PolkaTagAlong
24 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
I don't want to live in Durham, ugh. Believe me, it sucks, I've been there a lot.
I don't want to live in Durham, ugh. Believe me, it sucks, I've been there a lot.
PolkaTagAlong
24 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
Some people don't have a sense of humor. Sorry, but even many of the "best" or most upper class Mestizos are barely as good as average joe Anglo-Americans. Not as well off, not as tall, not as educated, not as attractive. It's just as obvious as the sky is blue, man if you can't see that you are really averting your eyes to a politically correct made up fairy tale land. It's not KKK or Georgia in the early 1900s, its just reality. I don't have hatred towards mestizos, I could care less about them, but I can't help but notice what I notice lol.
And you, the politically correct nazi come rushing to the rescue with your ridiculous, made up stereotypes that don't exist. I never claimed "racial superority" to a hispanic, I just notice that in general hispanics tend to be less well off than anglos physically, monetarily, and intellectually. It's just like the way rich black guys want to date white girls, the black girls are ugly and because they are rich they can get someone who is 8 times out of 10 higher quality.
I live in NC. I hear the good city with a lot of single men is Charlotte.
Yes! I believe my best bet is a Taurus. Let's see, I've dated other cancers, an Aries, an acquarius, and a capricorn.
I'm smart? Wow, that's the first time I've heard that, I guess I might not be an inbred hick from Georgia.
If you lived in Poland, you'd be talking about everyone who doesn't speak Polish, In Sweden you'd be talking about the muslims, and in the south, YOU would be talking about Mexicans!
I am surprised that so many people jumped in to give advice and so few commented on such a racist comment.Using language like that puts you in the same place as several groups of scum including but not limited to the Nazis and KKK.
Some people don't have a sense of humor. Sorry, but even many of the "best" or most upper class Mestizos are barely as good as average joe Anglo-Americans. Not as well off, not as tall, not as educated, not as attractive. It's just as obvious as the sky is blue, man if you can't see that you are really averting your eyes to a politically correct made up fairy tale land. It's not KKK or Georgia in the early 1900s, its just reality. I don't have hatred towards mestizos, I could care less about them, but I can't help but notice what I notice lol.
Kinda my point,the probable descendent of some bog trotting indentured white slave comes on here proclaiming her racial superiority to a Hispanic....like I said,all the class of KKK pre teens beauty pageant....
And you, the politically correct nazi come rushing to the rescue with your ridiculous, made up stereotypes that don't exist. I never claimed "racial superority" to a hispanic, I just notice that in general hispanics tend to be less well off than anglos physically, monetarily, and intellectually. It's just like the way rich black guys want to date white girls, the black girls are ugly and because they are rich they can get someone who is 8 times out of 10 higher quality.
Did she actually say she is in Georgia? If you are, PolkaTag, get closer to Hotlanta! ;)
I live in NC. I hear the good city with a lot of single men is Charlotte.
Do you believe in comparing horoscopes? I'm asking seriously; it's been practiced for millenia in the East. The Asians say it's a very effective way of matching couples correctly.
Yes! I believe my best bet is a Taurus. Let's see, I've dated other cancers, an Aries, an acquarius, and a capricorn.
smart as you are can have this kind of difficulty
I'm smart? Wow, that's the first time I've heard that, I guess I might not be an inbred hick from Georgia.
If you lived in Poland, you'd be talking about everyone who doesn't speak Polish, In Sweden you'd be talking about the muslims, and in the south, YOU would be talking about Mexicans!
PolkaTagAlong
23 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
lol!
It's not worth it to me at this point and I am close to getting my degree. I am already 100% sure of what I want to do. Soon I will have a good job in medical office administration. My typing and language skills are better than most, and it's a growth field, so I feel sure I'll be able to find a job. My only hope of meeting somebody at work will be a young doctor someday, which I think isn't going to happen, because doctors have long hours and i require attention. I think if I were a doctors wife, I would need a psychiatrist lol. I would definitely turn into the "crazy doctor's wife" stereotype, because I get so anal. I want someone who is fun loving and isn't too tied down by their job.
