History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]


Nope, Silesians are a distinct ethnic group thats about 100.000 large, possibly smaller, everyone else is just an ihhabitant of Silesia, thats like calling US citizen a native american.

You're, as always excused for your ignorance.


So whats the point of it? Pretty much every Pole knows Germans are f*cked up but we have to learn and get along, there's money to be made and a common future to be built, there wont be any love anytime soon but it'll come given time.

History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]

Whats the point of this vid Ender? Also said Gerhard is not a Silesian he's a German and i smell a cheap provocation.

History / Hollywood stars to act in Italian film on Poland's Battle of Vienna [19]

Its got better, Austrians to this day actually believe its their emperor and his soldiers that saved the day, Poles figure in their history books as some auxillary unit to the combined austrian/prussian/saxon relief force.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

There's more but whats the point? Palivec is not interested in an answer.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


No but i can still discuss actuall data.


I know the cultural achievements of Ukraine, they're few, far between and none older than 100 years ago and i can name them too, thats not a case of ignorance born opinion.


They are? John Paul II, Chopin, Kościuszko, Poland might not be a top brand name but it has enough internationall postcard faces to not have to suffer statements like yours, Ukraine does not.

Its that simple, Ukraine has no noteworthy achievements, partly because the nation is a bunch of pathetic simpletons and partly because they did not have the time other countries had.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


No it cannot, only from your anti-polish perspective that ignores the fact that Poland, when partitioned had over 800 years of cultural development and 792 years of national development, Poland had writers, sculptors, painters, architects, scientists and generals, Ukraine had nothing of the sort, at all.

You're anti-polish Palivec face the facts.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Defensless people that is, they lost every war they took part in so fighting is out of their league as well.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Its true though, what cities, works of art, music or achievements of science did Ukraine have? None. All that was built, developed or achieved in Ukraine was done by Poles and Russians.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


When they lost the war against everyone, first they got beaten by polish civilians, then they got beaten by the polish army and then they got b*tchslapped by Russia.

Then they failed to establish a proper economy which led to them starving several milion of their own people to death and then blaiming their incompetence on Russia.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


There was no ukrainian army or ukrainian units, the ukrainian soldiers were, unlike Poles, pressed into Red Army units into Russian units.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

And stupid given how weak compared to Poland Ukraine is.


According to Nathan and the rest of those ukrainian nazis nearly a quarter milion Poles were killed by Russians, Germans and bird flu, Ukrainians werent even there.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Nope, Ukraine did not have a single regular military unit in 1945, not one.


Thats why you murder Jews, Poles and Russians when their armies are away and lose all actuall wars?


Well you tried a murderous rampage in 1919 but you got completely obliterated by the polish army so its more accurate to say ukrainians start a murderous rampage only when thy do not face any army :)))))

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


UPA - ukrainian insurgent army responsible for 100.000-200.000 murdered and tortured polish civilians.


I'm sorry? Poland in 1945 has almost 300.000 standing troops.


Ukrainians murdered them obviouly.


Nope, they were killed by ukrainians, remember when i posted pictures and figures?


So you belive ukraine is not responsible for the people it murdered?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


What about almost 200.000 polish civilians you murdered? Were thy all Jewish commies too? Tell me Nathan where was the brave ukrainian army in 1945 when polish military finally brought back order to the communities terrorised by ukrainians?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Which is exactly my point, Lithuania did absolutely everything possible to cause polish intervention, you dont f*ck over your bigger stronger neighbor in the fashion they did and expect peace and quiet, its a bit like stealing and not expecting to go to jail.

News / Visegrad Battle Group under the command of Poland [261]


German pervert!

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


But more than 67% of citizens of Vilinus spoke polish and thought of themselves as Poles.


That i'm afraid is not true, Poland never overthrew any lithuanian goverment.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Nathan you're quoting a wiki article that you yourself edited, last time you edited a battle in which you increased the size of participating armies about 10 times over.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


You say it was legitimate, i say it was not. Also some pro baiting mate.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Not really, Vilinus today is Lithuanian and should stay so, interwar period was something else entirely.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


The point is that Lithuania grabbed a city full of Poles by force and then shot/opressed/stole from them, that gave Poland every right to intervene via military means when diplomacy failed didnt it?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Wrocław and Szczecin used to be German thats correct, the university in Vilinus was founded by Stefan Batory and staffed with polish scholars from Poznań and Kraków.

