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Koala   
17 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

l you have no credentials" and "take my word for it", because once I was a layman who might have had similar misconceptions and had to analyze the is

Swarming anyone with links is not constructing an argument. My argument was that 'g' is used for phonetic transcription as it;s the closest sound but not quite the same, you failed to shoot it down, escaping to attacking my credentials and intelligence.

I think we're done here, I'm not used to "take my word for it" arguments.
Koala   
17 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Nevertheless, if a biologist describes these facts to you, you don't tend to question them.

Again with that nonscientific crap. A scientist always questions everything. He has to be confident in his theory to have some base to work upon, but he can never be certain.

If someone came to me with some layman physics misconceptions, I'd find better arguments than "lol you have no credentials" and "take my word for it", because once I was a layman who might have had similar misconceptions and had to analyze the issue.
Koala   
17 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Yeah, exactly like chemists are scientists who cannot influence the laws of chemistry, and architects cannot change the law of gravity and build houses in the sky. So what?

Yes, but scientist (physicists at least, as that's my background) never, and I mean never claim to possess the ultimate truth in any case. Unless they're very bad physicists. You OTOH claim to be the ultimate wisdom in your field.
Koala   
17 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Well, then try to tell a biologist that frogs are mammals, or a chemist that water is an acid. Let's see them humbly accept those revelations.

They'd shoot down the argument, not attack the person. Which is what you are unable of doing.

hat's the same subtle difference when the English say 'car' where many swear they hear 'r' but there is no 'r' at all. Yu are expecting to hear 'k', but it's not there.

I'm not expecting to hear 'k' and I'm not arguing it's 'k'. As for your car example:
dictionary.reference.com/browse/car

Both pronunciations (w/ and w/o 'r') are suggested. Maybe people do pronounce it only you insist they don't.
Koala   
17 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

And I am referring you to phonetic transcription, as used by linguists the world over. Don't just take my word for it. Check it for yourself.

"G" might be used as a transcription because a sign has to be used and it's probably the closest one. However, my larynx and tongue do not move in the same way when I say "także" and "tygrys/pogoda" when k/g and g are pronounced. I also hear the subtle difference in sound, that's all there's to it.

I have to add, scientists in other branches of science (non-linguists) are a lot more humble and I never heard anyone saying "lol you have no credentials, Polish education sucks yaddayadda" as you two here are doing.
Koala   
17 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Some of the anglos on this forum have been complaining abut the level of education in Poland lately.

Cry me a river. I pronounce a sound that's between 'k' and 'g', at least not the same 'g' like in words 'pogoda' or 'tygrys', but the same sound like in 'pogrzeb'. No university professor quote will convince me otherwise.

I lost the beer! Yffan told me that... and I forgot how it went ;-)

Siemki :)
Koala   
17 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Koala - the language undergoes evolution. This is not that Warsaw speaks that way. The Polish Internet speaks that way and it becomes nation-wide. You would be surprised how many new words I learned from Fjasz and Yffan, both from Świebodzin ;-) Especially form Yffan who once was my drummer in a music competition.

I'll buy you a beer if you know how we call 'ziarna słonecznika' in Świebodzin and surroundings if you answer without googling. :P

"Namówiłeś mnie" really means "you convinced me" but this phrase has a special meaning:
-- Napiłbym się piwa...
-- Namówiłeś mnie.

That's a humorous way to say "I'm in", but frankly such phrases to be made up on the fly and do not have permanent meaning.

The fans of Legia Warszawa and Lech Poznań agree to a meeting in a forest called "ustawka".

Yes, but I think it is more often used in terms of online games, I'm doing ustawki with my friends to play Left 4 Dead :P

But I am positive about 'g' before 'ż'.

We don't say it's 'k', we say it's neither 'g' nor 'k'. Unless you pronounce the same sound in 'tygrys' and 'także'
Koala   
16 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Your Polish dries out. Could you tell me the meaning of the word "stylówa"? The current meaning of the phrase "Namówiłeś mnie" and the origin of that? How would you call informal meeting/fight of supporters of two different football teams in a forest? You won't find it in the books.