I really wish that I had gotten the opportunity to live on campus for a few years when I was 18, but I honestly think it would be wrong to put my parents through such a financial hardship. If I had done that I would have been poorer than ever, because I would have had no money to live on and consequently no life. I applied a few places and was going to get like almost a full scholarship because of my grades, but it didn't pay for everything, and it still would have been almost impossible. I would be stuck with hand me down clothes and frozen dinners every night. If it had have been possible, it would have been a great experience and enriched my life, but everyone is losing their opportunities in this economy. It would have been a great chance to live life independantly and come to some conclusion about what I wanted to do.
No pun intended.
lol!
You are probably not going to find quality guys off the www. However, there are universities or colleges. Have you thought about maybe enrolling and living on campus?
It's not worth it to me at this point and I am close to getting my degree. I am already 100% sure of what I want to do. Soon I will have a good job in medical office administration. My typing and language skills are better than most, and it's a growth field, so I feel sure I'll be able to find a job. My only hope of meeting somebody at work will be a young doctor someday, which I think isn't going to happen, because doctors have long hours and i require attention. I think if I were a doctors wife, I would need a psychiatrist lol. I would definitely turn into the "crazy doctor's wife" stereotype, because I get so anal. I want someone who is fun loving and isn't too tied down by their job.
I really wish that I had gotten the opportunity to live on campus for a few years when I was 18, but I honestly think it would be wrong to put my parents through such a financial hardship. If I had done that I would have been poorer than ever, because I would have had no money to live on and consequently no life. I applied a few places and was going to get like almost a full scholarship because of my grades, but it didn't pay for everything, and it still would have been almost impossible. I would be stuck with hand me down clothes and frozen dinners every night. If it had have been possible, it would have been a great experience and enriched my life, but everyone is losing their opportunities in this economy. It would have been a great chance to live life independantly and come to some conclusion about what I wanted to do.
PolkaTagAlong
23 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
I was just thinking the same thing, I need to lower my standards a little bit and just let things happen instead of scrutinizing and trying to cherry pick my situation. I just have a few reservations that I am not willing to budge on, like that he can't be non-white and he has to be tall. I just know that I can't be attracted to short men.
I know for a fact that internet dating doesn't work.
I was just thinking the same thing, I need to lower my standards a little bit and just let things happen instead of scrutinizing and trying to cherry pick my situation. I just have a few reservations that I am not willing to budge on, like that he can't be non-white and he has to be tall. I just know that I can't be attracted to short men.
Nothing wrong with finding a partner online. It's the 21st century people! Some of you sound like my Babcia.
I know for a fact that internet dating doesn't work.
PolkaTagAlong
23 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
I didn't come on here to find a husband on the internet lol. Nothing says stupid like making judgements about someone you've never met before.
They are already classier than you by a country mile. Nothing says class like coming on an internet forum to find a husband..... BTW, what is your location? Georgia in 1853?
I didn't come on here to find a husband on the internet lol. Nothing says stupid like making judgements about someone you've never met before.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
Most men are far too lazy, infantile, unsuccessful, and wanting to be pleased every second, and far from bedroom material. I could go on with more reasons all day, from the video game addictions to the dancing around the truth to the taking everything they want and not even thinking about the woman's needs. Most men cannot take criticism or admit when they're wrong, they can NEVER be at fault for anything.
Most women your age are far too picky, demanding, spoiled, materialistic, and far from girlfriend material (i could go on with more reasons all day). This is precisely why you're having a hard time finding a man and why most guys are wary of serious relationships with girls your age.
Most men are far too lazy, infantile, unsuccessful, and wanting to be pleased every second, and far from bedroom material. I could go on with more reasons all day, from the video game addictions to the dancing around the truth to the taking everything they want and not even thinking about the woman's needs. Most men cannot take criticism or admit when they're wrong, they can NEVER be at fault for anything.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
ugh
Its impossible to get to know someone when all they're interested in is getting in your pants. period. I try to get to know them and all they keep asking me is if I will give them a blow job.
You would probably be best off by finding an older man, someone 30+ years old.
ugh
You're not going to have a good conversation with someone if you don't know them or don't attempt to get to know them.
Its impossible to get to know someone when all they're interested in is getting in your pants. period. I try to get to know them and all they keep asking me is if I will give them a blow job.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
The problem is, there really aren't a lot of places here like that to hang out and find the right crowd. No one hangs out at a museum or art gallery, it is a small town. There are no concerts, unless you count weird hippy stuff like a drum circle. There is a very strange divide of people here. The weird hippies/gays and old yuppies and the baptist country people.
