Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
camera moment!!! :)
:)
camera moment!!! :)
The guy mumbles: "THEM?!"
:)
Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
Man...you plan to destroy a good, useless discussion or what!
*I should have left for awhile already*
Matter is geography...where the tribes settled the modern Germans developed. So eastern Germans have other tribes ancestors than western Germans, southern Germans or northern Germans (broadly spoken and minus all the population movements during 2000 years).
But it had been all germanic tribes...
Even the French are half Germans (Franks)...so are northern Italians (Lombards), some Brits (Angles, Saxons, Jutes) and alot of other mishpokes. Not to mention those who stayed home, in Scandinavia.
And yes, I think I know more about my ancestors than you ;)
So shut up, this "I was here first" argument is stupid. All humans, including Cro Magnons, originated in Africa anyhow.
Man...you plan to destroy a good, useless discussion or what!
*I should have left for awhile already*
The big differnce is that you make all ancient Germanic tribes ancestors of modern Germans, which is simply not true. You should know better than me which tribes actually were the ancestors as I expect German education system to teach as much...
Matter is geography...where the tribes settled the modern Germans developed. So eastern Germans have other tribes ancestors than western Germans, southern Germans or northern Germans (broadly spoken and minus all the population movements during 2000 years).
But it had been all germanic tribes...
Even the French are half Germans (Franks)...so are northern Italians (Lombards), some Brits (Angles, Saxons, Jutes) and alot of other mishpokes. Not to mention those who stayed home, in Scandinavia.
And yes, I think I know more about my ancestors than you ;)
Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
Tomorrow....
The men were all out to sack Rome!
Heh:)
But...panicked locals??? ;)
Tomorrow....
Where's documentation of wars between native Germanic tribes and bloody Slavics in IV century?
The men were all out to sack Rome!
were participating in some 'Ritterorden" (I do not know the right English word for that), and as living in Poland they chose the Teutonic Order of course.
Heh:)
But...panicked locals??? ;)
Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples
So some germanic tribes are the ancestors of the Germans??? REALLY! I would never had thought....
I answered already...but my answer got thrown into the bin of random + a stern warning of the mod :(
b)Germanic is not not equal to German.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples
Some Germanic tribes were. Most of them weren't.
So some germanic tribes are the ancestors of the Germans??? REALLY! I would never had thought....
Ease up, Bratwurst Boy. Sometimes all of us get carried away, quite unnecessarily. You don't need to answer my question related to East Prussia; you know the history.
I answered already...but my answer got thrown into the bin of random + a stern warning of the mod :(
Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
Sure...as always...everything Germanics did was bloody conquering and everything Slavs did was wandering peacefully into empty lands...suuuuuure!
Well, if the Germanics aren't the ancestors of the Germans then what is? Please clue me in...
No, Slavs didn't leave those territories, they were conquered in rather bloody wars and then marginalised.
Sure...as always...everything Germanics did was bloody conquering and everything Slavs did was wandering peacefully into empty lands...suuuuuure!
Well, if the Germanics aren't the ancestors of the Germans then what is? Please clue me in...
Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
You are my chum and you know it! :)
You are meanies! :(
Neanderthals or Cro Magnons are not here with us to discuss...so.....
BB you're talking to a guy who owns hundreds of german postcards of Lower Silesia and openly admits it used to be german, the problem is neither Greater Poland, nor eastern Silesia have been german.
You are my chum and you know it! :)
Oh wait its because we erased all archeological sign of Germans there right?
You are meanies! :(
Archaeologists have proven that before any Indo-Europeans arrived in Central Europe there were already people living there.
Neanderthals or Cro Magnons are not here with us to discuss...so.....
Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
The mod slapped me and now I don't dare to answer anymore...
*takes helmet and leaves*
The mod slapped me and now I don't dare to answer anymore...
*takes helmet and leaves*
Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2011
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
He might love the world but surely not the Germans or other non-Slavs...
You global lovley world doesnt work..
He might love the world but surely not the Germans or other non-Slavs...
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
Poles live in Ascaugalis....you live in Breslau...Poles live in Danzig...you live on german lands in german towns.
I understand if for some that is uncomfortable..*pats Soks head*
Where had been all the slavic towns and villages at 200 A.D ???? I can't see any....only germanic ones!
Link? And again, where did Germans themselves come from?
Because the only civilisation there was slavic one? Germans vacated the place, there's not a single germanic city preserved found in the area, how is that possible?
Poles live in Ascaugalis....you live in Breslau...Poles live in Danzig...you live on german lands in german towns.
I understand if for some that is uncomfortable..*pats Soks head*
The title is incorrect however, the land is not natively Slavic but Slavs are the first people who created permanent lasting settlements and a fully developed civilisation in the region.
Where had been all the slavic towns and villages at 200 A.D ???? I can't see any....only germanic ones!
