News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

He declared war on all axis powers simultaneously after pearl harbor and a few hours after hitler declared war on the us. Most Americans didnt have much of a problem with hitler at the beginning. Going to war against Germany wasnt a popular idea due to the large german population.

War is only bad for business if its lost.

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That's the problem with western europe - anyone can come in regardless of whether hey're going to contribute to the society or not, let alone assimilate and not cause problems. You may not see that as a problem but millions of european taxpayers and stakeholders do. That's why the countries that havent taken in a bunch of turd worlders are doing well while sweden germany france and increasingly uk are racked with terror, nonstop rape, no go zones, etc. When's the last time you heard of a Muslim child sex ring being busted in Poland? Whens the last time a pole beheaded someone and yelled Chwala Bogu?

How about driving a truck into a crowd or cutting off his wife's clit? That's right, never. That's because poles arent turd world savages.

Ateast in chicago we still have free speech and dont arrest people for thought crime. Atleast here you dont get arrested for posting facts about muslims on Facebook or twitter.

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I'm sorry to hear that = (


Well you can find such articles online now namely from the sun, express, and daily mail seeing as most of these were published years back.


So you deny that a good chunk of Brits and several media outlets expressed anti-polish sentiments as Poles flooded into the country after EU ascension and after the brexit referendum? One of the main reasons why Brexit even passed is because the Brits wanted to assert more control over their immigration policies and not let more people in - including Eastern Europeans...

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-polish-family-leave-avoid-betting-card-negotiations-talks-theresa-may-a7799441.html

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

Poland's minimum wage may be lower than Germany and France, but so is the cost of living especially as it pertains to rent, utilities, food, public transport, etc. Also, by wealth I meant the wealth of the country as a whole in terms of GDP - which unlike other countries grew exponentially and even grew during the global recession. Polish GDP exceeds that of Belgium, Austria, Norway, Ireland, Denmark, Israel, Thailand, even Iran Pakistan Egypt Nigeria despite them having a far larger population, and is neck and neck with Sweden with some ranking Poland 1 ahead of Sweden, some ranking Sweden 1 ahead of Poland. A couple more years and I wouldn't be surprised if Poland breaks into the top 20 - we're already at 23/24th place.


Right and how many Christian attacks have their been around the world? How many people die each year due to Christians attacks? I can't recall a single incident where a Christian lunatic yells 'Praise Jesus!' as they behead a person, blow themselves up, drive van into cars, etc. Ditto with Buddhists, Hindus and Jews - never has a Jew said 'Praise Moses!' as he detonates a suicide vest or a Hindu saying 'Praise Shiva' as they drive a car into a crowd.

The same cannot be said of muslims chanting 'allah akbar' and killing people. The numbers of people murdered by Christian radicals and even Buddhists, Jews, and Hindus all lumped together compared with Muslims isn't even in the same ballpark. That's like comparing the size of a pool ball to the sun. The sad thing is that in most of the Islamic attacks around the world they end up killing their own fellow Muslims.

From April 1 2018 to May 1 2018 - just that 1 month alone there have been 122 Islamic attacks in 19 countries, in which 755 people were killed and 807 injured.
How many attacks did Christians perpetrate during that time in the name of religion? 1? 2? 0? Certainly not 122 in 19 countries killing 755 people...

thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30


What was that in 2012 2013 with the guy trying to blow up the Sejm and the bus and the bus a year or two ago in 2016/2017? Look at how many Islamic terror attacks there have been since 2016... let alone 2012/2013 - you had Paris, London, Brussels, Germany, the mass rapes in cologne, USA, Russia - and that's just Europe the list goes on and on... There are literally terrorist attacks every single day in Muslim countries - the same cannot be said for majority Christian countries.

Just a few days ago a muslim threatened to blow up a church in France unless the Koran was read - liveleak.com/view?t=Sf1i_1525264986

and attacks like that aren't even counted in the statistics because there were no fatalities

And just a few days before that incident, a Muslim from N Africa raped an 87 year old...
liveleak.com/view?t=u6ONt_1525266482

Naturally, MSM can't keep up with all the Islamic terror plots, rapes, etc.

Even if you had a 24 hour news channel specifically covered Islamic attacks, rapes, threats, violence, etc you'd still have a hard time keeping up with all the sh1t they do...

Fundamentalists/radical Christians (even non) and radical Muslims aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to rapes, terror, etc.

UK, Ireland / No Poles Allowed! - Latest Polonophobic Outrage Out of Britain [660]


And where did you get that idea? No one said you can't reply....

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like I said:


Again, I was replying to miroslaw's post....

