News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]


Yes, tickets have the bearers name on it which is linked to the Karta Kibica. No registration - no ticket.
Usually clubs also have cameras at the turnstiles and monitors displays the ID photo of the person who holds the Karta Kibica. You hold your ticket against a scanner and your photo appears on the monitor visible to the steward behind the turnstile.


And again, Legia is a perfect example of this. After the match in Belgium this season and the ban handed down by UEFA i read a report that said that Legia has accumulated fines and missed out on ticket revenue of approx. 10 million zlotych combined over the past 2 years.

News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]



What is there to "get" apart from the fact that once again you are trying to discuss something that you have no clue about. This thread is about football hooliganism in Poland, not about current events in the U.S. . Is that so hard for you to understand?

Regarding the eye scanners, if you would have the slightest clue about Poland or Polish football, you would know that appropriate measures have been introduced at Polish football stadia already.

However, Concordia Knurow plays in the fifth Polish league where measures such as the ones introduced at higher level clubs, simply do not make sense because they normally wouldn't have the attendance needed to justify such measures. Usually everyone would know each other on the stands anyway. No point to have an eye-scanner, "karta kibica" etc. if the "stadium's" fences can easily be climbed over too.

The problem is not the security measures that have been introduced. The problem is the follow up. Legia Warsaw is a fine example. The capo of their Ultras has been banned from the stadium several times, yet he lifted the Polish Cup in the stands of the stadium when a player went to bring it to him.

In any case, last weekend the police overreacted. There was no need to use rubber bullets as there were plenty of police to keep the two sides apart. In my opnion, and watching the video over and over again, the cop that shot the gun felt secure and safe not to attract any media attention in a 5th league Polish game, so he decided to use the gun to demonstrate "his strength".

News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]


You don't get the point. The references to the current events in the U.S. are in no way related to football hooliganism.
The references to the nets which apparently are shot across the pitch to catch pitch invading hooligans in German stadia, are related to the topic.

News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]

Polonius3, do you want to discuss current events in the U.S.? If so, please use the off topic thread or find another forum.

If you want to discuss what happened in Knurow, please do not mix the topics in one answer. Hooliganism in Poland (or anywhere in Europe) can not just simply be described as "mindless violence". There is a lot more to it. A look at the group's infrastructures makes it quite clear that we don't just talk about uneducated thugs.

However, first of all, I would like it if you could answer my questions regarding the nets in German football stadia, that shoot out across the pitch when someone invades it. Can you please tell me at which German stadium you think you have seen such a net?

News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]


You seem to know more than I do. Can you please advise in which stadium in Germany they have nets that shoot out when the pitch is invaded?

Anyway, I do agree that what happened on the weekend has to be looked at from both sides. On one hand, I agree that the police overreacted. The rubber bullets should be the last resort. On this occasion, the police did not even try anything else. According to the videos there were enough officers to keep the two sets of supporters apart. Looked more like a case of a trigger happy cop who thought he would get a away with it, seeing that there would be no media attention to his aggressive "crowd control". I guess it didn't quite work out as he would have imagined.

On the other hand, I can see and understand the argument "they should not have been on the pitch in the first place" .

Either way, if anyone thought that Polish football has returned to normality, at least in some Stadia, will find that the idea of violence free football games in Poland is now completely out of the window. Police will now have an even harder time to control the crowds at games.

Study / Studying in University of Lodz as an Indian student? What's the city like - is it safe here? [56]


Did that person intend to travel to Denmark via Germany from Poland? If so, either you are making something up or you have been told nonsense. Germany does not deport back directly to the country the person is from but back to the country the person entered Germany from. In this case, the person would have been handed over to the Polish police at the German / Polish border.

Work / Possibly changing jobs in Lodz - higher salary [19]


Do that. Have a few beer / vodka over Majowka (as is tradition in Poland) and think about it. But, if it is about money, speak to your manager at your current company first to see what they can offer you. If you have the right language and do a good job, they would be happy to offer you an increase which can be anything between 200 and 1400 zlotych. I know of a Polish native with fluent Spanish who just got 1400 PLN increase to make him stay because he was that good at what he was doing.

Don't listen to people like Dominic. It is usually people like him, who shout the loudest on internet forums, because in real life they have nothing to say in their "dead end jobs".

I am not sure which engagement you in at your current employer but if you want, drop me a note and we can take it offline.

