jon357
31 Aug 2017
Off-Topic / Help my Cygan Warszawski series take off [4]
Good for you. How to find them on Youtube?
I just uploaded three vids I am trying to make into a hit
Good for you. How to find them on Youtube?
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Travel / Winter clothing for Poland (Gdansk) [11]
The shopping malls round Gdansk are pretty good. A lot of stores you'll recognise, plus some specific to Europe that you should definitely visit.
I wouldn't bother paying extra to bring heavy clothes in your baggage; clothes aren't expensive in Poland, and due to the weather they have a great selection of winter clothes.
Massimo Dutti is a good chain (part of the Inditex Group) for decent quality clothes - they're opening a small number of stores in the American market at the moment but have no plans to go countrywide there due to logistics and brand dilution. In Poland, every large city has one now. There's also Tatuum (from the Baltics, I think) which has shops in Polish malls. Some very good stuff. Peek & Cloppenberg have all the big brands, Armani, Hugo Boss, Versace, Barbour). Most malls have a Timberland shop now as well.
For cheaper shopping, some people like Reserved. There's also H&M, C&A and all the usual suspects.
s it economical to buy new after arriving in Gdansk?
The shopping malls round Gdansk are pretty good. A lot of stores you'll recognise, plus some specific to Europe that you should definitely visit.
I wouldn't bother paying extra to bring heavy clothes in your baggage; clothes aren't expensive in Poland, and due to the weather they have a great selection of winter clothes.
higher end
Massimo Dutti is a good chain (part of the Inditex Group) for decent quality clothes - they're opening a small number of stores in the American market at the moment but have no plans to go countrywide there due to logistics and brand dilution. In Poland, every large city has one now. There's also Tatuum (from the Baltics, I think) which has shops in Polish malls. Some very good stuff. Peek & Cloppenberg have all the big brands, Armani, Hugo Boss, Versace, Barbour). Most malls have a Timberland shop now as well.
For cheaper shopping, some people like Reserved. There's also H&M, C&A and all the usual suspects.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Language / What are escorts called in Poland? [25]
I have, generally though not only by older people.
That translates as slag or slapper. Both of which can and are of course used to refer to wh0res, however mostly aren't.
And lokalówka for one who works a bar.
I've hardly ever heard kurwa actually used to refer to real prostitutes,
I have, generally though not only by older people.
Dziwka
That translates as slag or slapper. Both of which can and are of course used to refer to wh0res, however mostly aren't.
tirówka
And lokalówka for one who works a bar.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Language / Where did you start or the best techniques for learning Polish. [85]
Of course - different people learn in different ways, different contexts and for different reasons.
It's still considered bad manners.
You're from England, aren't you, Dolno?
Length of stay abroad isn't always the key to speaking another language accurately, not to mention fluently!
Of course - different people learn in different ways, different contexts and for different reasons.
Americans particularly are often loathe to correct foreigners's English. The Brits are more proscriptive in my experience.
It's still considered bad manners.
Your english is probably on par with mine
You're from England, aren't you, Dolno?
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Law / My Poland born father served in a foreign army - Polish citizenship questions [76]
Of course - this is the whole point. Some people just want to have their cake and eat it. Why hand out citizenship to people thousands of miles away whose ancestors left the country for good.
Much as people who claim to be of Polish descent are now: all they need to do is move here, keep their noses clean and their taxes paid for a couple of years and they get Polish citizenship
Of course - this is the whole point. Some people just want to have their cake and eat it. Why hand out citizenship to people thousands of miles away whose ancestors left the country for good.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
jon357
30 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
To this forum and trhis section of the forum, his countries of origin and residence are relevant. Even very.
In America it's gel fuel through a sock. In Poland, there's something with hyper-concentrated tea that people in gaol and occasionally homeless make. As far as I know it's a stimulant so less of a problem driving.