Literally the first thing I wrote was:

In general Poles are well liked and respected by The British. - Miroslaw
They are now - that wasn't the case 10+ years ago. Poles were regarded by many brits as backwards and cheap labor especially as they flooded the construction trade... - DD

I believe in forgive,.... but don't forget ... so while yes I know British attitude has changed towards Poles, but I won't forget how they treated Poles very recently.

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How am I being egotistical? Again, like I said - the anti-polish sentiment has largely faded and today it is a fraction of what it was the 2 waves before it - the anti polish sentiment following EU entry when hundreds of thousands of poles flooded in and then right after the brexit vote when a significant amount of brits couldn't wait for those aforementioned people to be kicked out or at least no new ones would come. It's the British who have historically had a superiority complex - not the Poles.


Well yea, but many brits and british media just lump us with the rest of the 'east European invader' pile.

When I was travelling in London I'll never forget seeing newspapers with headlines like Polish Invaders flood UK, xx% say we should ban Eastern Europeans, Migrants given 100000L for children living in Poland, etc. so obviously those things aren't going to just disappear from memory... and as a Pole I find it quite sad considering my countrymen basically saved London from the Luftwaffe - even after their betrayal and refusal to help us during the invasion of 1939

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I posted one above from 2016

Like I said, when Poles flooded UK it was at its highest - which honestly I can kind of understand the Brits as if hundreds of thousands of people from a poorer country started flooding in I'd be pissed too because there's a lot of uncertainty - will they assimilate? will they learn English? will they work and be a net benefit to society? will they simply leech off the benefits system? even if only 1-2% of the migrants become involved in crime, when you let in a million people well that's 10k-20k new criminals you just let in.

Then it went down as the Brits saw that Poles were assimilating, taking jobs that Brits didn't want, etc. Nonetheless, there were a ton of Poles who scammed the benefits system, NHS, committed a lot of fraud, etc. After the brexit vote, the old sentiments back from 2004 and onward came back... And as such a lot of Poles left the UK. Thousands upon thousands of Poles left the UK for Poland due to uncertainty and also the Polish economy was doing much better than when many of them arrived years before.

Yes you won't see it as much anymore now in the media or amongst the more right wing types - the reason why is because they're focusing on the Muslims because there's so much to criticize them for - beheading soldiers, driving crowds into people, blowing people up, abusing and trafficking children, etc. The most they had against the Poles was that they ripped off the benefits system and committed fraud and some burglaries. But at least they weren't killing people and raping kids nor were they all out in the public demanding sharia law and setting up their own court systems.

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I've been to UK numerous times... I worked for a company that had its HQ in London and had to travel there every few months. While I can't stand London I found Newcastle and some of the smaller towns and countryside amazing.

What bothers me is that there was so much anti-Polish sentiment in the British press. Although immediately after Brexit Poles felt that they were no longer welcome. Granted it's gone down, but the main reason why is they've focused their attention on Muslims.

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Not at all, simply commenting to an another member's post. Seeing as the title of this thread is about Poles and the UK, it's relevant to write about it... Nonetheless, I am happy to see my countrymen doing well in the UK.

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Looks like Poles run the UK prisons:

This one is more recent - 2016
thetimes.co.uk/article/1-000-polish-inmates-top-list-of-jailed-foreigners-nlmnl8hc6

SQUUUAAAD!!!

Another one from 2012 -
Police have complained about an invasion of Eastern European criminals to Sussex after a Polish jail put up posters advising them: "Come to Bognor Regis".

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9339256/Polish-criminal-came-to-England-after-seeing-poster-Come-to-Bognor-Regis-poster-in-jail.html

Insp Bowman said: "Some of these individuals who are criminals in their home countries come over here and develop organised crime groups where they are making a huge amount of money.

"When they get what they think is sufficient they'll go back to their own country and build a big house.

And indeed most Poles are like that - work abroad - granted most choose legit jobs, take the savings back to PL, build a big house, retire....

youtube.com/watch?v=_yhdLsfo8_Y
UK's Polish community targeted in hate crimes - just look at the anti polish comments btw - this is why I don't feel bad at all that polish people take UK jobs, benefits and whatever else they want - **** em

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They are now - that wasn't the case 10+ years ago. Poles were regarded by many brits as backwards and cheap labor especially as they flooded the construction trade. Then as Poles started realizing how easy it is to scam the benefits system and commit fraud in the UK they got a bad rep for that.

All the time I still see UK publications talking about the 'Polish crime wave' and the huge amount of 'Polish criminals' which yes is based on fact. Nonetheless, it shows that people in the UK like to stoke fears and depict Poles as criminals.

Take this article from 2012 for example - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102895/Immigrant-crimewave-warning-Foreign-nationals-accused-QUARTER-crimes-London.html

Personally, I applaud these Poles. I look at it as karma, as reparations.


