History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


Yes, I'm an expert. Funny. That is why i said 400 years and not exact dates. You came through the 3 partitions, WW2 and Communism in the last 400 years. You still have your culture. Where is British culture now?

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You are a prize idiot. Just read what i write and don't put your own words in there. I am trying to defend my country against YOUR stupid attack that my country betrayed Poland. I like Poland, I spend all my free time in Poland so I am not attacking your country.

I am stating facts not my opinion of Polish people. Your view that we directed the Nazi's and Soviets to attack Poland instead of France in 1939 is wrong. They wanted your country destroyed, was it Britain who ordered the Katyn Massacre? You would have been attacked whatever Britain had tried.

The Battle of Britain - "Never have so many owed so much to so few" if it was not for Polish and Czech and the rest of the foreign pilots it would have been lost because we had such a little Air Force. The RAF was broken after the Battle of Britain and was vunerable to attack. Hitler attacked the Soviets instead. Why?

All I have ever said is blame the Soviets and Nazi's for what happened to Poland in WW2 not Britain. Everything else you think i have said you have made up.

I respect Poland and the Polish for coming through the last 400 years and still having their culture intact. I don't respect you and the others who have your blinkered and small minded view of History. Look at the big picture of History not tiny little bits because you get a distorted view.


You make it pure by attacking Britain with wild claims. OK, that makes so much sense.


I don't read only English versions of History the same as i would not trust a French version of French History. You must read a few sources to discuss History.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

I will not discuss history with the uneducated Polish people on here any more.

Nazi's and Soviets invaded Poland because they wanted to, they did it in 1795 with the partitions and did it again in 1939. Fact.

Britain tried to help Poland by giving Hitler an Ultimatum. If he invaded Poland we would be at war. This was supposed to stop the war. Fact.

Educated Polish people understand this and they are nice people to speak to.

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You are a prized buffoon. I have nothing against slavs at all. Its just a fact that Hitler thought Slavs as Sub Human. Hitler Attacked Russia, his pact with Russia was just part of his plan. The Soviets would help to destroy Poland then he would destroy the Soviets. Living space to the East is what Hitler wanted and the Slavs were in his way.

You are so blind and WANT to blame Britain. Britain thought Hitler would stop if they let him have the Sudetenland, stupid yes, to betray Poland no. Britain was not ready for war with Germany until 6 June 1944. We just tried to do the best we could. Do you know anything about the Battle of Britain? Britain were lucky that Hitler was not really interested in invading, if he had invaded after the Battle of Britain he would have over run us. FACT

The British Army has been lucky throughout history, the officers and politicians have never reacted fast enough or in the correct ways and the normal soldiers have managed to win the battles.

Famous Hitler quote "Give me British soldiers and German Officers and I will rule the world"

He wanted Britain to join him to use our Empire, have you heard of Rudolf Hess?

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Hitler hated Poland much more than the French and was going to wipe you off the map again with or without Britain. Hitler hid his military build up in civilian guises. Lufthansa changed into the Luftwaffa, they took the seats out and then had bombers.


Grow up. Your history is warped. Argue with facts all you like but you just look stupid.

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I know the mess started there, the victors were very stupid when they set all the borders during the Treaty of Versailles.

I was just trying to point out that the UK did not direct the Nazi's to attack Poland just to prepare for war. Britain tried to be an ally but its thrown back in our faces by some Polish people.

The BRITISH RAF tried to help Liberate Poland from the Nazi's by supplying the Warsaw Uprising but were hampered by the Soviets because they wanted to occupy Poland after they kicked out the Nazi's.

The Nazi's and the Soviets were responsible for what happened to Poland, not Britain.

(Note that i say Nazi's and Soviets and not Germans and Russians)

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I answered this question earlier and was told no British person had died on Polish soil during WW2. Therefore I posted to those who said no British person had died on Polish soil during WW2.


You heard did you? Great source!!

The Nazi's viewed Slavs and Jews as Sub-Human (Fact) But they would attack France instead of Poland?