This is a related issue, long distance lorry drivers coming through Poland, often as far as Britain with clocked tachs and staying awake by using speed. They usually originate in Russia or the Baltics and there have been accidents in both Poland and the UK due to this. Highly illegal, however the police can't check every lorry.
I know a lorry driver in Poland who drinks this. The category of his driving licence means he's unlikely to be doing international routes however it is still dangerous. One slip and we have a tragedy like this - 8 innocent people dead and the driver's life destroyed.
Either his country of origin is relevant or is not relevant. You cannot have it both ways.
To this forum and trhis section of the forum, his countries of origin and residence are relevant. Even very.
warmed boot polish through toast and drank it.
In America it's gel fuel through a sock. In Poland, there's something with hyper-concentrated tea that people in gaol and occasionally homeless make. As far as I know it's a stimulant so less of a problem driving.
This is a related issue, long distance lorry drivers coming through Poland, often as far as Britain with clocked tachs and staying awake by using speed. They usually originate in Russia or the Baltics and there have been accidents in both Poland and the UK due to this. Highly illegal, however the police can't check every lorry.
bimber
I know a lorry driver in Poland who drinks this. The category of his driving licence means he's unlikely to be doing international routes however it is still dangerous. One slip and we have a tragedy like this - 8 innocent people dead and the driver's life destroyed.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Language / What are escorts called in Poland? [25]
That sentence doesn't make sense.
And the term is prostytutki = prostitutes.
Call it what you like, the human misery is the same.
people the do not use a less derogatory work
That sentence doesn't make sense.
And the term is prostytutki = prostitutes.
Call it what you like, the human misery is the same.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
There are some at the bottom end of Zoliborz - mostly selling bimber and homebrew.
This is a good thing. The generation that made high quality bimber is dying off now. The good stuff was always a tiny fraction of it, most of it toxically strong and contaminated with traces of methanol.
There is still a meths drinking culture, though also forunately rare.
usually out of apartments people were living in
There are some at the bottom end of Zoliborz - mostly selling bimber and homebrew.
Including a lot of bimber, which is something that there is mercifully much less of nowadays.
This is a good thing. The generation that made high quality bimber is dying off now. The good stuff was always a tiny fraction of it, most of it toxically strong and contaminated with traces of methanol.
There is still a meths drinking culture, though also forunately rare.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
These places still exist. Fortunately those who drink like that rarely get near a vehicle (except the back of an ambulance or a Black Maria).
The numbers of teen smokers have fallen a lot. The profile of a typical smoher (dull, middle aged, constantly coughing) may have something to do with it.
meliny from the PRL
These places still exist. Fortunately those who drink like that rarely get near a vehicle (except the back of an ambulance or a Black Maria).
want to stop teen smoking? get the most boring and respectable people
The numbers of teen smokers have fallen a lot. The profile of a typical smoher (dull, middle aged, constantly coughing) may have something to do with it.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Language / What are escorts called in Poland? [25]
See above. The Polish word is prostytutki.
There's also kurwy = wh0res.
Men who go with them are called frajerzy = losers.
omen that sell sex
See above. The Polish word is prostytutki.
There's also kurwy = wh0res.
Men who go with them are called frajerzy = losers.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Language / What are escorts called in Poland? [25]
No, we call them prostitutes. Miserable and usually addicted fallen women, selling quick and unfulfilling sex to losers.
In Poland they're called prostitutes too: 'prostytutki'.
In the UK, we don't use the phrase "call mostly as". It isn't correct or even half-correct English.
In the UK we call prostitutes mostly as "escorts
No, we call them prostitutes. Miserable and usually addicted fallen women, selling quick and unfulfilling sex to losers.
In Poland they're called prostitutes too: 'prostytutki'.
In the UK we call prostitutes mostly as
In the UK, we don't use the phrase "call mostly as". It isn't correct or even half-correct English.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
Yes they are. Even very fair.
Crude and unsavoury trolling. Nothing else.
It's part of the alcohol culture there. I never believe statistics comparing alcohol consumption in the two countries - it seems to be far more common in PL. Drunks in the street, people drinking neat vodka, daytime drinkers, adverts for drying out cures - and of course the drunk driving.