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
No it's not...it was germanic before (Rugians) and again after the Slavs left.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BCgen#History
I could say Ruegen IS natively Slavonic ;-)
No it's not...it was germanic before (Rugians) and again after the Slavs left.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BCgen#History
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
Why is what? That you came latest??? Not my fault...
And why is that?
Why is what? That you came latest??? Not my fault...
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
No it was not!
How can it be slavic "in origin" if the Slavs had been the last people to wander into central Europe, AFTER the Celts and AFTER the Germanics??? *insert slapping on forhead smiley*
No it was not!
How can it be slavic "in origin" if the Slavs had been the last people to wander into central Europe, AFTER the Celts and AFTER the Germanics??? *insert slapping on forhead smiley*
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
History / Are Polish territories natively German? [73]
That's lame Koala...you should ask that question on a german board! :)
No, he does NOT!
That's lame Koala...you should ask that question on a german board! :)
Does Bratwurst Boy mean whole Poland? ;-)
No, he does NOT!
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Back to step 4: Denying of historical findings.
Okay...now that we are back to denying of facts there is not much left to say.
Just that..Poles won't get any minority rights in Germany because they aren't one, period!
Germans in what is now Poland deserve and get full minority rights because they are one.
It was still about the question who is where native...
'night! :)
Back to step 4: Denying of historical findings.
Okay...now that we are back to denying of facts there is not much left to say.
Just that..Poles won't get any minority rights in Germany because they aren't one, period!
Germans in what is now Poland deserve and get full minority rights because they are one.
back in the 2nd century AD Poland was mainly inhabited by Germanic tribes - now Poland is inhabited by mostly Slavic population
It was still about the question who is where native...
'night! :)
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Hmm..your arguments are getting shorter and shorter? ;)
Hmm..your arguments are getting shorter and shorter? ;)
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Erm..a 1800 year old map?
Do you read any of my links at all?
you can't be sure of the asociation - what do you base this association on???
Erm..a 1800 year old map?
Do you read any of my links at all?
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
What about Ascaugalis?
So you acknowledge that Germans are native to what is now Poland but Poles are not native to Germany?
That's the question after all...
yes - I acknowledge
What about Ascaugalis?
and I ask - so what??? :)
So you acknowledge that Germans are native to what is now Poland but Poles are not native to Germany?
That's the question after all...
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Man, I gave an example already...Ascaugalis ---> Bromberg ----> Bydgosz.
I found that example especially striking as even the naming was officially reasoned full and only slavic...nothing german about it. Nobody could ever think that they are living in a 2000 year old german town.
THAT is a prime examply of polish history telling!
Thanks, but no thanks...
Man, I gave an example already...Ascaugalis ---> Bromberg ----> Bydgosz.
I found that example especially striking as even the naming was officially reasoned full and only slavic...nothing german about it. Nobody could ever think that they are living in a 2000 year old german town.
THAT is a prime examply of polish history telling!
Thanks, but no thanks...
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Right now it's still Germany pumping money and investments into Poland...so keep your pennies.
Acknowledging the german history of your "re-gained" territories would be nice though!
I won't pay you a single penny :P:P:P
Right now it's still Germany pumping money and investments into Poland...so keep your pennies.
Acknowledging the german history of your "re-gained" territories would be nice though!
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
The Sorbs have native minority rights in Germany (we call it Lausitz).
Absolutely! :)
First were the Celts in Mitteleuropa, then came the Germanics and much later came the Slavs.
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13225829
The Sorbs have native minority rights in Germany (we call it Lausitz).
Do you consider Scotts as native inhabitants of Germany? After all, they (or other Celtic tribes, which is equivalent to you) were there BEFORE Germanics.
Absolutely! :)
First were the Celts in Mitteleuropa, then came the Germanics and much later came the Slavs.
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13225829
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Tröt!
Man are you wrong...what's next, denying the map of Ptolemy? An old drunk fart who didn't know what he wrote about???
Step 4...denying historical finds
No of course, there were small settlements both celtic and germanic, not a single city or town, not even the nazis were able to find them so they changed Poznań into a german city of Posen.
Tröt!
Man are you wrong...what's next, denying the map of Ptolemy? An old drunk fart who didn't know what he wrote about???
Step 4...denying historical finds
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Really...where do you think Germans stem from...the marsians?
Step 3...play with semantics!
How predictable...
Germans =/= Germanics
And they were nonexistent on today's Polish territory in Xth century.
And they were nonexistent on today's Polish territory in Xth century.
Really...where do you think Germans stem from...the marsians?
Step 3...play with semantics!
How predictable...
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
They build alot of towns and villages...you can deny it till you are blue in the face!
You Slavs were late comer and the land was NOT empty, just a convenient lie...as most invaders do.
Germanic settlement reached till to the Vistula. We have the map to show it..what have you?
Ascaugalis was build near the Vistula after all...2000 years back!