Some guys practically won't even have a good conversation with you until they know something is in it for them. If a guy wants premarital sex in a relationship, and the girl refuses to give it to him because she wants to make sure she is safe, or she is not in love with him yet, then the guy will go elsewhere. The only time a relationship has the potential for chemistry is when the man asks the woman out and pursues her, and I don't have any beautiful hunks chasing after me, just sayin, so I think I have to lower my standards. When there is real chemistry between two people, it is very hard and unnatural to develop a platonic relationship. That's not what I'm looking for. Real men don't do that.
What I'm trying to say is, the guy always wants it before I do, either because I don't like him as much as he does me, he is not ready for a real relationship and can't control himself, or he doesn't care about being with me he just wants to bang a pussy. Maybe young guys get frustrated because they are inexperienced and I am demanding and slow-moving.
The problem is, there really aren't a lot of places here like that to hang out and find the right crowd. No one hangs out at a museum or art gallery, it is a small town. There are no concerts, unless you count weird hippy stuff like a drum circle. There is a very strange divide of people here. The weird hippies/gays and old yuppies and the baptist country people.
Sex ain't about I give I get. It's something you and your significant other want to do together.
Some guys practically won't even have a good conversation with you until they know something is in it for them. If a guy wants premarital sex in a relationship, and the girl refuses to give it to him because she wants to make sure she is safe, or she is not in love with him yet, then the guy will go elsewhere. The only time a relationship has the potential for chemistry is when the man asks the woman out and pursues her, and I don't have any beautiful hunks chasing after me, just sayin, so I think I have to lower my standards. When there is real chemistry between two people, it is very hard and unnatural to develop a platonic relationship. That's not what I'm looking for. Real men don't do that.
What I'm trying to say is, the guy always wants it before I do, either because I don't like him as much as he does me, he is not ready for a real relationship and can't control himself, or he doesn't care about being with me he just wants to bang a pussy. Maybe young guys get frustrated because they are inexperienced and I am demanding and slow-moving.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
We don't have those where I live, it's not a sophistocated place. And the "sophistocated" people around here are virtually dry of young bachelors that are my type (not talking about looks necessarily).
I'm thinking if I ever am to find the right person, I will have to move somewhere after I get my degree. It will be difficult living where I have no connections or family but it's do or die.
Re: club, I'm not talking about clubs. They go straight home after work? What about well to do guys that don't want to cook? Or want to hang out with their co-workers after work? You don't have those?
We don't have those where I live, it's not a sophistocated place. And the "sophistocated" people around here are virtually dry of young bachelors that are my type (not talking about looks necessarily).
I'm thinking if I ever am to find the right person, I will have to move somewhere after I get my degree. It will be difficult living where I have no connections or family but it's do or die.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
I am attracted to men that aren't super good looking, just in a different way. Like if a guy has an edge to him, and he's good looking, but he's not a ken doll, I defnitely still find sex pleasureable. There are different levels of attractiveness, obviously!
Really, my parents say it has to be like 5-10% of your income. I'm plenty ok with giving a small amount to charity, that is if it's a legit one that truly goes to a good cause. That may be the case with the churches where you are, but I'm pretty sure it's not the case here.
I didn't say they aren't looking for sex! I WANT a man to desire me, he just has to know that I am not going to give him what he wants until he gives something to me, and that is protection and commitment. If you give a man the prize, what incentive does he have to carry on with the relationship? It shatters any chemistry there may be. They would never say they aren't interested in a relationship, they just mean it and they think the woman is stupid enough not to realize what they're doing, or they're just so impulsive and frustrated they can't help it.
I am attracted to men that aren't super good looking, just in a different way. Like if a guy has an edge to him, and he's good looking, but he's not a ken doll, I defnitely still find sex pleasureable. There are different levels of attractiveness, obviously!
Only a dollar maybe. You don't have to give them a lot.
Really, my parents say it has to be like 5-10% of your income. I'm plenty ok with giving a small amount to charity, that is if it's a legit one that truly goes to a good cause. That may be the case with the churches where you are, but I'm pretty sure it's not the case here.