24 hour alcohol shops are certianly part of the problem. A worse part is petrol stations that sell it, and the huge number of beer adverts on TV.
When a group of 8 people gets killed by a drunken lorry driver from that environmnent, it's time to reassess the role of alcohol in society.
Statistics from the European Court of Human Rights don't support y
Yes they are. Even very fair.
That seems to be a recurring problem with Biegger's posts, doesn't it?
Crude and unsavoury trolling. Nothing else.
The chances of dying from an alcohol related illness are far higher in Poland than the UK.
It's part of the alcohol culture there. I never believe statistics comparing alcohol consumption in the two countries - it seems to be far more common in PL. Drunks in the street, people drinking neat vodka, daytime drinkers, adverts for drying out cures - and of course the drunk driving.
24 hour alcohol shops are certianly part of the problem. A worse part is petrol stations that sell it, and the huge number of beer adverts on TV.
When a group of 8 people gets killed by a drunken lorry driver from that environmnent, it's time to reassess the role of alcohol in society.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
Language / Where did you start or the best techniques for learning Polish. [85]
Not professional teachers, one would hope.
Yes, this is the same for all languages. You should aim to make a hundred mistakes a day.
This is good advice.
Native speakers make mistakes, too. Some find it hard to see the difference between 'your' and 'you're', 'może' and 'morze' etc
Not professional teachers, one would hope.
if you want to learn Polish, you need to be dilligent and patient. Don't get discouraged when you make a mistake. They're part of the learning process.
Yes, this is the same for all languages. You should aim to make a hundred mistakes a day.
Read a lot. Watch films in Polish
This is good advice.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
Trials are fair in Europe. If you ever visit, you can watch one.
Yes. You are doing this as usual. 8 people have died, a driver is facing decades in prison, and all you can do is write about other posters!
Without one word of compassion for the victims or condemnation of the homicidal lorry driver.
No it won't.
Trials are fair in Europe. If you ever visit, you can watch one.
trolling
Yes. You are doing this as usual. 8 people have died, a driver is facing decades in prison, and all you can do is write about other posters!
Without one word of compassion for the victims or condemnation of the homicidal lorry driver.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
There you go again. His trial will be fair, if convicted, his sentence will reflect the gravity of the crime, within the Home Office sentencing guidlines.
This major piece of news, something that Poles both in the UK and in Poland have been talking about since it happened, not that you'd understand what is being said. If you did, you'd see far stronger comments than have appeared in this thread.
You really don't know anything at all, other than what you can glean from English-language websites, about the way things work either the UK or Poland, do you...
Something you brought up. You. Most of us prefer to mourn the loss of those mudered innocents and raise awareness about the homicidally stupid act of driving an articulated lorry while drunk.
, that he shouldn't be given a fair trial and possibly face a harsher sentence b
There you go again. His trial will be fair, if convicted, his sentence will reflect the gravity of the crime, within the Home Office sentencing guidlines.
this anti-Polish hit piece:
This major piece of news, something that Poles both in the UK and in Poland have been talking about since it happened, not that you'd understand what is being said. If you did, you'd see far stronger comments than have appeared in this thread.
You really don't know anything at all, other than what you can glean from English-language websites, about the way things work either the UK or Poland, do you...
Polish nationality had
Something you brought up. You. Most of us prefer to mourn the loss of those mudered innocents and raise awareness about the homicidally stupid act of driving an articulated lorry while drunk.
jon357
30 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
So you're trying to downplay his country of origin, the topic of this whole forum!
He is a professional qualified lorry driver, who got into an articulated lorry while drunk, drove it down the country's main motorway and killed a family of 8.
None of your flapping, whining and ranting can ever or will ever detract from that tragedy.
Ryszard M. is an EU national.
So you're trying to downplay his country of origin, the topic of this whole forum!