Work / Possibly changing jobs in Lodz - higher salary [19]


You still don't know what BPO is, do you? You compare it to a call center without any real knowledge.

Your arguments and "facts" are nothing but laughable nonsense. The OP would have a lot of opportunities to "beef up his qualifications" in the company he is working for now. I know the company and they do offer external qualification programs such as ACCA or CIMA. But i guess, becoming a qualified accountant would be something his children would have to be embarrassed about, right?

Laughable, Dominic, simply laughable.

Work / Possibly changing jobs in Lodz - higher salary [19]


You would like to point out your opinion which more often than not is far from reality.


The OP has never said that he is working in a call center. He said BPO. The fact that you immediately think "call center" when being confronted with BPO, shows how little you actually know about the Polish job market. Yet, you are always the first one to give your advice which usually is nothing but nonsense.


At the moment, you are left with 2000 PLN on your bank account. These 2000 PLN are yours to spend however you like. You do not have any other financial commitments i.e. rent, bills, internet etc. etc.

With the new job, you get approx. 1700 PLN more net but you still have to pay rent, bills etc. After paying rent and all the bills, you will be again left with 2000 PLN but you have start all over in a new company.

I think I know which company you currently work for. I know the apartments they offer their employees are usually of good to high standard. This company also offers you training and development opportunities. Not only internal but also external trainings for example ACCA etc.

You may want to speak to your manager about the possibilities of development before you make your decision. I also know that this company, should you be doing a good job, would most likely make you a new offer (add a few hundred zlotych) if you indicate your intentions to move on.

Financially you would not be better off if you do decide to go for the new job. Perhaps even worse than you are now. I am not sure if it is worth to move for this offer.

Travel / The cheapest way to get from Lublin to Kiev - 2 days trip [7]


And a lot more interesting. Specially when the moment when they are changing the gauge.

Travel / The cheapest way to get from Lublin to Kiev - 2 days trip [7]

Cheapest way would be by Bus. Takes between 12 - 14 hours depending on how fast you get through the border. Price is about 160 PLN one way.

UK, Ireland / PLN to GBP - how to get the best possible rate for over 100K zloty? [21]

Do you have a link to the new regulation where it says that the same rule applies when travelling between two EU member states? The link and quote you posted points out the non-European Country rule


I am not aware of the change from 2012 so it would be quite interesting. It would also be a step back in our freedom of travel and movement of goods within the EU.

UK, Ireland / PLN to GBP - how to get the best possible rate for over 100K zloty? [21]


Jon, that only applies if the OP travels to the UK from outside the European Union. Same as if he was trying to leave the European Union, he would have to declare it.

Seeing that the OP will be the travelling from Poland to the UK (inner EU travel) the 10k EUR rule does not apply.

UK, Ireland / PLN to GBP - how to get the best possible rate for over 100K zloty? [21]

@ Terri, that would apply if he would travel to the UK from outside the European Union. The cash limit then would be 10k EUR.
I am not aware of any limits when travelling within the EU.

News / Germany provoke Poland using Silesian question. Poland's attitude ? [124]


Why would you say that? Germans have a close relationship with Silesians. And Poland does allow for that relationship to grow by allowing dual language city / town signs. We are on a good way.

News / Germany provoke Poland using Silesian question. Poland's attitude ? [124]


Just a pity that all your "brothers" turn their back on you.......

News / Germany provoke Poland using Silesian question. Poland's attitude ? [124]

Your point is that nobody can trust the Germans?
How do you feel about the fact that Germans are happy to admit about their country's wrong doing while your beloved Russians still deny the invasion of Poland in 1939. Is it part of your "brotherly love" to just ignore that historical fact? Do you want to discuss Katyn or do you start to shut up?

Law / Obtaining PESEL, ID Card and Passport in Poland [39]


Yes, I know. In fact, I once had a German consulate refusing to issue a temporary passport to me because I kept losing my passport on every single groundhopping trip when i was younger. I did get it eventually but was told to look after of my documents more carefully.

My question was more related to the wording "Hrvatwithapolak" has used -


- because whether this is PESEL or passport related, it does not make sense. PESEL is for life so no temporary PESEL numbers and a passport always is issued only for a defined period of time.

Law / Obtaining PESEL, ID Card and Passport in Poland [39]


A temporary what? Temporary PESEL number? I thought that's a number that follows you for the rest of your life once issued.