Oh, Polka, practically all men, even the "good ones" are looking for sex. They all hope for a relationship that will be a steady and comfortable (but exciting) source of it. If they tell you they are not interested in a relationship, then you are not the one.Sooo...Probably the easiest way to get a man is with sex. But you have to mean it, feel it, and want it. Otherwise you are just trading it and .. you know what that is called.
I didn't say they aren't looking for sex! I WANT a man to desire me, he just has to know that I am not going to give him what he wants until he gives something to me, and that is protection and commitment. If you give a man the prize, what incentive does he have to carry on with the relationship? It shatters any chemistry there may be. They would never say they aren't interested in a relationship, they just mean it and they think the woman is stupid enough not to realize what they're doing, or they're just so impulsive and frustrated they can't help it.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
Yes, but I find it so weird because I can't be convinced that there is a God, I just can't. And you have to donate some of your income to the church, that is NOT happening. I am worried about finding someone who is very religious because I'm not religious, and it's kind of deceitful to pretend like you are.
Yes, but I find it so weird because I can't be convinced that there is a God, I just can't. And you have to donate some of your income to the church, that is NOT happening. I am worried about finding someone who is very religious because I'm not religious, and it's kind of deceitful to pretend like you are.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
Yes, but I am good at resisting it, because I am highly sensitized. I don't think its realistic to assume that the man I find is going to be irresistibly attractive. Uber attractive men are a pain in the butt and picky most of the time. Most likely they will live with you, and get uninterested and move to another girl when they find that you smell after exercising or don't give a good enough hand job. Because, quite realistically, they can get anything they want with the way they are, and everyone wants the best they can possibly get. I don't want to live up to those ridiculous standards. There are very few decent, attractive men. I can be in love with someone that i'm not as attracted to and be infatuated with the person i'm more attracted to.
You have to let the men find you, yes, you are right, but you have to make yourself AVAILABLE to be found. Because if they don't see you, or get acquainted, they will never know you're available will they?
Most of the time, men who are looking for casual sex are not that interested in a relationship, but are just looking for a pussy to bang. Once they find out they can't convince you to jump right in bed with them, they're not interested at all and you never hear from them again. Then there is the type who is more artful at getting you to think he is serious and is more willing to work at it. I have been burned so many times, I am just not going to let this happen anymore. This happens 90% of the time when a guy approaches me.
Yes, but I am good at resisting it, because I am highly sensitized. I don't think its realistic to assume that the man I find is going to be irresistibly attractive. Uber attractive men are a pain in the butt and picky most of the time. Most likely they will live with you, and get uninterested and move to another girl when they find that you smell after exercising or don't give a good enough hand job. Because, quite realistically, they can get anything they want with the way they are, and everyone wants the best they can possibly get. I don't want to live up to those ridiculous standards. There are very few decent, attractive men. I can be in love with someone that i'm not as attracted to and be infatuated with the person i'm more attracted to.
You have to let the men find you, yes, you are right, but you have to make yourself AVAILABLE to be found. Because if they don't see you, or get acquainted, they will never know you're available will they?
Most of the time, men who are looking for casual sex are not that interested in a relationship, but are just looking for a pussy to bang. Once they find out they can't convince you to jump right in bed with them, they're not interested at all and you never hear from them again. Then there is the type who is more artful at getting you to think he is serious and is more willing to work at it. I have been burned so many times, I am just not going to let this happen anymore. This happens 90% of the time when a guy approaches me.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
Could be, but a lot of bad men are avid churchgoers, it's part of their act.
You're definitely right about that. It's just hard for me to go to a church I've never been too when I'm not even religious.
I don't even think there are too many singles nights at local churches, I dunno these people are weird about that kind of stuff.
Could be, but a lot of bad men are avid churchgoers, it's part of their act.
it's hard to find people who want relationships among the general populous.
You're definitely right about that. It's just hard for me to go to a church I've never been too when I'm not even religious.
I don't even think there are too many singles nights at local churches, I dunno these people are weird about that kind of stuff.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
Hmm, could be a good idea, but I dislike church people around here very much. It probably just depends on the church though.
Hmm, could be a good idea, but I dislike church people around here very much. It probably just depends on the church though.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
We broke up after a month. He took things too quickly or he was just trying to use me all along. Guys in med school do that. The sooner we broke up the better though, because now that some time has passed by I have realized just how WRONG of a person he was for me.