Ryszard M. had been a victim of a British drunk driver
He is a professional qualified lorry driver, who got into an articulated lorry while drunk, drove it down the country's main motorway and killed a family of 8.
None of your flapping, whining and ranting can ever or will ever detract from that tragedy.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
It wasn't though, was it...
Seeing things that aren't there again?
It could have been any nationality
It wasn't though, was it...
equate being Polish with intoxicated driving and manslaughter.
Seeing things that aren't there again?
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Language / Where did you start or the best techniques for learning Polish. [85]
Good that a native-American got to university in Paris - he must have been almost unique there. There was a famous native-American who lived for years in Poland.
This just sounds like a normal, practical thing to do.
In Polish, like any other language, listening to the speech patterns of people from/in Poland is invaluable. The same with English - foreigners always have some sort of L1 transference.
native-American
Good that a native-American got to university in Paris - he must have been almost unique there. There was a famous native-American who lived for years in Poland.
he always would consult with our Senor Chocron from Valladollid
This just sounds like a normal, practical thing to do.
In Polish, like any other language, listening to the speech patterns of people from/in Poland is invaluable. The same with English - foreigners always have some sort of L1 transference.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Travel / Planning a trip to Poland - Krakow, Auschwitz, Zakopane and other places - winter, Christmas [56]
In that case, your best bet is one of the better hotels, who may be doing this. You'll need to check well in advance which ones are open, and if they're doing a traditional Wigilia meal.
These 2 are doing catered Wigilia meals on the evening of the 24th. I've eaten at the Galaxy and it is OK:
galaxyhotel.pl/pl/oferty-specjalne/kolacja-wigilijna
hotelunicus.pl/akt,kolacja_wigilijna_,57.html
In that case, your best bet is one of the better hotels, who may be doing this. You'll need to check well in advance which ones are open, and if they're doing a traditional Wigilia meal.
These 2 are doing catered Wigilia meals on the evening of the 24th. I've eaten at the Galaxy and it is OK:
galaxyhotel.pl/pl/oferty-specjalne/kolacja-wigilijna
hotelunicus.pl/akt,kolacja_wigilijna_,57.html
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Language / Where did you start or the best techniques for learning Polish. [85]
Quite - I have never heard this, ever!
I wonder if they're (or their teacher is) from south Germany, the old American zone? Their teacher would be more likely to teach that pronunciation if s/he had studied the language and teaching in that region.
It's great to hear all American schools can have their language teachers checked by native speakers of a given language sent to them from the local consulate. ;)
Quite - I have never heard this, ever!
Why do these kids speak German with such a strong American accent
I wonder if they're (or their teacher is) from south Germany, the old American zone? Their teacher would be more likely to teach that pronunciation if s/he had studied the language and teaching in that region.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Travel / Planning a trip to Poland - Krakow, Auschwitz, Zakopane and other places - winter, Christmas [56]
Some of the kosher places in Kazimierz are exceptional.
I suppose if he hasn't visited PL before (which he has) pierogi, preserved fish and barszcz might be a novelty. Pretty well every non-Chinese non-Kebab restaurant there has them on the menu, and he'll be able to (and should) eat them at least once at any point during his trip.
It would be a shame to visit Krakow and not sample some of Krakow's traditional Jewish dishes there.
For non-Jewish food, he might like Jama Michalika, as much for the interior as anything. The food is the Polish standard fare that you can (and do) get anywhere and everywhere, however the art on the walls is great and the place has a rich history. I usually look in for a cocktail when I'm in Krakow.
Some of the kosher places in Kazimierz are exceptional.
a chance to taste some traditional Polish Christmas dishes there, either.
I suppose if he hasn't visited PL before (which he has) pierogi, preserved fish and barszcz might be a novelty. Pretty well every non-Chinese non-Kebab restaurant there has them on the menu, and he'll be able to (and should) eat them at least once at any point during his trip.
It would be a shame to visit Krakow and not sample some of Krakow's traditional Jewish dishes there.
