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Bratwurst Boy   
6 May 2011
News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]

Few woes in Warsaw

economist.com/node/18621646?story_id=18621646

...as I said! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Won as in captured and managed to secure the territory until truce.

And the majority of the Germans living there?

You know, that's another fact to compare between "mean" Prussia and cool Poland. Under Prussia Poles grew, expanded and flourished...und polish rule the Germans...well...got ethnically cleansed, centuries of history vanished, destroyed, denied..till today!
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

how many villages you have to cluster to outweigh a major city??

That was the problem...

won against industrialised and more numerous city dwellers.

won?

I think you should deal with it and move on.

I have moved on...I just will chime in whenever german history is being downtalked and denied in those lands.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

The conslusion to that discussion was there was actually a part of Silesia that did not want to be a part of German and fought hard for it.

Problem was it wasn't a "part" but a lose collection of farms and several villages around the urban centres which were predominantly German.

But they wanted those too in Poland! After all Warsaw had not much use for the farmlands, it wanted the modern towns, the modern infrastructure, the modern schools and universities, the rich coal fields...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Maybe because it's one set of rights for Poles but another one for Germans...I like to point out this double standard whenever I can! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Well....you are measuring everything Prussia did during the last centuries with today standards about minority rights too, don't you...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

You don't give autonomy to a region because it has a 4% minority that wants that autonomy. That's absurd and no principle can change it.

Silesia was 2/3 german for centuries...didn't stop Poles from demanding to be "freed" and annexed by Poland.

Again, it was for Prussia's/Germany's own good

Sure it was....hence the flourishing of the Poles in Prussia.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Kaczyński is a lousy politician but MANY Poles don't have anything better to vote for (including myself)

Uuuuaaaaargh

*runs*

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

it's very similar to the situation of Sorbs - why does not Germany give Sorbs autonomy - because even where they live they are minority - the same here

Sorbs have big minority rights in Germany, the same as the danish minority in Schleswig-Holstein.
And there is no movement for independence (as far as I know).
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Not giving Śląsk authonomy is mostly due to the fact that of the region's 4 millions inhabitants only 200k or so identify themselves as Silesians.

It's about the principle...I can't see any enthusiasm or free support for a growing wish for silesian autonomy...quite the contrary, understandably.

Not to forget that the ethnic cleansing of Germans was all about that question, cementing polish rule in Silesia...

similar to how 2 million or so Poles in Germany today don't have a minority status.

They don't have minority status because they are not eligible for it. The Poles in Germany are immigrants, mostly for economical reasons.
The Germans in Silesia are native to Silesia and the borders were changed over their heads.

Rich as in economically better than the rest of Russia.

That was not that hard but no partition was as economically well off and supported than the prussian part!
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

but the pressure on Poles grew then significantly (from 1871)

It was a no-win situation...it was the time as nationalism run rampant and minorities had a hard stand in every country.

How long can a country deny a sizable minority in it's borders their independence they so much wish for.
No country is quick with giving people and land away easily...of course they clamp down on the resistance.
But it is no good for the country and the society...lot's of examples for that.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Poland under Russia was one of the richest parts of Russia.

Richer than Prussia???

Rich in what?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

....then how come that the Poles prospered and grew and expanded Gumishu?

Prussia must really have sucked with their anti-Poles policy! ;

Sorry...all political propaganda can't deny the facts. Poles lived well in Prussia, definitely better than under
Habsburg or Russian rule.

But the polish nationalists needed a common enemy to rally and organize against, in that case it was Prussia.
A lot of that old garbage is still in the books and in the minds.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
Law / PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow, Poland - Where I should report them? [56]

You are speaking of a germanic warrior in the roman army in what is now Colchester?
The same army ruling over all of the known world at one time? It can't be that that symbol just somehow made it's way onto a shield of one soldier of that widespead army which was comprised of soldiers of countless cultures and heritage?

It MUST be an germanic symbol???

When some motorbikers in California wear the Iron Cross around their neck (or their belt buckles, or their helmets) does that mean that they are Prussians???
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
Law / PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow, Poland - Where I should report them? [56]

But, its cleary also an ancient germanic symbol

No, it isn't!

...
The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (卐) form or its mirrored left-facing (卍) form. Earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India as well as Classical Antiquity. It remains widely used in Indian Religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

because it was agaist what Berlin wished for simply (Polish editor arrested; his fellow publisher searched and political materials confiscated;

Hmm...let me see how Poland reacted to nationalistic dreams of it's minorities?

And what's the difference to any country concerning it's minorities? May I remind you about the venom spit at the joke of the modern silesian organization for more autonomy???

But still no Gulags or just a bullet in the head for polish nationalists in Prussia...nope...they even could gather and have their own media...HOW HORRIBLE!

