News / The chances for Warsaw to become capital of eventual Slavic confederation? [183]


This was not "pro-Russian" that brought you to that state, even though you call it so. I see here no more than a lame attempt to shift the blame upon someone which is in a way acknowledgment of weakness you later mentioned. In your book "a Russian" and "a bad" are synonyms; not that it touches me as is but it definitely makes me wonder about the very nature of such a phenomenon. Under no circumstances will I ever grasp how one can equal a nation with certain characteristics particularity if it comes to such a multicultural nation as the Russian one.


There's no smoke without fire. Applying to your land there would be no "Russian enslavement" if there was no nods within the Ukrainian folk. People are either good or bad; sticking to the theory "people are either Russians" or not is at the very least not smart.

I do not hate my people I just don't like some certain people regardless of their national background. I can't imagine me saying "did he cheat you? hmmm... he must have been Ukrainec" and loads of Russians wouldn't say that either. Arrogance is a lot of a feeble mind.


Oh please... Now you'll be saying that this was solely the Ukrainian destiny and spout lies of how the Russians stole all the money after the collapse of the USSR. Apropos we didn't get those money either. Everyone has suffered but the Russians are to blame. :)


What prevents you from being that right now? :) "Ham" at the helm? Think Julia would be any better? The Russian (no, I don't say "the Soviet" to pleasure your ears) heritage? Sure... :)

I would just suggest that instead of whining, revising history to make it fit nationalistic views of some of your sons you just go and work hard. And no, no one wants you to like the Russians, this is just your general attitude towards them that sounds ridiculous/unhealthy.

Seriously I have never heard such a stance before even though I know lots of Ukrainians.

News / The chances for Warsaw to become capital of eventual Slavic confederation? [183]


Ufff... it takes only to leave you unattended for a while and you go crazier in your reasoning like a naughty kid who needs constant supervision. Nothing new though.

Who are those "millions" I wonder? :) And how many millions are on? :))


You already are accurately what you described. How can you counsel? :) It looks like any direction would be better for you than your current state. :) Side with Moldova... that's who you to catch up with first.

News / WHY DOES POLAND BUY GAS FROM RUSSIA? [105]


Ufff... Natik, the level of your love towards us is well-known. Keep up a good job. And yes I know you "don't care but... let those **** russkies burn in hell..." *Nat's wiping out the foam at the mouth*


Who elected him? :) Let me guess... "Russians" right? How many Russians in Ukraine you said? 10%? less? How do you allow those halfbreeds to rule over you? How comes they occupied all the East of Ukraine? :) Poor, poor "Westerners"... you're literally surrounded by foes.

News / WHY DOES POLAND BUY GAS FROM RUSSIA? [105]


Please tell them not to buy Russian gas so that we can remove the burden of raw-exports role. That will be win-win position. We would overthrow the government which is incapable of doing any good for people and develop our industry, more Poles would be coming to Königsberg seeing there a better alternative for the expensive Norwegian one.

News / Unbelievable but, its truth. Poland is finally happy to share border with Russia [57]


The problem here is that your projected your view of small group onto the whole nation(s), which sounded quite arrogant.


However you successfully contrived to preserve your Slavic features. :) It's still not a problem for me to tell a German from a Pole... how comes? :)


A lovely statement... the discussion reminds me of a old Soviet anecdote about Caucasians...
Two Caucasians (Georgians, Azerbaijanis or whoever...) came to Moscow. Someone told them they would turn Russians if they climb up a Kremlin tower and touch the star upon it. They certainly believe...

So here they are climbing higher and higher... One of them however managed to reach the top first and touched the star. The other below yelling: "Hey, Abdula... give me a hand!"

The first one responed: "F@ck off, skibby (an offensive term for Orientals)!" and kicked him off down.
You won't be able to shift the blame upon third party every time. :)


What makes you feel like that? :) The fact that he's an ex-KGB?


Did he kill anybody or what?