That's because British people got a taste of more and more Muslims coming in. So now, naturally, a Polish guy working in construction or factory and Polish girl working as a cleaning lady or home care and even the Poles who do commit fraud are tolerated much more than the thousands of Pakistanis that are raping and trafficking small children, not to mention those who march with signs saying UK Go To Hell, Sharia4UK, etc. Poles don't do that kind of stuff. We're not beheading soldiers, we're not blowing people up, we're not driving vans into crowds so naturally the more xenophobic Brits' focus has changed from hating Eastern Europeans to hating Muslims. We just want to be left alone to work, make our money one way or another, and retire - even if it's on UK taxpayers' dime. Many Poles even joke that their retirement plan is UK's benefits system.

And atually you'd be surprised how few British people - especially the youth - are aware of Polish contribution in WW2. That stuff simply isn't taught in schools, and even if it is it may be a sentence or two. Most British youth are retarded anyway - I remember watching BBC and a reporter was asking a remainer what the best part of the EU is and she answered 'the NHS'..... smdh.... and you think a person like this is going to be aware of the Kosciuszko squadron's contribution and how we basically saved London from the Luftwaffe? The British pilots were awful compared to the Polish mainly because of their tactics - Polish pilots were taught to fly extremely close to their target and then fire as opposed to firing from afar. That's what made the Poles so deadly. I honestly believe that if it wasn't for the Polish pilots the battle of Britain would've turned out way different - at the very least I doubt they would've repelled the Luftwaffe.


Like my cousin, a UK citizen was recently reminded 'You may be British, but you'll never be an Englishmen.'

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

For the time his ideas were good... I doubt he imagined that 60 70 years later labor force participation rates would fallen as much as they have. Back then, social security was viable as you had people working and paying taxed; you didn't have tens of millions of able bodied people refusing to get a job and living off welfare.

Now, social security is simply mathematically unsustainable. I doubt i'll get any social security once I hit 62 (if God allows me to live that long) which would be nice as that extra grand or two a month would go a lot further in Poland than US

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

It's funny how the tables have turned.... Poland was like the armpit of the Eu and Europe as a whole. Especially in the UK and Germany (France not as much as the French are quite familiar with Polish culture and history especially due to old military alliance that predate the world wars) Poles were thought of as 2nd class citizens, basically laborers and cheap workers. Kind of like the way Mexicans are thought of in the United States or the way Ukrainians are thought of in Poland.

Well now Poland is wealthy, unemployment is super low, wages are constantly rising and most importantly many conservative leaders are pointing to Poland (and to a lesser extent Hungary) as a shining example of defying the EU's multikulti Marxist agendas and praise Poland for not having a single Islamic terror attack. All over the web - facebook, youtube, twitter, etc. Germans, French, Swedes are wishing that their governments acted like Poland. Poland is seen as courageous, brave, and most importantly smart enough to know that taking in tons of unvetted migrants back in 2015/2016 would not bode well for the country's future. And indeed Poland was right. The EU constantly criticized Poland for refusing to take part in the quota scheme, which was a huge failure and even the EU leaders admit this, and now we're the ones saying 'we told you so.'

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

Yeah but the Silesian community is very small in Poland. There isn't millions of them like Bosnians, Serbs, Croats, etc in Yugoslavia. There's several hundred thousand of them and in general they're well integrated in the overall Polish community. Only a few towns/small cities have a sizeable Silesian population and even there they're still a minority, significant minority but still minority. There is a very very small group of Silesian seperatists but they don't have much support from the overall Silesian community. Nonetheless, many Poles do believe that Germany does support the Silesians and incites them against Poland. You won't see a separate Silesian state within Poland though anytime soon.

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

There's a good chance it won't atleast not poland since they've been negotiating with the eu for sometime. Plus theyre mainly concerned about the judiciary stuff. Theyve long given up on their threats of fining poland 2 bil for not taking in migrants and abiding by the failed quota system which everyone in eu even the left agrees was a failure. As long as poland isnt turning into germany, France sweden etc where we have no go zones, nonstop rape, islamic terror and billions of our tax zloty are used to support migrants because they don't feel like working let the eu do whatever.

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

Perhaps.. either that or it will strengthen their constituents even more since they will be angered that the eu is sanctioning an entire country, an entire people because it disagrees with the campaign promises of a democratically elected eader/party. Even if pis or fidesz lose say 10% even 20% ratings theyre still above the opposition. Fidesz controls a majority in parliament - the rest is split among 6 parties. Same with pis even if say pis support was halved which is highly unlikely at this point itd still be higher than pos. According to mar 2018 CBOS, still 5% above po. Po would need to more than triple its support to be just equal to pis.

Only time will tell really..