We broke up after a month. He took things too quickly or he was just trying to use me all along. Guys in med school do that. The sooner we broke up the better though, because now that some time has passed by I have realized just how WRONG of a person he was for me.
PolkaTagAlong
22 Jul 2012
Love / Best way to find a Polish husband...ideas? [120]
I am stumped as to how I can find a guy who is move in or husband material, everyone I come across that I think might be turns out to want casual sex? Do you think its just because I attract the wrong thing? I think so, but I don't think it's my fault. I am innocent, polite, shy, i look like I could get taken advantage of, but they underestimate how sharp I am. I think I tend to attract guys who are either controlling/abusive or just looking for casual sex. I honestly think when I go out to places I have very little to choose from, not many in my age category (25 or younger), single, and not even close to my type. I want someone who is sane to the core, responsible/moral, classy, tall, white, and has his life on track but not overly religious. This is virtually impossible to find while at the same time be approached by. I have been approached by classy hispanics (no seriously don't laugh, guess they're trying to climb the race ladder) but they don't meet my height requirement and I feel uncomfortable with them, no white men. Is it unreasonable to give up? I just think it's because there is a low population of bachelors my age, the area I live in is full of old people.
Honestly I think a good Polish-American would be right up my ally. We would mostly likely have similar ways of doing things and stuff we expect from the other person. We would both sensitive and affectionate and serious about love. That is out of the question though because of my location.
I am stumped as to how I can find a guy who is move in or husband material, everyone I come across that I think might be turns out to want casual sex? Do you think its just because I attract the wrong thing? I think so, but I don't think it's my fault. I am innocent, polite, shy, i look like I could get taken advantage of, but they underestimate how sharp I am. I think I tend to attract guys who are either controlling/abusive or just looking for casual sex. I honestly think when I go out to places I have very little to choose from, not many in my age category (25 or younger), single, and not even close to my type. I want someone who is sane to the core, responsible/moral, classy, tall, white, and has his life on track but not overly religious. This is virtually impossible to find while at the same time be approached by. I have been approached by classy hispanics (no seriously don't laugh, guess they're trying to climb the race ladder) but they don't meet my height requirement and I feel uncomfortable with them, no white men. Is it unreasonable to give up? I just think it's because there is a low population of bachelors my age, the area I live in is full of old people.
Honestly I think a good Polish-American would be right up my ally. We would mostly likely have similar ways of doing things and stuff we expect from the other person. We would both sensitive and affectionate and serious about love. That is out of the question though because of my location.
PolkaTagAlong
19 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
Well, he said they still don't feel free in Poland. I'm guessing if censorship from communism was going on not too long ago there is still a hint of it going on, because it takes time for people to become unbrainwashed. I've never been there, so I don't know.
Well, he said they still don't feel free in Poland. I'm guessing if censorship from communism was going on not too long ago there is still a hint of it going on, because it takes time for people to become unbrainwashed. I've never been there, so I don't know.
PolkaTagAlong
19 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
Oh haha I get it.
Now I am beginning to understand the historical influence for that quote. When communism went away, it mostly turned into completely rich and completely poor people right? So, what do you think needs to happen in the world before political and cultural changes can begin to take place in Poland?
When I say cultural changes, I mean a stronger national identity that cultivates the individual and no censorship in the media.
It means that the exploitation of man by man doesn't end under socialism although the exploiters and the exploited switch positions.
Oh haha I get it.
PolkaTag, the historical facts seem to show that Polish individualism, or the sense of independence and personal uniqueness, had a powerful expression in the First Polish Commonwealth, where the dominant social class was the nobility.
Now I am beginning to understand the historical influence for that quote. When communism went away, it mostly turned into completely rich and completely poor people right? So, what do you think needs to happen in the world before political and cultural changes can begin to take place in Poland?
When I say cultural changes, I mean a stronger national identity that cultivates the individual and no censorship in the media.
PolkaTagAlong
19 Jul 2012
Life / Is it McPoland? [63]
I like that.
I know exactly what you are talking about and it drives me nuts. When the fries are fresh, they are delicious. Most of the time they are ok, some of the time they are not good, and they've got about a one in five chance of being delicious.