You should have cited the latter piece too. I said that one couldn't see at the first glance the whole tragedy. That was my point. Yet you obliquely gave your assessment...


The late USSR was inhumane system? Care to explain which way? Just curious...

News / Unbelievable but, its truth. Poland is finally happy to share border with Russia [57]


What does stalin killing people in 30s have to do with people's quality of life in 80s?
Do you seriously believe in that putin miss ethic cleansing/purges?


Can you clearly see the result of the USSR collapse? I can't even though I live in Russia... I know that many people lost their jobs, money, lives, drank themselves to death... but it's only a visible side of the tragedy. Yet the negative oblique impact of that can't assessed... it may or may not be even more tragical. Nobody knows... well.. we don't for sure.

News / Unbelievable but, its truth. Poland is finally happy to share border with Russia [57]


A good example of an artificially implanted stereotype.
Firstly this was never said by any of Alexanders (oh... I forgot if it was ever written by a Polish journalist for the internal market that automatically means the truth), secondly this was initially said (and it has been mostly said) about Bulgaria, thirdly it doesn't have a negative connotation you want to embed. The sense of it is either "there's no need to go there since there it is as bad as in the USSR" or "one feels like at home over there".


What sort of mentality are you trying to picture? The collapse of the USSR was indeed a tragedy for most of people in the former SU, since they badly suffered financially. Many drowned grief in wine and never got back.

So what are you eventually trying to say?


Sorry... but I only noticed that you can't stand them for your superiority complex. :)
Ironically you're gonna be looked down on by those who you "feel closer to". :) That's your choice though...

News / Unbelievable but, its truth. Poland is finally happy to share border with Russia [57]

And I'll give it a try if you don't mind:

I don't believe in gambler's sincerity
Nor Polish love towards a Russian
I do not trust the French amitié
Nor selfless service of a Prussian*.

* - orig. "a German"


Are saying this


on behalf of majority?

Genealogy / Garus last name - from Poland or Russia? [28]

Eva, that might be of some help.
lastnames.myheritage.com/last-name/%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81

There's one member registered from Ukraine. Marina Garus. The Russian/Ukrainian spelling is Гарус. Good luck!

News / Decoded talks inside Poland's president's plane are released in Internet [337]


the epic fail. :)

News / Unbelievable but, its truth. Poland is finally happy to share border with Russia [57]

Crow, the problem is more complicated as it firstly seems. It has in fact little to do with trust and tragedies like Katyn. Mind you Ukrainian nationalists who are praised in modern Ukraine and raised to the rank of heroes, managed to kill a lot more in Wolyn are perfectly accepted whereas Russia with her timid, as yet, attempts to condemn stalinism is not. How comes? Just bordering Russia is like sharing a room with Valuev. He might be a good fellow but what if he goes crazy one day... what would you do then? Hit him with a candelabrum? That won't work... Call the elder brother from the other room? He will come when it's might be too late.

As long as Russia is big friendly relationship are only possible between certain Poles and Russia who are able to stay free of government's propaganda.

Genealogy / Garus last name - from Poland or Russia? [28]

Eva I don't know what russia is but there're some Garus (Harus) in Russia. Briefly garus in Russian is a type of cotton fabric, - "worsted" in English. The word was borrowed from Polish but earlier it had migrated into it from German. The word originates from "Haar" which is "hair" in German.

People with this last names live both in Russia and in the former USSR. It's however hard to tell which nationality had your forefathers, since nationality is a question of one's upbringing which has nothing to do with last names.

History / Slavic vs Germanic thinking.... and the philosophical differences [251]


Many things is a shame in this world. :) Pointing out others problems is a shame too.

History / Slavic vs Germanic thinking.... and the philosophical differences [251]


What are you on? :) You truly believe I'm not aware of the problem or what?

History / Slavic vs Germanic thinking.... and the philosophical differences [251]


goes for some females who think it's the easiest way to improve their welfare...