Pls 44% PO 14%
tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/poparcie-dla-pis-rosnie-sondaz-cbos,821021.html

Even Wyborcza saying the same - for our non polish speakers title says ' pis has an enormous advantage, po going down'

wyborcza.pl/7,75398,23123253,pis-z-olbrzymia-przewaga-po-w-dol-sondaz-cbos.html

Honestly with all the abortion, Israel, etc stuff going on I thought pis ratings would fall, but they actually went up. A few months back CBOS stated they were like 40 42%

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

EU must walk a tight rope between enforcing its far left marxist agenda and alienating more people causing the populist rights ranks to swell even more. The eu only likes democratic elections when their eurocrat candidates win. But God forbid a nationalist candidate wins. Then they sanction the country

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Oh please like the Washington compost isn't going to write a biased response on this. They are funded by leftist jeff bezos. I could post a link that shows the opposite - the74million.org/article/exclusive-data-shows-charter-school-students-graduating-college-at-three-to-five-times-national-average

Also I'm talking specifically about Chicago/Illinois specifically - not the entire country. In other areas the situation is different. Let's say your a working class family with 2 kids and you want to send them to the best high school around. Well for 2 kids at $15k-$20k+ EACH an elite private school is out of the question for many, perhaps most, families living in Chicago - especially without any aid. Even if you and your wife make 100k together, after taxes you're left with 75k, 70k, then take out mortage/rent say 25k a year (roughly 2k a month). now you're at 45k 50k leftover for the year for a family of 4 - and that's after just income taxes and rent/mortage.

If you want to send both kids to a private school even on a household gross income of 100k you'll have to feed the whole family with ramen noodles and domino's pizza because that's about all you'll be able to afford after paying tuition for two kids and your rent/mortgage. And some parents do that - there was a news segment of one guy who would collect cans to recycle after work to raise extra money for his kids education. And I'm not even adding bills, insurance, gas, food, property taxes if homeowner, health insurance, etc. And most Chicago families aren't bringing in 100k+ a year i believe the average household income is around 55-60k a year or something with some areas having average incomes as low as 20k.

So that leaves you with 2 options (unless fo course you're able to move specifically for belonging to a good school district - which some low income parents are smart enough to do... unfortunately many households don't care about their child's education. in fact, they purposely even pop out more ghetto muffins to get a bigger welfare check, a larger section 8 apartment, etc.

I'm not saying charter schools are superior to every public school. No not at all. If say i lived in lake Geneva Wisconsin or the surrounding areas i wouldn't consider any option but to send my kid to the local public school because it has very high standards. In Chicago that is not the case - especially inner city, the south side, and west side. Those public schools are God awful and the parents who are interested in their child's education know that. And that's why many of them line up bright an early on enrollment day for the chance to get their kids into a charter school because they know those kids will have a statistically higher chance of graduating and attending college afterwards.

Each state is different too. Chicago has terrible public schools yet go an hour north in Wisconsin and they're wonderful - especially in the small towns, rural areas, and the villages around Lake Geneva was a resort town. In that case there likely wouldn't be any difference between a charter and the local public school. In fact the charter might even be worse since the public school in the lake Geneva district is considered to be a great public school and the average test scores of the students are high.

From center left NPR:
Like previous studies, the one from CREDO concluded that kids in most charter schools are doing worse or no better than students in traditional public schools. About a third, though, are doing better. And that's a big jump from four years ago. The gains among blacks, Latinos and kids whose first language is not English have been impressive and surprising, says CREDO Director Margaret Raymond.

"The fact that we can show that significantly disadvantaged groups of students are doing substantially better in charter school in reading and math, that's very exciting," she says.

More and more charter school students are doing better, Raymond says, because they're getting anywhere from three to 10 extra weeks of instruction compared to their public school counterparts.

"The average charter school student in the United States is benefiting from additional days of learning," she says, "compared to where they were four years ago and compared to traditional public schools they otherwise would've attended.

None of these findings were in dispute. But when Jeanne Allen looked at the study, it upset her.
Nonetheless:
"The way that CREDO has manipulated data and made conclusions about policy based on that data is absolutely 'un-credible,' " she says.

npr.org/2013/07/16/201109021/the-charter-school-vs-public-school-debate-continues

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@delphiandomine

Yeah a lot of people are against teaching religion in school and i understand because most think that a school will only focus on 1 religion and try to indoctrinate their kid and in some cases, especially religious grade schools like catholic schools or the jewish yeshivas yes that's absolutely true. But those kind of schools tend to cater to more religious people. You won't find a kid from a secular or Lutheran or hindu family clamoring to get their son into the local yeshiva. In high school though (i went only 1 year to a private high school rest were public) and in college it was different. While yes, we did spend time learning about the old testament but that was to tie it to Christianity, Judaism, and islam. Most of what we learned was about other religions as there was a fairly accurate assumption that most the kids already knew a lot about Christianity but little about other religions. Just about all liberal arts college require students to take some philosophy and theology classes regardless of major to make them more well rounded. Granted they were basically 101 201 level so most of the info you could get from a Wikipedia article but still it was worth learning. For example, i probably would've never known that Muslims revere Jesus and believe of Mary as a virgin had it not been for those lessons or read parts of the various hindu texts like the rig veda