Mcdonalds food is crappy and full of chemicals, but when you need a quick bite, it won't kill you. If you don't have health problems or lead a sedentary lifestyle, eating it once a week or less isn't going to make you a big fatty. I used to practically never eat fast food, but now that I've been in college for a few years I've definitely gotten my freshman 15, although I was quite skinny then. I wouldn't quite say I'm too fat yet, but I'm definitely borderline a little too heavy. So, yes, if you eat fast food now and then, you will most likely not be slender, your waist will get bigger. I think you Polish should watch out and tell this fast food crap to go away, it tastes like crap and will ruin your culture. I'm also in favor of parents being strict on young girls (and even boys sometimes) about their diet. Fear has to be instilled in them about getting fat to counteract all the agressive marketing of junk food. They have to be taught that the taste of junk and fatty food is not worth what it will do to you and you should avoid it like the plague.
thinking Yanks
I like that.
What I don't like is when they make a ton of fries and leave them sitting at the fry station for thirty minutes so they get dried out and stale
I know exactly what you are talking about and it drives me nuts. When the fries are fresh, they are delicious. Most of the time they are ok, some of the time they are not good, and they've got about a one in five chance of being delicious.
Mcdonalds food is crappy and full of chemicals, but when you need a quick bite, it won't kill you. If you don't have health problems or lead a sedentary lifestyle, eating it once a week or less isn't going to make you a big fatty. I used to practically never eat fast food, but now that I've been in college for a few years I've definitely gotten my freshman 15, although I was quite skinny then. I wouldn't quite say I'm too fat yet, but I'm definitely borderline a little too heavy. So, yes, if you eat fast food now and then, you will most likely not be slender, your waist will get bigger. I think you Polish should watch out and tell this fast food crap to go away, it tastes like crap and will ruin your culture. I'm also in favor of parents being strict on young girls (and even boys sometimes) about their diet. Fear has to be instilled in them about getting fat to counteract all the agressive marketing of junk food. They have to be taught that the taste of junk and fatty food is not worth what it will do to you and you should avoid it like the plague.
PolkaTagAlong
19 Jul 2012
Work / Would it be easy to live in Poland next summer and find a job and a place to live? [14]
That sounds like it would be a fun experience! Wish I was Polish enough to do that.
That sounds like it would be a fun experience! Wish I was Polish enough to do that.
PolkaTagAlong
19 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
@Boletus, you are interpreting everything I said too much in black and white, I am not going to take the time to explain it for you again. My impression of Polish culture is that because of certain influences, it seems to be more on the altruistic side. When I started the thread I stated my opinion and my impressions and was then asking what other people's opinions were.
Can someone explain to me what this Polish saying means? Under Capitalism, man exploits man; under socialism, the reverse is true.
@Boletus, you are interpreting everything I said too much in black and white, I am not going to take the time to explain it for you again. My impression of Polish culture is that because of certain influences, it seems to be more on the altruistic side. When I started the thread I stated my opinion and my impressions and was then asking what other people's opinions were.
Can someone explain to me what this Polish saying means? Under Capitalism, man exploits man; under socialism, the reverse is true.
PolkaTagAlong
18 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
I do not claim to be a social scientist or anything other than an opinionated person, but I am confident in the inferences I make based on what I observe. You are totally misinterpreting what I said. I tried to explain it a thousand times. Let me quote myself. [Let me repeat myself for clarity, I am not saying Polish people are not individualistic necessarily, I'm saying the culture isn't. Culture is gradually influenced by the masses over time and as things change.] These are not just things I've observed in Polish people, but all cultures. Although this varies quite widely in America and other western countries like it, people of a certain group tend to automatically inherit and absorb cultural personality traits of their kin. I can look around me and observe these things and see for myself that it is fact, I don't need to conduct sociological experiments or read scientific journals to know this is the case. I am merely stating my opinion for it to be heard, I have never understood why people on the internet are so hung up on members posting "scientific proof" for their beliefs, which is about as "debateable" as the history books and sources you point out. Anyone with an agenda can try to cherry pick their way into proving their hypothesis.