History / Slavic vs Germanic thinking.... and the philosophical differences [251]


What a piece of crap. :) Should we Russians go to England/Germany/Zimbabwe to look for a soulmate?
It may be trustworthy for a small village where everybody is a brother/sister for each other but for a country or like you said for three different countries with just similar in patches genepool... Slavs would already extinct following your logic.

News / Poland to penalise commie symbols [27]

Don't forget to ban Solingen knives too. Before renaming they had produced cutthroats for Ustashi (Croatian heroes). Did you already sell your VWs?

Polonia / Trip to Sweden - questions [39]

Shush, I stayed in Mornington hotel på Norrbyvägen. That doesn't exactly meet your wants, since you were looking for a hotel close to Arlanda but I generally liked their offer and the hotel itself wasn't really bad.

If you're planning to see sights of Stockholm and visit its museums I would recommend that you purchase stockholmskortet. Are you renting a car btw? If you're staying mostly in Stockholm I don't think it's a good idea.

You can pay with euroes almost everywhere. In the hotel I realized I didn't enough kronor and they allowed me to pay in euroes (at not very profitable rate of exchange though).

Lycka till! Good luck!

News / Father Popiełuszko beatified in Warsaw [28]


Jola, you're now speaking in terms of claims. With all due respect this was an ad hominem argument. It's not proven...

News / Father Popiełuszko beatified in Warsaw [28]

Polonius how can you claim to be a journalist or be interested in history?


I would love to let them go. :) They don't want to. Maybe you know why?


Aren't they?


exit or exist? :) Russia is a multinational country and has been for centuries. Are you jealous for that we can get along well with most of them? Do you suggest that half of Russians (that's my rough estimate on number of ethnically non-Russians in the RF) exit the Russian Federation. How on earth? :)


Polonius wants to cut his own throat.

History / What do Polish people think about Belorussians? [38]

I was talking about the present day. :) Seems like one has to...


A groundless statement on your part. The history doesn't know the conjunctive mood. Besides Lukashenko is obviously not a Russian agent on throne. He has his own agenda.

History / What do Polish people think about Belorussians? [38]


What is the background for such a poor state of affairs between us in your understanding? Really interested in your view. Feel free to pm in Russian/Belorussian if needed (don't speak the last one but will take pains to understand).

History / What do Polish people think about Belorussians? [38]


That doesn't make any sense to me, sorry.


I never said unity with Poland could somehow degrade or even affect self-respect. There's nothing wrong with being friendly to one's neighbours.
I already apologized for that I was too hasty and probably too harsh in my conclusion but here and there I've run onto many examples of how people from the former USSR (including Russia) are ready to adopt the most ridiculous version of their own origins/heritage and pervert the history for the only purpose to bash Russia and shift all the blame upon her. It's like trying to disprove one false theory taking on trust the other one false.


If this is the case I applaud him as well. Why shouldn't I, considering that I'm here on this forum for the purpose of learning more about Poland?


Threat? You probably meant jealous if it comes to the very pinch, but "threat"... *shrugged*


I'm afraid I can't track your logic here either.


That solely forms your personal opinion which against the background of your at times magisterial and mentoring tone sounds somewhat irritating. People tend to believe what they want to believe in, don't they? Communicating with people from Western and Eastern parts of Ukraine two people may end up with diametrically opposite opinions. Why do you act as if you have monopoly on the truth? You've travelled a lot? Ok, I'm happy to hear that. I've been to more than ten countries either. If we still want to measure the truth with our experience then I would emphasize one's open mind first of all as a key to learn the truth. If one doesn't like to hear the harsh truth or something that doesn't fit one's own agenda, how can one claim being all-know?


???

You're a right opinions are like asshåles but the options in real life are very limited unfortunately: limited political parties, limited religions, limited candidates for presidency and so on. Wanna be apolitical atheist? Ok, go for it but you won't be unique either. Now about "information age"... it's harder and harder for people to pick from the various info the proper one, no matter if one lives in nominally democratic Poland or in nominally totalitarian Belorussia. Nowadays it doesn't really necessary to scare anybody to have a firm grip on the reins of power. It only takes to win over the majority, the crowd to come to power. People can think but most of simply don't bother themselves to.