Then you'd have to make all levels of education free all over the world. The vast majority of people aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and a decade in school if they're not going to end up with a six figure income at the end of the day. And even then you're going to be hard pressed to fill such roles as the amount of people who want to become say a stomach surgeon is going to be limited when there isn't the financial incentives. You wouldn't believe how many educated Poles left for the US, UK, Germany, etc during the PRL years to take a blue collar job. There's people who were dentists, geologists, philosophy professors back in the PRL who left to become painters or carpenters in the US because they saw a more financially secure future. This is now why there were even those recent strikes with nurses and doctors in the state funded hospitals and clinics in Poland. Why would someone spend all those years and all that money studying just to make like $1,000-$1,500 a month as a medical professional in a government hospital? They do private practice more and more now because there simply isn't enough financial reward to be a nurse or doctor at a state facility.

Greed for money isn't good - i agree. I don't think that being ambitious and striving to have a financially secure future for yourself and your family is a bad thing though. Naturally like with everything people take it too far. Also, that's not the only thing people have a greed for - it could be for knowledge, for a woman (lust), to get in better shape, etc. I think of greed more as an extreme focus or devotion to something.

Our society is greedy, both Polish and US, seeing as they're fully globalized western societies. Unfortunately, much of the globalized (which is really just American corporatism being spread around) societies have taken the negative aspects and you see this in Poland now too. People are not as keen to save money - especially the younger generations, there is more impulse shopping (thankfully it's still pretty limited, but nonetheless increasing a bit), the personal small loan industry has rapidly expanded and the rates are even higher than in the US, and there's just a big push to buy buy buy. Poles are very careful though before spending some money. You'll go to one of the big malls on the weekends and you'll see tons and tons of shoppers but you'll notice that many (perhaps most) aren't carrying shopping bags and are just window shopping or will buy like 1 thing only. Unlike the US, you won't see like a group of girls each with like 2 shopping bags on each arm all from different stores. People will buy like 1 pair of shoes or a shirt and that's it. There isn't that like 'shopping spree' mentality. Nonetheless, Poles appreciate luxury brands and they cost the same, if not more due to VAT and the smaller market, than in the US.


Except no one is doing that. There isn't a single charter school (at least in my city or state) that is religious. Not one. And as far as 'low quality education' charter schools consistently outperform public schools - that is fact.

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Depends on the person. For some people they don't have 'enough' whether it's money, sex, alcohol, food whatever it may be. There's no limit for such persons. For me 'enough' would be whatever the sum is of being able to retire in a nice home in Poland with 2 or 3 cars and sexy girlfriends and not having to worry that my money will run out plus enough to leave a good sum for my kids to give them a boost in life. Hence, 'enough' for me would be probably 4-5 million. I wouldn't really need more.


That's a tired old boring debate by the same people who have nothing better to do than protest kids' saying the pledge of allegiance or using the words 'under God' etc. And this is about the state not wanted to allow a church to open a charter school even though the owner stated he wouldn't teach any religious classes. Charter schools are non denominational by design. And they're far better than any local alternative that's for sure. If you didn't have money for a private school and wanted your kids to get a half decent education, you'd be one of the parents clamoring to get their kids a spot. Unless of course you don't care about your child's education, which many parents do not, then you wouldn't care if they end up a sh1tty public school. Charter schools aren't perfect, but they're a far better alternative than public schools - especially in a place like Chicago, and kids who go there score far far higher on standardized tests than kids from public schools.

Besides, even if religion or theology is taught so what? It helps make a person more well rounded. I went to Jesuit university and each student had to take i believe 2 or even 3 theology classes. and no they didn't involve memorizing Christian prayers. in fact it taught more about other religions than Christianity. consider most people in the world are believers of some sorts it's good to have an idea of what they believe in, understand the theology behind certain practices, how it influences culture, etc.

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Delph if you want to teach in Chicago public schools, these are the kind of people you'll have to teach - youtube.com/watch?v=eK_DuVNPli4

Look on the bright side though - 2-3 years at 50-60k a year, then move to the burbs to get 100k+ and a fat retirement. just don't get shot in your first few years and be conscious of what colors and brands you wear in certain areas...


A high salary doesn't mean much. Even if you're making 100k a year, you're left with 60-70k after taxes which is a totally average lifestyle especially in a major city.

poor, middle class, and rich all have 1 thing in common - they all want more.... so there really isn't much difference in that aspect..