Stylówa - another Varsovian fugly creation not used in the greener lands of western Poland.
Has "namówiłeś mnie" shifted its meaning recently? It's always been "you convinced me to (...)"
That word is more often use in context of online games. :P
Koala   
16 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

Well...it beats putting whole armies as animals when 90 percent are behaved within the laws....

Even ignoring those 10% who were acting out of their free will, you have mass crimes on the system level. Death camps were organized by the state/army and mass genocides commited on nations of Eastern Europe, our most valuable people were murdered first. Then you have organizations like Bund der Vertriebenen on the forefront of Polish-German relations, repeatedly labeling the German death camps as "Polish camps", the propaganda that only Jews were murdered (though this can be blamed more on Jews) and the subject of WW2 still stirs up a lot of emotions.
Koala   
16 May 2011
History / Russians 'tortured to death' in Polish camps? [58]

The Wiesenthal center itself put the number of criminal axis soldiers at less than 10 percent...which made them the exception not the rule.

Are you kidding me? <10% of people behaving like wild animals is a huge number, <0,1% and we could talk about the army holding some standards.
Koala   
16 May 2011
News / Poland-EU: Positive and negative features? [45]

TBH the distances there are huge though, so it's not really that suprising. We cen't get this stuff right in our tiny country, I can't the nightmare of connecting Russian cities.
Koala   
16 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Whatever linquist say, you neither pronounce "g" nor "k" in także. The sound is indefinite, in between, unstressed. You also not pronounce "jabłko" but "japko", otherwise it resembles old English actors pronouncing the "r" theatrically :-)

Again with your Varsovian dirt. We here definitely do not pronounce it with 'p', though not exactly with "bł" either.

"Garnki" czy "garki"? Odwieczne pytanie...
Koala   
16 May 2011
News / Poland-EU: Positive and negative features? [45]

Just don't come back and complain about bad roads in Russia.

Are they that bad (esp., compared to Polish roads, not German)? I was in Moscow once, but went there by plane and the Moscow ring was quite impressive, but I wasn't further from Moscow.
Koala   
16 May 2011
News / Poland-EU: Positive and negative features? [45]

I wish Ukraine joining the EU.
Still, even without Ukraine in the EU, I can enjoy Ukrainian beer like Obołon, buy Ukrainian "kvas" here, enjoy the pepper and birch Ukrainian vodkas. I'm afraid what happens when Ukraine joins EU ;-)

Where do you live? In the western Poland kwas = LSD

Bratwurst Boy -- the positive side of joining the EU for Poland is constant increase of cigarette prices until they will reach the German level.

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Koala   
16 May 2011
Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Do you though take into consideration dialect or regional, slang pronunciations of Polish words? Not sure eliminating diacritics will necessarily solve the confusion stated. Or maybe I missed the humor somewhereLOL

There is no different slang pronunciation of words though and there are only a few regions where people pronounce stuff differently (actually only one - Podhale... Ślązacy and Kaszubi claim to have different languages :P), it's not an issue!
Koala   
16 May 2011
News / Poland-EU: Positive and negative features? [45]

All these issues are caused by people though, not alcohol itself. I am never aggressive when drunk, never hit any of my ex girlfriends when drunk etc. People who did such things should be punished for it, their wives should leave them.

On top of that, you can't drink in public places in Poland and I don't know why you flipped it into an alcohol vs smoking discussion.

Banning smoking is to patronizing for me

It's banning smoking in public places.
Koala   
16 May 2011
News / Poland-EU: Positive and negative features? [45]

well, following the logic: if you don't want to breathe the smoke, just avoid places where people smoke... smokers have to adjust and non-smokers not?

Quite simple - if that my hobby or other activity causes discomfort or may cause discomfort to other people, at least I should ask if it's OK to do it in their presence or wait until I'm alone altogether.
Koala   
16 May 2011
News / Poland-EU: Positive and negative features? [45]

Not really. I don't care if you smoke at home, as long as I don't have to breathe the smoke.

Poland should definitely not become a model for other countries. Economic growth is still mostly fueled by a cheap workforce.
Koala   
16 May 2011
News / Poland-EU: Positive and negative features? [45]

I don't. If smoking becomes a necessary physiological activity for you, you are the one who screwed yourself, not anyone else. You should not make others suffer because of that.