See? You're still an idiot but you learned something.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


So you have tne answer, Vilinus came to the borders of Lithuania by an armed landgrab and got taken away the same way.

The questions you pose do not reflect the situation of Lithuania and Poland in the 20s so its pointless answering them.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Again you did not respond to my question, is landgrab by force of arms acceptable?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Try looking at it from the polish point of view, Lithuania grabs a city built and inhabited by Poles, it them opens its borders to the Soviets and finally opresses the local polish population.

Clearly Poland needed to respond.


He simply says that in politics might is the only right as amoral as it is, unless there exist other mitigating factors strength always dictates the development of a situation and when your countrymen are heavily opressed by a weaker state the use of that strength is required.


You completely misrepresented the situation, Lithuanians were jumping up and down with happiness that Poland even talked to them, they did not "invite" Poland they wanted and needed ties with Poland to survive both as people and political entity, they embraced polish wealth, culture and military power so the question still stands, how much of the lithuanian heritage is in fact polish?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Clearly the university founded by Polish people was wide open to Lithuanians as well.


Be carefull with original claims, such an idea was used by Jews to steal Palestine from the Arabs after over 1800 years of absence.


Very little ceirtanly, everything from schools and military offices to hospitals was built by Poles and usually staffed with them as well, the polish contribution to the development of the region was enormous.


Again be carefull with historic claims, they're unequal in many cases and can lead to a massive injustice.


But there is a difference, not only did Poles ensure the survival of Lithuania but they were the reason why villages became towns and towns became cities, with their civilisation firmly 200 years behind Poles and a small population Lithuanians were never able to develop or achieve things that they did with the participation of the Poles.

The question needs to be rephrased, what part of lithunian heritage would still be there without Poles?


It was not, in 1917 the borders were defined by nothing more than an armed landgrab and that was how Lithuania came to govern Vilinus.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


The question is what it means to be Polish? Vilinus was a city founded by Lithuanians but for centuries developed and inhabited by a polish majority.


The indigenous population of Poles was mostly exiled or murdered and the new Lithuanian settlers made up a majority, Polands claim to the city was its population and polish investment in the region for the past centuries, when the population element is not there Polands claim becomes fragile but still exists.


What? Why Vilinus did not became Polands capital? Because Warsaw is, Lithuanians set their capital there because it was the largest and wealthiest city in their country, the point is that its size and wealth are the direct effect of polish investment in the region.

Even the castle at Vilinus was built by Poles!

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Sean to answer your previous post.

Lithuania aided the Soviets because it, as all Europe believed that Poland would fall and hoped for lenient treatment from their future russian overlords.

A few moths later Poland crushed the Red Army in two major battles and suddenly the lithuanian world was upside down, not only did their capital have a vast polish majority (over 60%) but they were now viewed by victorious Poland as an enemy since by the act of aiding the Soviets they broke any sentiment Poles had towards them prior to the war.

Once Lithuanians started to opress the vast local polish population they effectively sealed their fate, soon enough Poland moved in and took Vilinus as its own.

Obviously present day Vilinus is Lithuanian though the mark of the polish culture in this city is undeniable and very significant.

For example the university of Vilinus was founded by the polish king and staffed with polish scholars, churches, houses, schools... For a lithuanian city Vilinus is sure full of Poland.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Not really, some 50.000 men.]


Lithuania helped the Soviets, you reap what you sow.


I'm not spreading hate Antek, i even have a long standing argument with Ironside who thinks Lwów should get back to Poland while i believe f*cking up Ukis is not right, i just think Ukrainians are, as a nation inferior to Poles or for that matter most european nations.

They did not create anything worthwile and they inherited the country built by Russians and Poles.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


1 milion square kilometers, income twice the size of the Holy Roman Empire in 1530, your opinion is worthless when faced with facts.


John Casimir sent the army to face Cossacks at Batoh under a mentally retarded commander so yeah he destroyed the army and you need to learn your history.