I don't make an astronomical salary from my main day job yet I have a higher net worth than most doctors living next to me making double. why? because I invest my money and don't live beyond my means. I have used cars that i got super cheap and even my sunday ride will never lose value because its an antique so it appreciates. i probably have more money in jewelry than cars and all of it is worth more now than what i paid for it. I still advert on craigslist buying peoples jewelry because desperate people sell stuff for a fraction of its worth and its an easy profit for me. I pay myself first and foremost in the form of investments. as soon as I get a check whether its from work, a dividend payment, a remodeling project I finished, residuals from old contracts i sold, bitcoin, or whatever I reinvest it. this allows me to pay a smaller tax rate and keep more of my money. also, if say I lost my day job or say one of my sources of revenue disappeared id still have others.

also not everyone is like that. yes I want a speed boat, but I don't need an ocean going yacht. I want to buy a small prop plane once I near retirement, no need for a learjet. if I wanted to I could get a mortgage and move into a $2 mil home tomorrow. But I'm not going to do that because it's a waste of money and i'm not going to make a bank rich just for borrowing me money. Nor do I aspire to buy a 6,000 sq ft 2 mil home because I hate stairs, it costs a fortune to heat the place, not to mention paying 30k a year in taxes is just throwing money away. Plus the echo is annoying asf especially when you're on the phone. In fact right now i'm selling my house to downsize even though I'm financially better off than when I purchased it.

Honestly I could lose everything I have right now and it wouldn't really matter to me. My knowledge, education and experience is priceless. With what I know I'd be able to rebuild everything so it wouldn't really matter. And most successful entrepreneurs and business people feel the same way. Of course they don't 'want' to lose everything and will protect - but should it happen they're not going to cry over it and shoot themselves because they failed - no they start over again and learn from their **** ups.


If a charter school ***** up they get their charter revoked. and no, charter schools are non-denominational. unlike say a catholic high school, there's no crosses hanging in the classrooms, no mandatory church attendance on Christian holidays, etc. they function much the same way as a public school but are far more strict. the graduation rates for almost every charter school is damn near close to 100% while for CPS - namely the ones in the inner city you have 1/3 kids dropping out or constantly truant. I went to a public school in Chicago - trust me any system is superior to them. I could probably run a superior school in my living room for a few hours a week and i'd get those kids to score higher on their ACT/SAT than the CPS average

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So there's 3 types of schools in the US for grade/high school. Public, private (Catholic, Lutheran, nondenominational but still private meaning you have to pay to go there, various elite academies that also have dorms for international students, etc), and charter which is like a mix of pulic and private - it's free but academically rigorous, the way kids are taught, the way teachers are held accountable resembles more of a private school. Charter schools are like the hot new thing now because they are public, meaning they are free, but they tend to be far more academically rigorous than public schools. Charter schools are non religious and although they are public the teachers generally don't belong to a union so you don't have the political bullshit as with public schools where whenever it comes time to renew the teaching contract the teachers all leave and the kids sit at home because no one wants to teach them. The teachers at charter schools are also far more scrutinized and can easily be fired, unlike public schools in which a teacher can do some truly egregious things and still not be fired. A teacher can come in drunk, beat a student, or not show up to work for a week and not even call in and they won't be fired. Short of like raping a kid you won't be let go in a public school. It's pretty bad... If you're a teacher that truly loves your profession and actually wants to teach people because you like the job than charter schools are the best - imo even better than many private schools. They're especially great for families who can't afford a private school and there's often a lottery system to get into them because of the demand. Unfortunately though it's luck of the draw so while you can have a really bright young kid that wants to learn you're number may not be drawn and hence that kid will end up going to a public school full of gangs, teachers who don't care, and shootings that happen literally right outside the school. Many charter schools score even higher than much of the private ones despite being open to everyone (although again it's a lottery system due to the demand) and certainly better than every public school with the exception of perhaps 1 or 2 public high schools that require an entrance test to get in. However, for teachers that simply look at their jobs as an easy career to make decent money and have a great early retirement and fat pension than charter schools are not where you want to be.


There's nothing wrong with greed it's when it takes over your life that it's a problem. There's a difference between working to provide for your family and spending time with them and being a workaholic telling yourself that you're doing a good thing by being a provider yet your wife never sees her husband and your kids never see their dad - that's a bad thing.

You realize though that it's media that promotes most of this stuff - especially MTV, garbage shows about the Kardashians, social media, etc. Everyone can't be young, rich, and famous but it's drilled into our minds that what we should be. Even more so now we're told that our religion, our customs, our nationalities are all social constructs and hence totally meaningless. It's implied that even our families aren't all that important.