The main point is that Prussia never intended to destroy the polishness of their polish minority, they had only to follow the rules which were set for ALL prussians, not more, not less...

and then you will surely know why growing prosperity of Poles there caused anxiety in Berlin -

The point you so surely want to avoid is that there was an growing prosperity of Poles under prussian rule!
Tell me again about the mean anti-polish rule of the bastard Prussians!!!

Prussia was not perfect but it was a good, advanced country...even to it's minorities..
And most Poles had a good life...but of course, the nationalists wanted their own Poland, for them Prussia was the enemy to be fighted, regardless how good Prussia was for the Poles.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
Law / PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow, Poland - Where I should report them? [56]

The reason the Nazi party adopted the Swastika wasn't so much because it was an ancient, sanskrit symbol but because it was quite popular in the West as the German Workers party was founded 1920.

It was just fashionable in many countries that time...that's all.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_Swastika_in_the_early_20th_century

The swastika (gammadion, "fylfot") symbol became a popular symbol of luck in the Western world in the early 20th century.

Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

that large parts of Lower Silesia were inhabited by people who were not able to speak any German at all.

More like that the language of the majority was now made official language for all subjects to speak...

A country who pushes the official language of said country...not exactly rocket science!
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

How about a time witness report?

query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30C10FB3A5414728DDDAE0994D8415B818CF1D3

- growing prosperity of the Poles

- growing and expanding of the polish middle class

- polish papers

- polish nationalism organizing

- growing influence of Poles in Prussia to cause anxiety in Berlin

Tell me again how "horrible" Prussia had been to the Poles! Oppression and brutal germanizing looks different...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

....after they became prussian subjects! Nobody took away their polishness...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Since the Teutonic Knights murdered the original Prussians

...on invitation of the polish crown you mean?

The virtuous Prussians probably were Polish............

Lot's of Prussians have polish roots! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

:)

That what I say all the time...Prussia the country may have abolished, but Prussia is more of a state of mind anyhow, an attitude! That never dies...:)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

it's not very kind of you to demand of people to abandon their language simply (especially when you intend to use them as cannon fodder next)

Well, it doesn't help the Turks in Germany either to keep to their language...they suffer their whole life for it.

Prussias rules were made for all subjects living there...didn't matter if german, polish, french, jewish...one official language and compulsory military service for all. It was not perfect but one of the best for that time!

Poles flourished in Prussia...not in Austria, not in Russia, not under Nazi rule, not under Commie rule but in Prussia. Keep that in mind...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

how is that constructive/bringing numbers??oh sorry then You throw Silesia out of the blue

You brought numbers to show the claim Poland has on lost eastern territories...I did the same with the gained western territories.
Of course, where your math was met with widespread approval, my numbers were not...surprise, surprise!

did I miss sth between You two?

You have no idea! :)

Lwow is outside of Poland, we are left wtih little Krakow,

Krakow is nice too, be happy about that!

To go to war about cities and lands was what brought so much catastrophes to our peoples. It's no use....
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

I'm not sure what you want to say with that? How good had been the prospects of polish-only speaking Poles in the Habsburg empire? Do you really think that was a favour???

Or did they just don't care...no compulsory education either...hmmm...how did the polish society develop under Habsburg rule? Did they grow and prosper??? No?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

of course I mean the times of Habsburg rule of Silesia (where did I mention the austrian partition)

Well...I can't speak for the Austrians...I'm more of a Prussia-fanboy! :)

I would argue that if you told Bavarians that they owed their 'Sense of Order' to Prussians they will be pretty pissed off
not to mention some other points of your list

Well..they are Bavarians, what do you expect! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

After you booted Poles and settled Germans there,

You've got to be kidding!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Silesia

Germanic tribes were first recorded within Silesia in the 1st century.

In the Middle Ages, Silesia was divided among many independent duchies ruled by various Silesian dukes of the Piast dynasty. During this time, cultural and ethnic German influence increased due to immigrants from the German-speaking components of the Holy Roman Empire.

Silesia subsequently became a possession of the Crown of Bohemia under the Holy Roman Empire in the 14th century, and passed with that Crown to the Habsburg Monarchy in 1526. The Duchy of Crossen was inherited by Margraviate of Brandenburg in 1476 and, with the renunciation by King Ferdinand I and estates of Bohemia in 1538, it became an integral part of Brandenburg.

In 1742, most of Silesia was seized by King Frederick the Great of Prussia in the War of the Austrian Succession and subsequently made the Prussian Province of Silesia.

After World War I, parts of Silesia were transferred to the Second Polish Republic and administered as the Silesian Voivodeship. A plebiscite recorded the majority of the population of all of Upper Silesia wished to remain part of Germany.

Predominantly german for 2000 years...you were saying?