a case we should see a massive shift in population. What stops them? I doubt that is that simple and governments have much more to day on the issue that they let it on.

Genealogy / Can I feel a very tiny bit Polish? [21]


So? Do you have a problem with it?


Who cares?


Who said that it would be - just like that ?You need to know what you get yourself into, IF you know nothing about Greek culture, don't know the language, no idea about values and history how can you call yourself Greek? That is folly.

I talking about serious people not jesters.
You might be sympathetic towards Poland if your DNA is Polish its entirely up to you. Fair enough.
Claiming that Polish DNA makes you to some extend Polish - nah!

Genealogy / Can I feel a very tiny bit Polish? [21]


Up to you!
Being a Pole is not about genetic make up. If you feel Polish and you mean it - you are Polish.

UK, Ireland / How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here? [474]


Don't let my bungled up previous post fool you, not need to be snarky here, I understood you well enough. I'm objecting to the word 'strain' as a way to describe an institution that deals with ill people. A Huge state organization that is supported entirely by taxpayers will be always strained due to its very nature, few people less few people more makes no noticeable difference but its a convenient excuse for failures or to ask for more resources.


With a system of welfare state that is based on Ponzi scheme you'll need to keep increasing population in order to finance that system. Getting in immigrants is a short cut in that direction, short signed but better still than telling people that you cannot support their live style anymore.


Whereas decrease in population would see taxes raised just to support the NHS on the some level.


You got a point here but as far as I know it is entirely up to the government to regulate those issues, I mean who would want to take in immigrants if they would go on a dole (benefits) strait from the boat? That nuts.

Also immigrants that are not able to support themselves for at least ten years or till they too old to work- that is just a big mistake. Who is in change?>


Sure but using that simplified rhetoric for illiterate about strain on HS cause by immigrants or Poles is not on! Even that gain you votes.

News / Poland PiS' unpopular welfare policies lead to spike in TV purchases and alcohol problems [31]


I think that PiS would be very much in agreement with you on those. You seem to be highly ignorant as to PiS.


People don't have jobs and money they struggle, many are just give up and wonders the streets dirking. Some who work 27 seven days a week to pay all bills and support family don't have a mind to bring in an old uncle who has a dirking problem and would sell a couch under them to finance his addiction.

State takes money that are supposed to use to help that uncle and does fat sweet all.
Solution, less taxes more money and time on the hand of that nephew and I bet he'll be willing to part with some of those money to pay for charity that would take his uncle from the street.


I do understand it to the T. It is legalized extortion where government sent people with guns to enforce it.

News / Poland PiS' unpopular welfare policies lead to spike in TV purchases and alcohol problems [31]


No, that is on the top of it what a state should do. As far as I know providing shelters for homeless is still obligation of a state or local governments (which is the same). Meaning taxing people on behalf of homeless and that using all these money for some token projects. While expecting people to pay for charity.


If I want to be selfish it is my prerogative and if I want to be generous it is my prerogative as well, I don't need state to be generous for my money taking all the credit. A welfare system sucks, avoiding middle man that take his cut would be a better idea.


Why are you stressing it? What so important about him being Polish? I don't know, there are many people in Poland that ain't Polish.


That silly, to emulate life there should be two more dudes with guns that would say - look at this poor family they need your help give us 2/3 of your harvest and we'll sort it out (or else showing guns).


Those two dude with guns would screw her for more of that stolen food. In fact the only option that hard working family has, is to eliminate those two thugs and employ the lazy family or they all are doomed.

Something that wouldn't happen if all people would have guns.

UK, Ireland / How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here? [474]


Statistically people who are putting strain on health services (WTF>?What a dickhead way to describe it?) are those over 65 and kids. Statistically those people are using services most because they have to and because they are "free".

People in their 20', 30', 40' are using them considerably less. One could argue that since few years back Polish women (hence that big xenophobic boo ho) stared to have children that would indeed put some strain on HS. However all these gibbering about Poles sucking out resources from HS stared before that.

What about binge drinking drug addict that are flocking to them hospitals? Are they not a a and aren't they more numbers - statistic that Poles using those service?

All that mess stems from the one issue having a huge state paid system that sucks and will suck no matter how much money will you throw on it. For many reason, inefficiency, corruption, ideologically biased politicians that think that bobs or penis enlargement should be paid by the state, because medical companies like to have a way with that big honey pot (money form taxpayers) and where is way there is will.

What kind of an ignorant fool and insular xenophobe one has to be to talk about strain that is being put on health services by are sick people or victims of an accident just because they are foreigners. Jeepers!

News / Poland PiS' unpopular welfare policies lead to spike in TV purchases and alcohol problems [31]


Well, you're no a kid anymore and you're indeed talking bollocks. That says more about your prejudices and being an uncultivated culturally clog that thinks its clever than about reality it.