???
whose?


Who form the opinions of those who have never travelled in this world as simply can't afford to, id est the opinion of the vast majority, you think?

History / What do Polish people think about Belorussians? [38]

Yes, and "ruski" means Russian in Russian. That's what I wanted to say.


I've got no intention to keep flock together. This ain't my purpose and I don't support any kind of imperial ambitious, in the mean time I realize that's likely to be the only way Russia can exist, unless falling apart herself.

What part of my Russian rhetoric you found outdated I wonder?
As for keeping flock together... Russia is going through tough times and obviously doesn't have a gut to hold control over anybody. Money, media resources are the only essential things in nowadays world. If one has got them, tomorrow average Pan Kowalski, Pan(Gospodin) Tarasevic and Gosp. Iwanow will believe everything they're told. Yours or mine opinion won't count.


What makes you feel like that? If one found out that the direction was wrong, it doesn't automatically mean he would choose the proper one next time. A good example Ukrainians and Bandera (and now Pres. Janek is not the best choice either). Besides all talks about course line are pointless as long as they've got Lukashenko at the helm. Let's not forget about the reality.


Can't speak for an average Russian but I want it to be fair. No more than that.

History / What do Polish people think about Belorussians? [38]


Not at all. I just got the first impression of the "same old whining".


I do and I hope you do as well. I apologize for that I seemed to misread this piece:


and rushed to a conclusion.


As I said the proper word is "Polka". What was meant is that some people from Russia and generally the former USSR wrongly use the term "Polachka". It's not a derogatory term but it somehow questions the educational level of a speaking person.


If you say "Ruski" - yes, it does. It's practically self-designation for Russian people (males). It's like "Polak" I guess. "Kommunist" wouldn't make any sense, unless the person you talk to is a commy. :)

History / What do Polish people think about Belorussians? [38]


Oh, I am well-aware of this convenient approach. Once there's a chinning of some achievements/inventions/goods there one could stick with another nationality, however if that's god forbid some sots/stalinists/evil there we've got "the Russians" perfectly fit. :)


It's a just a mistake. There's no such a word in Russian language. The later mentioned "Polka" is the word.


My profile says it all.

History / What do Polish people think about Belorussians? [38]

Another sheep straying from the flock, losing its identity, scraps of self-respect, desperately placing his stake on "I hate Russians" field to attract the Poles. :) A typical slave psychology, whatever your antibat'ko/Russia statements are. Still can't figure out if it's funny or pathetic. I believe both.

The Russians call Polish females "Palachka"... Gosh. :)) That made my day. As if some Belorussians don't do this...

Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]


No wonder, it's just another stupid thread about generalizations. :)


South aka KP, I can put you in touch with Ukrainian ladies you're gonna run like mad from crying aloud. :)

Being kind, generous, nice etc is indeed part of Orthodox Christianity values (as of Christianity on the whole), yet you shouldn't forget the simple truth: all are not hunters that blow the horn.

News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

Pawian i Paulina, thanks for pics!


Thanks, Paulina, I heartily appreciate that!


Your observation is pretty much accurate. Amid the lack of information about Poland in Russia most of sane people walk pass this topic, whereas jingoes settle down on it like on a strainer. As I said it unfortunately takes a couple article or a forum thread translated to foment hatred. In other words, the problem is mutual.

News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]


Inosmi you mean? It's a cesspool of hatred and fiefdom of jingoes and hatemongers. It's like surveying prisoners to get an idea on what the life on the freeside is.

But the really sad thing about it is that it only takes a translation to make a mess. One doesn't even need to make up any kind of nutritional cocktail. Everything is ready.

I bet you, Paulina, ran onto the same ilk of Polish guys over there...