They wanted all the land taken off them from the end of WW1 back as German.
Parts of Czechoslovakia, Poland and France.

Callaghan was a Labour Politician, these people did not agree with War and using the military. Look how many Labour Governments went to war (Ignore Blair's New Labour because its not true Labour) Britain was not prepared for War, we did not use Appeasement to buy time for war, it was used to try and prevent war. The Conservative Government did not agree with this policy.


The Soviets invaded Poland on the 17 Sept 1939, Poland were still fighting. Poland surrendered to the Soviets and Nazi's when the Soviets and Nazi's both reached the Bug river.

Britain was an ally of Poland, stop attacking Britain and attack the real villains. Oh sorry, the Nazi's and Soviets are gone now so you attack someone else.

The Nazi's and Soviets wanted to wipe Poland off the map AGAIN as they had done 200 years earlier. Britain helped Poland regain its country from Germany and Russia after WW1 with the Treaty of Versailles.

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This is for all of you who deny that British people died on Polish soil in WW2.

I have been to the Cemetery in Krakow where the British Airmen from the Warsaw Uprising supply missions are burried.

15 August 1944 they were shot down over Polish Territory.

There were British POW's kept in POW camps in occupied Poland who died on Polish soil too.

Do you want to deny these facts too?

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The decision was made in 1945(Yalta). Stalin put it forward in 1943(Tehran).

Churchill made no such pact. It was the USA that "!!***TOLD***!!" Britain it was going to happen along the "Curzon line"

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You are stupid if you think Churchill had any say.

Stick to your version of reality but promise you will stay in Warsaw and come no where near Lodz.

Ignorant people cause wars and problems.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


No FFS.

2 - S u p e r p o w e r s . - B r i t a i n - w a s - n o t - a - s u p e r p o w e r.

I will say it slowly so you might understand.

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Absolute Bollocks. You were sold out by your own traitors, not the British. Was Britain a superpower at the end of WW2?

No, it had no influence. The Soviets, Polish communists and the Americans are to blame.

The Polish communists stole your money and Gold.


If you are going to quote documents, it would be nice to include every page. Starting at 61 and then only odd pages. I think there would have been an English version too.


The British are the same.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Switek

Thats what i'm trying to say.

1 out of a 100 Polish people I have spoken to think it was Britain that sold them out.


I was meaning, good for Poland in the long term, short term it was bad while it lasted. Poland is stronger now than if it was not communist. It would be over run with Muslims if it had stayed like the west.

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Not all English are the same. Not all polish are the same.

The majority of Poles see that Britain did not sell out Poland to the Russians. Britain was too small to stop the Red Army. Our influence was replaced by the 2 Superpowers.

Soviets and Nazis made a pact to share out Poland again. Nazis broke it and then the Soviets took the whole of Poland.

Anyway

Poland being communist for so long was good for Poland, at least you still have your National Identity and will keep it. Britain is not the same country as 20 years ago, its worse. Poland is now a better country.

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its probably one in four citizens of England are not English. So England is not English?

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I did not deny that they were in the Battle of Britain, a few did. The vast majority fought for Poland all through the war and up to 1989.

In reality all soldiers fight for their friends and not their country. Sure they join the Army to fight for their country but when the bullets start flying its their mate they fight for.

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You fought to get Poland back as a country. How was London behind the Poles backs when most fought in the Italian Campaign. Monte Cassino was taken at the 3rd attempt by the Polish Army.

You WANT it that Britain is bad so you alter reality to your own reality. Its only your opinion that Poles fought for Britain not a fact.

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I said your statement about Britain leaving you to the Soviets was untrue.
You write so much that is not fact.
Your people fought for Poland, you could only carry on the fight in an un occupied country. How many un occupied countries were there in Europe that were in the fight? Britain did not fight for just Britain, we fought for all decent people in Europe, including Germans, to free them from the Nazi's.