Children of those partners whose relation to the religion seems more from cultural and social obligation rather then from any real attachment to the religion do suffer on such a affliction.


Geez, were you an orthodox?


Why do you need a church for that? Get few people, pay a dude, rent a place and he is gonna tell you all sorties that you like.


You hit the nail on the head. Plus Ponzi scheme that when it comes to a system of an old age pension that exist in Poland that takes even more from people's pocket has something to do with people having less children.

Solution less taxes, and specially stopping taxing so high employees for hiring people.
Poland state pays for health services, education and allegedly pensions, in my opinion all those should be gradually cut off from the state budget, basing it on a age, like over 40' and under 40' that would be at least an honest and realistic assessment of the reality.


/those cases should be left up for their families or charity that wouldn't be handled by a state and thus would work better and be cheaper.


Actually that should get nothing from a state. Why? Why people that have nothing to do with her and her child are forced to pay on her and finance her bad choice or bad luck in life?

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


First of all are there reliable sources to confirm your claim? I mean late time GW claimed that there were 240 000 KODitst on the street had to hasty retract it and give the real number 54 000 the we the voice of reason on this forum knew from the start.

Secondly what does it matters? If majority of people would vote in favor of apartheid laws and reintroduction of slavery would you went alone with that?

Some fundamental issues are beyond voting, they are either good or bad, right or wrong and that is that.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


I mean that you are arguing /reasoning that the real test of being a person is its ability of surviving on its own. So I have given you all those examples of people that are not able to survive on their own. Your reasoning suck.


Ah, so it is not an ability to survive on its own but the fact that a child is inside woman womb. Hey, that normal, that is the way things are and always were. Why such an obvious thing give anyone right to arbitrary decision about life and death of an unborn child? On what ground? Law?


Child is not the part of a woman body, its a separate organism.


Fair enough - good argument (congrats).


There is always a chance, it wouldn't be the first or the last time that doctors were wrong.


So thing that matter most is her comfort. What I don't understand is why killing a child on the spot would bring her a comfort? Unless she want believe a lie and think its only cluster of cells. Even then.


See, I don't buy this story. There is no way a doctor can force parents not to kill their child. They could go to other doctor or even to court, unless there is something else in that story we don't know and what changes everything about it.


According to Harry and jon those are not that difficult to find on your own. Failing that they can check on the internet unless they are unable to function on their own in the modern society. Either parents are retreaded or they are just cooking up story case somebody told them they can sue and win some money, or some people pay them for rising the rucks.


Highly theoretical, almost never happens nowadays.


Geez.. it mean that is an obvious fact of life that everybody know about it.


Why do you think it matters? Its garbage logic. In the same way a murderer could said that people are mortal, doesn't have to live and he is just speeding the process - what the harm?


No is not. On what ground?


Doctors are divided on the issue furthermore they're not here to tell people what is right or what is wrong. They are suppose to cure illness and as you should know pregnancy is not an illness.

Ever heard about doctor Mengele?

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


It doesn't mean that you need to discus with everyone about everything. Agree to disagree pretty much ends discussion at last in my book.


In a sense you are also a cluster of cells.


Really? How do you know? When exactly is the line that divide 'clusters of cells' and a human being?


I'm asking it again - what doctors have to do with pregnancy if mother and child are healthy?


Ever heard about DNA?

News / Good-change government raising minimum wage in Poland, cutting SB pensions [213]


Why would I fill pity for people who were traitors to their nation? Who all their lives enjoyed special treatment and privileges and a higher material status for selling out their own people and their country to an invader. Who committed many crimes and atrocities and who murdered people fighting for freedom?

What about wives and children of those they imprisoned , tortured or murdered?
Those whose lives they destroyed being willing tools of the evil totalitarian empire?
Do you care about them?
No, shame on you for siding with perpetrators and not their victims, with bad people trampling on unmarked graves of their victims just to defend luxurious lifestyle for their oppressors.


No, they were serving Soviet Union, their formation were commanded by Soviet generals and even as late as 80' received direct orders from Kremlin.
They never served Poland and Poland is no under obligation to pay them.


Indeed innocent lambs phew!
I don't ask for them to be hanged or imprisoned.
I'm saying that they were serving Soviet Union not Poland so then Soviet Union should pay for their needs, not Poland - simple!


OK typical Harryesque. Kaczynski is not former soviet secret police officer and your obsession with him border on insanity.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


I don't care about others. I thought we had an understanding not to debate this subject. You let me on to such a conclusion. I'm only pointing out that it was rude on your part to let me believe it and then chirp in.

By the same token I wasn't chirping in into your convo with Pol3.
Don't take me wrong I'm more than happy to talk about it. My point being don't suggest that you're done with a topic if you're not because that is rude.


toddlers, old people, mentally or physically disable people, injured or ill people - all those people are totally depending on others for their physical survival. Literally they would die without others, some will remain dependent their whole lifespan whereas a child became independent in time.