A temporary passport? There is no such thing as a permanent passport. All passports have an expiry date........

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


You should. Russia is a beautiful country and a lot of Russian don't actually support their president and his politics. Of course, not too many would say it it out loud in public. Russia has a lot more to offer than Putin, self-written history and raging wars with it's neighbours.

I for one would love to go back to see more of the country.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


This is what you base your argument on? Jokes?



I do not know where in Warsaw you take the bus, but my own experience here in Poland is completely different. The opinion of Poles being welcoming towards Germans is shared by a lot of Germans who work in Poland or visit the country as tourists.

I for one never had any issues for being German and I do not keep it as a secret. Following your bus example, I too have one. At my first Widzew Lodz game I went to the bar in front of the stadium because i had 3 hours to wait until kick off. It was late August, extremely hot and the bar quickly filled with supporters looking for a cold pint. Not the crowd I would join for a beer when going out with my girlfriend but for a few beer before the game, to discuss football, the crowd was ideal. It didn't take them long to realize that I am a foreigner and when asked where I am from I did not make a secret out of the fact that I am German. Usually, the football crowd are the ones you would expect to react in a unpleasant manner when meeting Germans, it actually turned out to be a pleasant afternoon. Even when, what appeared to be, their more senior hooligans and ultras appeared there were absolutely no issues.

You may have witnessed something happening on a bus but you can also see drunk people on busses. That does not mean that all Poles are drunks.

Although I do wonder how these Poles on the bus would have known that the guys they supposedly insulted were German. Surely, we do not have our citizenship tattowed to our forehead. They could also been Austrian or Swiss.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


You have clearly never been to Germany, otherwise you would not come up with such nonsense.

By the way "Das Lied der Deutschen" of which "Deutschland ueber alles" is part of the first verse was written in 1841. So you are referring to a few lines of texts which are over 170 years old.

Seeing that Germany has since moved from Kaiser, to the Weimarer Republik, to the Nazis, to being split into two countries to being re-united and becoming one of top strategic partners for a lot of countries in Europe (including Poland) and the world, I think your opinion might be a tiny bit outdated.

Not even Poles feel about Germany the way you do. What's pathetic is that you are trying to argue using stereotypes which have very little to do with reality.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


"Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles" is the first verse of the "Lied der Deutschen" which later evolved to become the German anthem. The Nazis only used this very first verse where as now the only verse used is the third verse.


Yes, that is correct.


Thank you Anet. That's possibly one of best statements in this thread!

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


Attempts of whitewashing are only part of your wild imagination. Discussing facts and trying to whitewash something are two different things.

If the facts are too painful for you to discuss, then don't discuss them.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


So, are you saying that the Ukrainian guards did not carry out the orders given by their German officers? You do know what it meant to disobey orders in the SS, don't you?


Nobody has ever said that Germany wasn't responsible for the Holocaust.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


Sure. I am oblivious to what is going on around me here in Poland :-)


If you don't want to waste your time, then please also respect my time. Of course it is easier without registering your username. You can come up with a new name every day and never fear to have to provide any backup to the nonsense that you write.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


Who you met and what they pretended to be is not my problem to be perfectly honest with you. I believe that I have made it very clear where I am from on numerous occasions.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


How would you know? Is there a record of which country the guard was from who locked the door to the gas chamber and which country the member of the SS was from who dropped the gas from above?


When you bother to register on this forum as a member I might.........

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


Yes, he is the one i meant. Thanks jon.

Interned / locked away. It's the same thing isn't it? He became dangerous and the British government knew that he posed a thread. They locked him away as a pre-caution.

Not a bad thing. The Germans should have given Hitler the sentence he deserved and kept him locked up for the rest of his days instead of letting him go after a "spa retreat" in a Bavarian prison.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]


When did I ever make such a claim? On the contrary, in another thread I have made it pretty clear that I am German although my mother is Polish and my father is French. I have never, in any way, said anything that would contradict the fact that my passport is German and that I do feel that I am German even if I am the only one in my family.

How you get to the understanding that I claim to be Polish after my comment -


- is simply beyond me. You can of course write "HAHAHAHA" in capital letters to try to get the audience on your side but it does not change the fact that I have never claimed to be Polish nor will i ever claim to be Polish,


Yes and I am sure that the people around you would be all too happy to admit the wrong doing of Poles in the Holocaust...........