Granted a by product was the Soviets took over Eastern Europe and for them the war finished in 1989.
What should the British have done about Auschwitz? Bombed it and killed more people in the camp than the Nazi's?
Dropping things by parachute is not an exact science, even now things in Afganistan fall to the Taliban.

Like I said, get back to reality. Britain tried to help Poland in 1939 and look at the thanks we get from people like you.

I'm so glad you live in UK so I will never meet you in Poland.

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Its what I did, i spend hardly any time in UK because I don't like it. What level do you think it is? If you don't like some where, get out. Simple to me.

Believe Britain hates Poland and were part of the reason you were a Soviet country.

Take my posts out of context and choose not to see my point.

Keep living in your own sweet world where reality does not reach you.

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I am 35. I will await your apology for everything you just wrote. If you feel that strong about how the UK was then leave. You are living in a country you obviously dislike.

Your view of history is particularly 1 sided. The Polish did not go to the victory parade because they said the war was not over as Poland was still occupied so they had nothing to celebrate. (Maybe not all but the ones i spoke with who settled in Derby thought this)

Who helped get Poland back in 1918? Who was nothing to do with your country being partitioned. These are also reasons your country is poor.

Your soldiers did not fight for Britain, they were fighting the Germans how ever they could. If you cant see how small the UK was at the end of the war that is your problem. Who were the 2 superpowers at the end of the war? Where was the British Empire?

Russia and America, The British Empire was gone!!!!

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I was trying to say Britain was broke, I know what happened to Poland but for you to say


Is not true, we could not sway the Russians or the Americans because we were nothing.

You keep bringing extra things to this thread that are irrelevant.

You stated Britain left you to Stalin, this is not true. That is all I was pointing out to you.


Id like to know what selfish reasons we had. Our RAF was tiny and our army was tiny compared to the Polish Army. The country was not really set up to go to war for selfish reasons was it?

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America wanted everything back from us but they were our friends. There were people in our government, there still are, who just want money for themselves.

Britain was still on rationing for a few years after the war, we were broke. I for one don't begrudge Poland all the money that we give to you via the EU or the fact there are so many Poles in Britain now. We owe Poland a lot for carrying on the fight after Poland was occupied.

It is not fair to say Britain left you to Stalin. Look at who came out of WW2 with the most.


See above.

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You think I'm deluded? We were allies from before the war. What size Army did Britain have on 3 Sept 1939?

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Read the un biased history books better. Britain were powerless by the end of the war. America wanted Soviet help with Japan so Stalin held all the cards.

We paid America back the money we were given until 2006. By 1945 Britain was broke and not able to defend Poland from Stalin.

If we were not Poland's friends we would not have gone to war with Germany and you would now be part of Germany. WW2 ruined Britain to try and help Poland.


The British are not Americans. Stalin stopped the British from Landing in Russia and the Americans refused to do fighter escort all the way back to England.

My Grandma's first Boyfriend was not Polish and took part in the missions, he died trying to help the People of Poland.

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Funny it was an English historian that wrote some of the books i read that stated this.

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If we stuck to our promise of Poland regaining its original borders we would not have to pay so much to get Poland back on track. Look at how much money Portugal got, how much Holland got.

We tried to make up for our mistakes and it cost us a lot of money. It is no ones fault but the British Politicians. Hmmm... Ive heard that before.

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yes :) I know I have the book in front of me :)

It was the 1945 in the quote that made me write the wrong date I think.

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The Royal Air force flew some missions to Warsaw from Italy to parachute supplies to the Warsaw Uprising in August 1945. Maybe this is what he meant?

My Grandma's first boyfriend is burried in Krakow when his plane was shot down.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


Like I posted in a different thread, concentration camp took on a new meaning after 1942. All these places known as concentration camps before did not mean "Death camp/Extermination camp"

Bergen Belsen was also a concentration camp and not a "death camp/Extermination camp" and this was in Germany.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


I thought this post was


too.

Can I ask who had it far worse than Poles?