Honesty that 'argument' is not even a real argument.


Some posters here are not sentient what about them? Seriously though, how does it work? We know that child its alive and IF we hold human life sacred (do you?). That particular stage of human life when it cannot communicate properly shouldn't give us excuse to terminate it.


What doctors have to do with it? Pregnancy is not illness.


How do you know? Science claim otherwise.

News / Good-change government raising minimum wage in Poland, cutting SB pensions [213]


What you about? This is about people who are in their 80', 70', 60' and some are even 56 or less. All of them enjoyed not only privileged position for the last 26 years but were receiving pensions six times the number of an average pension in Poland. How about enough is enough. Instead of marching in KOD's demonstrations they would have to actually look for work.


Jugging by your example - very.


in that case they should their go to their country and ask for pension there - Soviet Union. Nobody is stopping them.


I don't know why you are bringing PiS or JK into it. A fact that their proposed that legislation by it is not first time and I don't think it is even their idea.

Poles are supporting it.

News / Good-change government raising minimum wage in Poland, cutting SB pensions [213]


It is appalling that for 26 years victims were struggling to make a living while they oppressors enjoyed lush luxury lives on their expense. Why would you side with an oppressive totalitarian regime and its thugs?

News / Good-change government raising minimum wage in Poland, cutting SB pensions [213]


For the right reasons, If they want they pension should call PRL or Soviet Union to pay them. They got more than enough already.


Well , they have never worked for the Polish state. There is no reason for the state to give them even a single cooper from its coffers.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


No, it mean that you shouldn't shout over me while I'm expressing my opinion to somebody else on the very subject we agreed to disagree on. That's bulling and bulling is rude. I'm more than happy to talk to you if that is what you want. This time around however I'll not accept slogans and monosyllabic comebacks for an answer.


Never said you are not entitled to your opinion.


Like you are precise refusing to admit that 'cluster of cells' is alive? That ridiculous. .


It is however a separate life. The same life that will develop all the necessary trappings of a child and a person. Even a five yours old kid knows that that particular 'cluster of cells' in its mother belly is/or going to be his or her sibling.


That is a very totalitarian point of view.


Hmm... if you suspect any criminal activity it is your duty as a Polish citizen to report it to do the authorities.
Not that it has anything to do with the topic.

News / Good-change government raising minimum wage in Poland, cutting SB pensions [213]


Shouldn't pay them anything at all.


No, that an act of justice.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]

Excuse me? We agreed to disagree on that issue and while talking to you I didn't say anything about person or religion. It doesn't mean though that I'm not entitled to MY view on the issue.

In fact it was Lenka that first started talking about a child in the context. Not that I need justify myself to you as our debate on the subject is pretty much ended. Even though that you hold to the ridiculous notions that life is not life or is not somehow alive I'm not chirping in into your convo with Polo or whomever and ridiculing you for that. So pretty please return the favor.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


No, Chemikiem I believe it is a purposeful distortion on the part of those illogically biased people who are ready to tell all kinds of lies just to sway people to their side. (take it back - they're so dumb sometimes that might even believe it) This law is aimed to ban abortion on all grounds true but is doesn't mean that it proposes to put life of a child over life of a mother. Both lives are equally precious. In practical terms if doctors efforts in trying to save mother's life would result in the death of a child they would still do it.

Pregnancy is no an illness.


You don't understand. . You agreement states that child cannot survive on its own. I'm have been giving you examples when babies or adults wouldn't be able to survive on their own. Like in the case when a victim of an accident wouldn't be able to survive without apparatus supporting his breathing.

Why not abort all them people that are unable to survive on their own? If that is an indication of being alive or being human in your book. Would you explain it to me?


Wow, that was rude.
Listen, it was you that chirped in into a debate I was having with others, so at least a basic courtesy and common sense would dictate that we FIRST talk about what I'm talking about.

Once we finish talking about pregnancies( 99,9% )that occurs due to a consensual sex, we can by all means talk about exceptions and those very rare instances when woman is impregnated due to a crime. Sound fair?

Seems like your argument is based around exceptions and hence isn't very strong anyway.


Still few days are better than nothing.


The point was in the baby being alive for a few days and in parents not having to live with blood of their child on their hands.


Arbitrary decision in matters of life and death. Maybe you could explain to me what was the point in killing that child earlier?


Wow? In what way doctors inflected them on anyone? It was no fault of the doctor, those things happen. Are you telling me that parents would be happier killing that child earlier? That abortion would spare them grief, sadness or loss? How do you know that?


You really don't know what cruelty is do you? Nothing cruel in letting your child live for a few days.
Cruelty would be in killing it just because it might be convenient for parents or that was what they thought.


Why not? Should we regress to the Twelve Tables law? At least that laws were more logical and consistent that what you and people like you are proposing.


It is!


Nope.