Also yes the Slavs went into empty terrains, that Germans lived in the area doesnt mean they actually built in it, they did not, the main germanic effort was west from the Oder.
They build alot of towns and villages...you can deny it till you are blue in the face!
You Slavs were late comer and the land was NOT empty, just a convenient lie...as most invaders do.
Germanic settlement reached till to the Vistula. We have the map to show it..what have you?
Ascaugalis was build near the Vistula after all...2000 years back!
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
It's about who is native!
As in Germans were natives to that land, much later immigrating Poles into Germany are not!
I actually tire of that argument...
Why do you continue to ignore what happened after the IInd century?
It's about who is native!
As in Germans were natives to that land, much later immigrating Poles into Germany are not!
I actually tire of that argument...
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Heh:)
Next step...after one is proven wrong with denying the existence of a whole people start downtalking it....
How predictable!
Just a hint about polish history versus reality:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bydgoszcz#History
You (wiki) says:
Nothing german about it, right?
But now take another look at Ptolemy's map again:
spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-59994-2.html
He calls it "Ascaugalis" a german build and populated town. A part of it's heritage totally scratched out of the polish history and minds. Together with "Bromberg". Since 1800 years Germans lived in that town... how are they today???
Go away with your polish history...
You bet! :)
If the Poles would stop denying our heritage we would so rock together...:)
what towns? -
Heh:)
Next step...after one is proven wrong with denying the existence of a whole people start downtalking it....
How predictable!
Just a hint about polish history versus reality:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bydgoszcz#History
You (wiki) says:
...
The name Byd-gost contains archaic elements of the Proto-Slavonic root 'byd' which existed as a variant of the verb 'to raise' ( Ancient Russian vъzbydati = stimulating, Proto-Slavonic bъděti / bъd 'ǫ = no sleep, to watch[2]), and the common Slavic root Goszcz (fireplace). Some people identify the name of the town as BUDOrgis, a name from the second century which is listed next to the village Calisia on the amber route.[3]
The name Byd-gost contains archaic elements of the Proto-Slavonic root 'byd' which existed as a variant of the verb 'to raise' ( Ancient Russian vъzbydati = stimulating, Proto-Slavonic bъděti / bъd 'ǫ = no sleep, to watch[2]), and the common Slavic root Goszcz (fireplace). Some people identify the name of the town as BUDOrgis, a name from the second century which is listed next to the village Calisia on the amber route.[3]
Nothing german about it, right?
But now take another look at Ptolemy's map again:
spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-59994-2.html
He calls it "Ascaugalis" a german build and populated town. A part of it's heritage totally scratched out of the polish history and minds. Together with "Bromberg". Since 1800 years Germans lived in that town... how are they today???
Go away with your polish history...
Essentially there was a f*ckton of Poles and Germans in each others armies on all levels, there's more than a fifty german generals with polish roots, more than 10 polish generals with german roots (Orlik-Rueckermann) a third of Germany's top scoring aces had polish roots.
You bet! :)
If the Poles would stop denying our heritage we would so rock together...:)
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
What...do you want to tell me what I should say and what not????
What...do you want to tell me what I should say and what not????
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
What...do you want to tell me what I can say and what not?
Anyhow...Silesia will sort itself out again, now that the borders are open, people can move and mix freely... that also counts for the whole of Mittel Europa :)
Regardless, you shouldn't bring up that subject again.
What...do you want to tell me what I can say and what not?
Anyhow...Silesia will sort itself out again, now that the borders are open, people can move and mix freely... that also counts for the whole of Mittel Europa :)
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
Not "you" damnit....Poles...as in generalizing and stereotyping...:)
ROFL
How logical is that the slavic tribes came into an empty land that was already populated for more than 3000 years, first by Celts then by Germanics....where towns and villages had been build for fucks sake!
How logical is it to assume there was nobody left as even at today big migrations show there are always many people left and staying behind!
Your logic is pro-polish only! And yes, in that regard as in denying german presence/german heritage you follow full well in the polish propaganda foot steps.
Not "you" damnit....Poles...as in generalizing and stereotyping...:)
and how logical it is given known different historical facts (Slavs inhabiting all lands around) )
ROFL
How logical is that the slavic tribes came into an empty land that was already populated for more than 3000 years, first by Celts then by Germanics....where towns and villages had been build for fucks sake!
How logical is it to assume there was nobody left as even at today big migrations show there are always many people left and staying behind!
Your logic is pro-polish only! And yes, in that regard as in denying german presence/german heritage you follow full well in the polish propaganda foot steps.
Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]
There is no german history left in Silesia....you did well on that, congratulations!
Just...stop at that thought the next time you want to demonize Prussia again...
have you ever heard
There is no german history left in Silesia....you did well on that, congratulations!
Just...stop at that thought the next time you want to demonize Prussia again...