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Perhaps not 'status' overall, but according to the definition of 'socioeconomic status' yes, more money relative to the person next to you equals a higher socioeconomic status.

One of the reasons why Illinois is doing so poorly is due to these high salaries and even more so pensions. but the democrats will never change the system. in fact it's quite the opposite - they regularly threatened to not come in to work and refuse to teach the children until they get a raise, earlier retirement, etc. that's been ruining Illinois for decades yet the democrats refuse to budge on this and only wish to make it worse. that's why they're fighting the entrance of charter schools because they'd be a huge competitor and they don't have to follow all the political b.s. surrounding teacher salaries and pensions.

I'm not saying a teacher shouldn't get compensated fairly - far from it. But for teachers to refuse to teach their class until their salary is bumped up from 100k, which already puts them in the top quintile, to 120k is just ridiculous. That teacher clearly cares more about personal greed than the welfare of their students and should be sacked immediately. Yet that never happens. There's teachers who have beat students, said racist ****, been drunk/high on the job and yet they still won't ever get fired.

[quote=TheOther]They are talking about administrative positions, not teachers.@ TheOther[/quote
It's the same earnings for teachers....

this compares lake forest (same suburb as article above) to the rest of Illinois - these are a bit out of date as the average salary is no longer 100k, 107k but closer to 120k... regardless just about every north shore suburban teacher is bringing in six figures

illinoisreportcard.com/school.aspx?source=teachers&source2=teachersalary&Schoolid=340491150160001

article about the strike
illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2012/09/lake-forest-teacher-salaries-average-106-k-they-still-strike.html

According to an article published in the Chicago Tribune today (Sept. 12) by Lisa Black and John Keilman, the average base salary of the teacher at LFHS is $106,500, compared with a statewide average of about $65,000

chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-teachers-strike-suburbs-20120912,0,3276944.story

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Well then read this one about lake forest which is one of the more pricey north shore suburbs.
patch.com/illinois/lakeforest/bp--22003-per-student-feeds-lake-forest-highs-insatiad2c175cc5a

Campus Administrative Office, starting with "Superintendent" Michael Simeck, who commands a starting base salary of $250,000 a year, down substantially from that of his predecessor Harry Griffith, who was paid an astounding salary of $362,339

For administrators, LFHS has a "Principal" ($195,817), an "Assistant Principal" ($182,091), a "Director of Personnel and Instruction" ($112,020), and an "Athletic Director" ($141,862).
Teachers make on average $120k with tenured (15 20+ years experience) make $150k+ with some even getting to the magic 200k figure. They also have an amazing retirement - they retire around like 55 or 60 or something (not sure the exact age) and continue to receive basically the same exact salary as when they were a teacher. Also, if a person has had numerous positions - say they started out as a teacher, then became a principal, then a superintendent they collect a pension from all 3 positions - not just their last one. This is also the same for police, fire, university teachers all over Illinois. Even people who work in the courts like a clerk may only make $40k a year but they get to retire at 55 60 and they get an $70 $80k+ a year pension.

You can also read about the recent strike they had to raise the average wage from 100k a year to 120k. And no most of them have far less experience. Only the tenured ones have 15-20+ years experience. My biology teacher for example only had like 2-3 years teaching experience and only a bachelor's. The vast majority of the teachers however do hold atleast a masters. It is very common for a teacher to work their first 2-3-4 years in Chicago because they'll get a job right away and then move to the suburbs once they have that experience because the salaries are almost double and you don't have stupid ghetto kids that refuse to learn and prefer to have fist fights and stab each other with pens and pencils. Not to mention the regular shootings occurring after school... I remember when I lived in the city and went to school there there would literally be a guy i think the p.e. teacher l telling the kids 'hurry up now - go home, you don't want to stay around and get shot' lol no bs dude


Yet that Chinese person probably gladly leave his job and come to the US if given the opportunity. Go to any college campus in the US and you'll be surprised how many Asian, especially Chinese kids their are. Actually my new business partner who I'm working with on a brand new venture just came from China like 5

years ago and is doing whatever he can to bring the rest of his family here.


Well yes - that's the whole definition of 'socioeconomic'....

Socioeconomic status (SES) is an economic and sociological combined total measure of a person's work experience and of an individual's or family's economic and social position in relation to others, based on income, education, and occupation.

Therefore, by definition, if you have a higher income/more money you have a higher socioeconomic status than a person with a lower income/less money...

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Because it establishes your pecking order in society; your socioeconomic status...