OF COURSE there are individualistic Poles who contributed to the culture, I was never saying that POLISH PEOPLE can't be individualistic like anyone else. Just from what I can see in traditional Polish culture is that individuality is not naturally encouraged through that culture. I am not saying this because I know a lot of Polish people, I'm saying it because I can tell that what is considered the cultural mainstream is not individualistic, because of history and religion. I know what individualism is, and I know on my own terms that cultural traits are absorbed into the next generation, further strengthening the cycle of what it promotes. Nothing is so black and white like you are making it out to be. On one hand someone could be very individualist and contribute something very original, but on the other they are absorbed into a culture that is altruistic/collectivist and they can't see anything else, so they are not an individualist in the pure sense. All cultures are collectivist to an extent, otherwise they wouldn't even be a culture. It is a very complex and abstract issue.
I do not claim to be a social scientist or anything other than an opinionated person, but I am confident in the inferences I make based on what I observe. You are totally misinterpreting what I said. I tried to explain it a thousand times. Let me quote myself. [Let me repeat myself for clarity, I am not saying Polish people are not individualistic necessarily, I'm saying the culture isn't. Culture is gradually influenced by the masses over time and as things change.] These are not just things I've observed in Polish people, but all cultures. Although this varies quite widely in America and other western countries like it, people of a certain group tend to automatically inherit and absorb cultural personality traits of their kin. I can look around me and observe these things and see for myself that it is fact, I don't need to conduct sociological experiments or read scientific journals to know this is the case. I am merely stating my opinion for it to be heard, I have never understood why people on the internet are so hung up on members posting "scientific proof" for their beliefs, which is about as "debateable" as the history books and sources you point out. Anyone with an agenda can try to cherry pick their way into proving their hypothesis.
OF COURSE there are individualistic Poles who contributed to the culture, I was never saying that POLISH PEOPLE can't be individualistic like anyone else. Just from what I can see in traditional Polish culture is that individuality is not naturally encouraged through that culture. I am not saying this because I know a lot of Polish people, I'm saying it because I can tell that what is considered the cultural mainstream is not individualistic, because of history and religion. I know what individualism is, and I know on my own terms that cultural traits are absorbed into the next generation, further strengthening the cycle of what it promotes. Nothing is so black and white like you are making it out to be. On one hand someone could be very individualist and contribute something very original, but on the other they are absorbed into a culture that is altruistic/collectivist and they can't see anything else, so they are not an individualist in the pure sense. All cultures are collectivist to an extent, otherwise they wouldn't even be a culture. It is a very complex and abstract issue.
PolkaTagAlong
18 Jul 2012
Feedback / Daily/Weekly Polls (suggestion) [19]
No, we do not need Polls, otherwise we'll have 50,000 opinions.
No, we do not need Polls, otherwise we'll have 50,000 opinions.
PolkaTagAlong
18 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
It was you who was doing that all along. I always insinuated that I was talking about Polish people in America. Yes, I am aware that "these days" globalism is taking over and every corner of the earth is slowly turning into a hell hole.
It was you who was doing that all along. I always insinuated that I was talking about Polish people in America. Yes, I am aware that "these days" globalism is taking over and every corner of the earth is slowly turning into a hell hole.
PolkaTagAlong
18 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
I know because I hear about it from my family, and I study history. But when I assume to know something about Polish culture, I'm talking about Polish-American culture in their communities. Some of these things I just know because I subconsciously follow them, even though I wasn't raised in Polish culture. I never said I knew anything about a country I've never been too, but one can get a pretty good idea from studying history from books and on the internet.
I know because I hear about it from my family, and I study history. But when I assume to know something about Polish culture, I'm talking about Polish-American culture in their communities. Some of these things I just know because I subconsciously follow them, even though I wasn't raised in Polish culture. I never said I knew anything about a country I've never been too, but one can get a pretty good idea from studying history from books and on the internet.
PolkaTagAlong
18 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
It's not hard to tell just by observing it in general. Let me repeat myself for clarity, I am not saying Polish people are not individualistic necessarily, I'm saying the culture isn't. Culture is gradually influenced by the masses over time and as things change. If a culture even has stereotypes at all, it usually can't be very individualistic. For example, I can't really make out a clear stereotype of a Brit or a Frenchman or an American. Most Western European countries are pretty individualistic, but there were times when they weren't.
eeew, sick, why did you post a link to that. You ruined my day.
PF MEMBERS, DO NOT follow the link, it is sickening and you will be sorry you did.
And you know this how, exactly?
