Real Estate / Buying a flat in Krakow; prices are still falling? [200]


oh yea they will tell you the truth lol. The property bubble prices are just gone beyond the saturation point.


There is no such thing as a stable bubble.

UK, Ireland / Are the working class in the UK now shunned in the 'new' Poland? [53]


Very well said, its crazy when people so consistently fail to see this.


But it is true to a degree, i am sick over here in Ireland listening to people driving brand new 4wd Jeeps and going on holidays twice a year and claiming that they have no money,or people on the Dole with 6 children living on a gigantic social welfare and still crying that they are on the bread-line and that the Poles are robbing the country blind. They do not know(or seem to have forgotten) what it means to be broke or to be badly off. With the (Ireland)country practically bankrupt they will soon(very soon)

see what it means to live like a lot of other countrys in europe especially Poland.
The governments need to unerstand how-ever that "they" have a duty to rule their countries(and not the indusrialist) and not just to play games of swapping cheap-labour as it is only a short term solution and it will only lead to REAL chaos in the near future.

Real Estate / The current property boom in Poland is a bubble [342]

Brendan Burgess, Founder, Ask About Money was on on RTE Pat Kenny Show 14th July
This guy(hypocrite) was on the radio on wed advising people on how to handle their major money problems in such hard times. He has just wrote a book(how to handle your money kind of thing lol) and people were ringing in, mainly all those people in the sh1t because they bought property during the bubble and now they cant pay and have not paid in months ets etc..

At the end of the show this "Guru" got a text from a viewer accusing him of encouraging the property bubble by closing down the debate on property prices on the askaboutmoney, website.

Burgess(who had huge audience) at the time of the bubble very very strongly encouraged people to join the property ladder before it got too expensive to get on. Now he has turned around to help people for money to fix what he helped create.

Anyway his answer to the critical text was basically, that the debate at the time was getting out of hand and a lot of people were using "bad language" so he closed down the debate.. Looks like we have these guys in Poland as well eh

Real Estate / Buying a flat in Krakow; prices are still falling? [200]

well if they don't sell for at least the 2006 price they may starve.

UK, Ireland / Are the working class in the UK now shunned in the 'new' Poland? [53]


In Poland its so f0cked up, you probably need a degree for these jobs, even a Masters.

Work / Wage and Salary rates in Poland [37]


yes..

Work / Wage and Salary rates in Poland [37]


Yea this is a fact, I personally know 2 teachers in Lublin and this is about what they earn.
I know several people with degrees earning less than 100 euros a week and they are not


Its simply a very badly run country and life is hard. There may me money in the country and some people driving around in fancy cars but a hell of a lot more people live on the bread-line. As for the black-economy im not sure but here in Ireland its rampant and the Dole here is is three times higher than what a Polish teacher earns.

Its funny how all the gold members on this site seem to think the average Pole is loaded. Its as if they are trying to paint a positive picture in order to attract naive property investors for their quickly de-valuing property.

Work / Wage and Salary rates in Poland [37]

Mark Beernut seems to be name the straw-men use to describe everyone who disagrees with the shype.

Work / Wage and Salary rates in Poland [37]

Oh yea this Harry guy is one of these people.

Work / Wage and Salary rates in Poland [37]


Pure tactic
Yes that is the case for sure, its all tactic to try and fool the people that all is well even though the living standard is sh1t. Even on this site people are always jumping in and claiming that Poles are making a fortune and that things are much cheaper there,when the truth couldn't be further.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]


The thing is a lot of these people just don't want to know, so they can remain focused on what their ignorance perceives as wrong.. They could easily find out but their too clued into the lives of Posh and Becks etc and which celeb got the latest tit job.

sort of like these people
metacafe.com/watch/834847/are_americans_really_that_stupid

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


Do you go on about women all the time to your friends, but not so deep down you crave for a big well hung man. If so be strong and go get that man and leave the BNP.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]


exactly.. They had to pay anual salary of 37 grand in Limrick and in Poland 7 grand..Alsa the majority of work was unskilled even a momkey could do it.


they are in poverty as well so, but its alot more common in Poland, so common that they don't even realise how bad it is. If you are on your own with that money ok but with a few mouths to feed well thats pretty bad.

I have a brother on the dole here and when he pays his rent and bills at the end of the month ,he still has about 700 euros to spend on food and beer.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]


Thats the way alot of people think here,Seanus this is not my opinion,I 100% think this is nonsense. The Irish have been emigrating constantly especially since the British caused mass genocidal Famine in 1845 onward so the Irish are hypocrtites when they cry about the so-called unwanted immigrants.

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I agree the Poles were a speck of sand in the whole Celtic Tiger crap.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]


Sensible is an under-statement that sounds like blatent poverty to me.. The funny thing is over here in Ireland im am constantly told by irish people that the Poles are living like kings now because they robbed money from the west and that they are the only country not in recession bla bla bla. They are so far removed from the actual economic situation for the average Pole in Poland.

Real Estate / Buying a flat in Krakow; prices are still falling? [200]


By contradicting the dominant view point/lie flowing out of here, IS doing something. I will not join any party because they all end up just lackies of the free market.

Real-estate is a gigantic problem in Poland that is crippling the majority, so it needs to be discussed rationally.


Thats your point, so ok im a democrat, i will accept your opinion, however my opinion is that it will keep dropping until it reflects the salary of the actual Polish people working there.