Wages don't matter in any country unless you're at the top 1% (perhaps even .1%). Unless you're earning like $150, 200k+ a year your salary doesn't matter and even then it's not really all that much because due to globalization costs for housing, cars, gasoline, electronics, luxury goods, etc are all roughly the same. Whether you're making 15 20k zloty a month in Poland or $100k a year in the US you're still a slave unless you have investments. The problem is that people, including sadly now Poles as well, save less and less and live beyond their means. They live for the moment without thinking about the future. Just look at the dwindling home ownership rates. Most people in the world, Americans and Poles included, are one sickness, one emergency away from loosing everything because they don't have any investments, any money saved. People need to learn to have multiple sources of income - not just their day job. Whether I'm laying in bed or watching tv or even typing on PF i'm making money from several different sources and I hope to teach my generation and the youngins' to do the same. People think they're going to be comfortable just because they and their spouse are bringing in $100k+ a year. Yet as soon as something happens - one of them gets sick, loses their job, etc their dream comes crashing and before long they're no longer homeowners and now have to rent a crumby overpriced apartment...


In my suburb absolutely. Look up average teacher salaries in suburbs like lake bluff, lake forest, highland park, etc. I would know - I went there to high school. Actually they protested a few years back because the average salary was only around 100k so they bumped it up to 120k. Public schools in wealthy white suburbs pay basically double what they do in CPS. The superintendent of our high school makes $250k a years but that requires far more exerpeicne than a teacher. Most teachers will teach in Chicago for 3-4 years then move to the suburbs because the salary is way higher and they don't have to deal with ghetto idiot kids. Admins are paid $150k+

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That's not totally truw though lyzko. English teachers in gulf countries can easily make 100k plus the tax rate is only 10%. Korea japan and china pay well too. Theres a few elite schools out in russia kazakhstan and a few c asian countries where a teacher makes 80k plus. Theyll save almost all that money as their food and rent is basically paid for. It's a great job for a young person who wants to take off a year to replenish their savings account.

In my suburb teachers average salary is 120k at the local public school. You can live an upper middle class existence but unfortunately in Europe its different teachers dont get paid their worth esp in poland... such is poland though where uneducated coal miners are paid more than doctors and professors.

I actually hope to become a teacher later in life as I get closer to retirement/semi retirement. I want to teach business, economics, trading, etc. If i can get even 1 kid to be interested and use what I taught him or her and end up with enough money where they and their spouses, kids, family, etc can be financially secure ill feel I have contributed back at least something

Real Estate / Looking for a reputable Lodz Estate Agent & Solicitor [8]

Id be skepitcal of every single developer and real estate company in poland and there's tens of thousands of them. You likely won't find any info unless it's something they want you to find - namely a glossy website and good reviews of which many are probably written by staff. You need someone who is familiar with construction and the polish real estate market and All its crazy laws so you aren't left high and dry. This is coming from a pl citizen with property in pl btw.... dont trust any sp zoo developer etc thats my advice to you

If you're buying a condo in a high rise like say skytower you should be fine but still theres plenty of horror stories of people having tons money stolen from them, paying outrageous fees, problems receiving the title, etc.

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

Crow that's already occurring. Germany regularly incites silesians against poles and polish government.
Nonetheless poland is homogenous and in that lies our strength. The eu despises that and wants to change it. Classic divide and conquer. Well like in the past, the poles will end up overcoming as we always have.

One Hungarian city's 'city of culture was cancelled because it wasnt diverse enough rofl. For the eu diverse basically means 'less white christians.' Well theyll have a hard time doing that to fort poland. Thankfully our population is united against refusing migrants from.me and africa. Other europeans and migrants who actually contribute esp from India China Korea etc are of course welcome

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]

All eu can do is threaten Poland with eu funds. That's it. Poland will still be the same regardless - a safe space for white christian hetero poles. There will be no islamic terror, no no go zones, no sharia patrols, no hordes of muslims raping and pillaging. Poles will compromise with eu up to a point. But once the eu pushes too far itll only anger poles. The eu doesnt even realize how much it offends poles. For example eurocrats called the independence day celebrations a march of 60k neo nazis. Thay was deeply offensive to poles who were occupied by nazis and who themselves or their families were put into camps. It only makes the poles support populism and nationalism more and the eu knows that. Thays why they have to walk a tight rope between enforcing eu diktates while not overly upsetting poles so that nationalist populist parties get even more support. Poles and hungarians are fighting the good fight for the independence and sovereignty and now austria, czechy, slovakia, Italy, even some germans are looking more towards populist parties. Most poles dont wish to leave the eu but if the eu keeps pushing poland and its citizens into a corner the opinions will change. There are several red lines and the eu is aware of that. The migrant issue was one of those red lines hence why eu stopped pushed poland to take them in. They know the quota system was an abysmal failure anyway as a mere fraction was relocated. Theyve long given up on the billion eu fine they threatened a year or two ago. Now theyre attacking the campaign promises of pis to reform the judiciary and courts. Theyll always find something to criticize in countries that dont toe the socialist multikulti eurocrat line.