It's not hard to tell just by observing it in general. Let me repeat myself for clarity, I am not saying Polish people are not individualistic necessarily, I'm saying the culture isn't. Culture is gradually influenced by the masses over time and as things change. If a culture even has stereotypes at all, it usually can't be very individualistic. For example, I can't really make out a clear stereotype of a Brit or a Frenchman or an American. Most Western European countries are pretty individualistic, but there were times when they weren't.
This Pole is quite individualistic:
eeew, sick, why did you post a link to that. You ruined my day.
PF MEMBERS, DO NOT follow the link, it is sickening and you will be sorry you did.
PolkaTagAlong
17 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
I'm sure this is a big deal for Poles living in their home country, but when I say the smothering influence of the family is bad, I'm talking about immigrants living in contemporary America. It creates a culture clash and the customs are totally unnecessary. Not to say families shouldn't stick together, but many take it to an irrational, extreme level.
I think I'm going to have to agree with you here. Individualism is not a "refusal to cooperate." I tend to think of cultures in which you see the same distinctive traditions and customs of a nation, and same personality stereotypes as more collectivist rather than indvidualist. I think a lot of this is probably from the influence of the catholic church. Although I will say that Magdalena is right in saying that MOST people aren't stubborn and uncooperative . Polish culture isn't really individualist, Poles just have to process ideas through their own head and follow their own will, whatever it may be. They will never take someone's word for something. Being stubborn and opinionated is different from being individualistic in which you are influenced by your own unconventional ideas rather than tradition. There may be very individualistic Poles, but as a whole their culture is not very individualistic IMO.
As for forumers speaking about the (bad) influence of the family...
I'm sure this is a big deal for Poles living in their home country, but when I say the smothering influence of the family is bad, I'm talking about immigrants living in contemporary America. It creates a culture clash and the customs are totally unnecessary. Not to say families shouldn't stick together, but many take it to an irrational, extreme level.
I still think you're mixing individuality with stubborness or refusal to conform.
I think I'm going to have to agree with you here. Individualism is not a "refusal to cooperate." I tend to think of cultures in which you see the same distinctive traditions and customs of a nation, and same personality stereotypes as more collectivist rather than indvidualist. I think a lot of this is probably from the influence of the catholic church. Although I will say that Magdalena is right in saying that MOST people aren't stubborn and uncooperative . Polish culture isn't really individualist, Poles just have to process ideas through their own head and follow their own will, whatever it may be. They will never take someone's word for something. Being stubborn and opinionated is different from being individualistic in which you are influenced by your own unconventional ideas rather than tradition. There may be very individualistic Poles, but as a whole their culture is not very individualistic IMO.
PolkaTagAlong
11 Jul 2012
UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]
uhh huuuuh huuuuh huuuuh uhhh huuuuh huuuuh huuuh *makes sad face*
*Wipes eyes and sniffles*
youtube.com/watch?v=0A89VTMk8HA
This is actually hilarious to me because when I got stopped one time for tailgating I cried uncontrollably because I was afraid the cop was going to take away my license or something because he sounded so mad.
uhh huuuuh huuuuh huuuuh uhhh huuuuh huuuuh huuuh *makes sad face*
*Wipes eyes and sniffles*
youtube.com/watch?v=0A89VTMk8HA
This is actually hilarious to me because when I got stopped one time for tailgating I cried uncontrollably because I was afraid the cop was going to take away my license or something because he sounded so mad.
PolkaTagAlong
11 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]
Sorry, I don't believe this. What proof do you have?
Yes, Polish parents are very controlling (my sister's friend married a Polish man and his parents ruined the marriage). This is actually one of the reasons I doubted individualism in their culture, because the parents have so much influence and control over the children their whole lives. I was talking about the closeness of the Polish FAMILY, not the parents in particular.
Sorry, I don't believe this. What proof do you have?
Yes, Polish parents are very controlling (my sister's friend married a Polish man and his parents ruined the marriage). This is actually one of the reasons I doubted individualism in their culture, because the parents have so much influence and control over the children their whole lives. I was talking about the closeness of the Polish FAMILY, not the parents in particular.
PolkaTagAlong
10 Jul 2012
UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]
He was probably upset because he didn't know exactly what was going on. But that is weird the way he was crying though LOL!
He was probably upset because he didn't know exactly what was going on. But that is weird the way he was crying though LOL!