This property bubble is only five years old so how can you speak in such generalisations about the mentality of the Polish people. The people on this site who are holding back with their super inflated prices are not Polish ehhh!!

Anyhow i will sit back and watch reality evolve, not my predictions.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]


Holy sh1t it sounds like the Brady Bunch over there, is it true that starangers walk up to you on the street and offer you their wife or life savings if they think you look sad?

Real Estate / Buying a flat in Krakow; prices are still falling? [200]


Million of people survive everywhere even Mozamboque what your point?


I spoke out very loudly against the bubble in Property in my own country since it began,so does that mean i dislike my own country??

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."


who is "we" the developers??bad news buddy im talking to everyone so ......
its all shype, and I adore Poland and its people and look forward to the day it is not hijacked by developers,
I think somewhere not so very deep down inside you know people like me know that you are just a car-sales man

or car-sales woman i mean..

Real Estate / Buying a flat in Krakow; prices are still falling? [200]


For the last year practically no activity what so-ever except for the ultra niave buyers(who are getting fewer and fewer) who believe the staged hyped weekly reports that the market has bottomed out. If the property prices(prices at the moment) are bottomed out, the wages in Poland would have to had at least quadrupled in the last 5 years. The prices are based on Poles earning in the west and foreign investors etc etc..It all a load a shype.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]

Torq you should go for a job on the Polish tourist board.

Real Estate / Buying a flat in Krakow; prices are still falling? [200]

I still believe the property prices in Poland will be no different to anywhere else in the world. All bubbles burst,it is deflating at the moment but once the illusion is realised it will quickly return to Polish prices.

Real Estate / Relocating in Poland - what's the best area? [56]

I think the secondary education system in Mainland europe Poland is pretty complex compared to the one size fits all b*llsh1t we have here in Ireland and i think in Britain. I think enkidu may have a point but its a little too pointy maybe, as for


I fully agree with this point.

Real Estate / Buying a flat in Krakow; prices are still falling? [200]

This is not the time to buy. Those people whose apartments tripled in value in 4 years honestly think(believe the hype that they are rich) they will sell now for only 10 or 20 % less.. They can dream on if they think that they are not living in the same world(major world recession-depression) as the rest of us. People who tell you to buy now are either sellers or ....!!!! actually only sellers would advise that.

Real Estate / The current property boom in Poland is a bubble [342]

If property triples or doubles in price over a short period of 3 yrs..Its a bubble...In Ireland the prices and wages tripled and it is now world famous world champion bubble burster.

Wages are as sh1t as ever inPoland and property has gone through the roof so its a bubble. Simple fact

Real Estate / The current property boom in Poland is a bubble [342]

well according (wikapedia)to this they must
Over the span of years 2002-2008 real estate prices in Poland have increased drastically. Between June 2006 and June 2007 alone the average price of a square metre in Warsaw rose from 6,683 PLN (1,636 EUR) to 9,540 PLN (2,519 EUR) (over 50% rise in euro terms).[1]

According to a major Polish newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, the average monthly salary in Warsaw buys 0.26 m2, or in Kraków 0.22 m2.[2]

Same sources give rental profitability at 4% yearly. This is lower than interest rates on bank deposits (5% in Polbank etc.).[2]

In early 2007 the Polish property market began to show early signs of a property bubble; these included:

* banks increasing loan periods from 30 to 50 years to extend credit limits;
* over 1 million families already in debt, and roughly 300,000 more going in debt every year;

Real Estate / The current property boom in Poland is a bubble [342]

Its amazing how little discussion there is on this forum in relation to the massive property bubble in Poland..

buyinghousepoland.co.uk/polish-passports-visas.htm

I wonder why the"Discussion" button has not worked on the above for several months now.
I remember seen things like this before on Irish real-estate websites before the pop..

Real Estate / The current property boom in Poland is a bubble [342]

Its amazing how little discussion there is on this forum in relation to the massive property bubble in Poland..

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]


I thought the i'm racist because we are all racist point of view is a prime example of the anal personality.. Think you mixed things up buddy..Tolerance is not anal ..

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]

I think there is a lot of hot air reactionary bullsh1t talked here..People move from country to country for external reasons outside their control.. The movement of people will always happen,has always happened so deal with it. Society needs proper government not just freemarket dogs who drag in foreigners like cattle to work for buttons. There are plenty of white individuals in every government who are racist to the bone and who would let half of Nigeria into England France etc etc if they were to personally profit from it.

The Brits had a high demand for unskilled labor in the 1950s and they cried out for immigrants..American cry out for Mexicans etc etc.. The Irish and EU were delighted to expand EU so to bring in cheap labor from the former Soviet states..The fear now is that The Poles abroad cannot return home because the wages at home are so sh1t that they can only maintain their super-inflated (Polish)mortgages and rare their children by remaining in the west. Then the low wage economy of Poland will be swamped by Belarusian and Ukrainians. The Poles will then be complaining big time,even grannies will be shaving of their hair to join the impulse, reactionary ,dog chasing tail skinheads.Something needs to be done that does not include the solutions of the nazi right and the colourless soft left.

The solution will most definatly not include mentally illiterate,scumbag,soccer thugs

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]

Soccer tribalism is just the containment of the most brainless people in society..There needs to be a solution to immigration but to think that a bunch of mentally ill sexually frustrated,uneducated scumbags could be part of the solution is absolute nonsense..If an enemy came near these pussies they would **** their pance run home to their mammies.