For non-Jewish food, he might like Jama Michalika, as much for the interior as anything. The food is the Polish standard fare that you can (and do) get anywhere and everywhere, however the art on the walls is great and the place has a rich history. I usually look in for a cocktail when I'm in Krakow.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Travel / Planning a trip to Poland - Krakow, Auschwitz, Zakopane and other places - winter, Christmas [56]
Yes. There is however a greater likelihood of there being clients and bookings on that evening.
He should at least check (he could do this well ahead online - the best ones have websites with contact details) which of the Kazimierz places are open late on the 24th. Probably among the best places for food in Krakow anyway.
Even if the restaurant is kosher, the staff might not be Jewish so even Jewish restaurants may close earlier
Yes. There is however a greater likelihood of there being clients and bookings on that evening.
Booking in advance is best.
He should at least check (he could do this well ahead online - the best ones have websites with contact details) which of the Kazimierz places are open late on the 24th. Probably among the best places for food in Krakow anyway.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Travel / Planning a trip to Poland - Krakow, Auschwitz, Zakopane and other places - winter, Christmas [56]
A big if.
These will be few and far between. Most restaurabts, cafes, bars etc close early on the 24th.
As I've advised him. In fact it is important he sorts this a few days previously.
In Kazimierz, there are some kosher restaurants and there will certainly be visitors there who aren't interested in Wigilia.
If their boss wants
A big if.
I believe some places will be open.
These will be few and far between. Most restaurabts, cafes, bars etc close early on the 24th.
so it's best to book something in advance.
As I've advised him. In fact it is important he sorts this a few days previously.
In Kazimierz, there are some kosher restaurants and there will certainly be visitors there who aren't interested in Wigilia.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Law / My Poland born father served in a foreign army - Polish citizenship questions [76]
In these cases there's always something that they're not saying.
she should be able to prove
In these cases there's always something that they're not saying.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Travel / Planning a trip to Poland - Krakow, Auschwitz, Zakopane and other places - winter, Christmas [56]
A working day, though an evening people (including restaurant staff) spend with families. Slim should find out a few days in advance where's going to be open for dinner in the evening. Big hotels are a good bet, as are Jewish restaurants in Kazimierz.
December 24th is Christmas Eve and the day when Poles have their Christmas dinner - still a working day, though.
A working day, though an evening people (including restaurant staff) spend with families. Slim should find out a few days in advance where's going to be open for dinner in the evening. Big hotels are a good bet, as are Jewish restaurants in Kazimierz.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Polonia / Where do you live, in Poland or abroad? [28]
Shrink them (use image resize, findable on google) to less than 100kb.
pics attached
Shrink them (use image resize, findable on google) to less than 100kb.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Polonia / Where do you live, in Poland or abroad? [28]
Yes. The city by the sea that we were talking about is a prime example - it panders to that, and some people feel they have to aspire to all the bling. You get the same in Warsaw, people chasing a false ideology, thinking they're something special because they can afford a meal in such and such a place, a drink in whatever bar, do their shopping somewhere shiny (that is really nothing special at all), driving a car that isn't really theirs since they went into debt to buy it, or a flat with a wall around the building to create a false sense of exclusivity. Buying into a lifestyle that's just made up by marketing departments. Most of such people are just office clerks anyway, three mortgage or credit card payments away from penury.
You have to find your home, where you're happiest. You can never really go back to where you're from (that changes too from the day you left) and should always be happy where you are - otherwise, what's the point.
It's not always where you expect to end up. I never expected to end up in the suburbs of Warsaw, but am blissfully happy to call it home.
Yes. The city by the sea that we were talking about is a prime example - it panders to that, and some people feel they have to aspire to all the bling. You get the same in Warsaw, people chasing a false ideology, thinking they're something special because they can afford a meal in such and such a place, a drink in whatever bar, do their shopping somewhere shiny (that is really nothing special at all), driving a car that isn't really theirs since they went into debt to buy it, or a flat with a wall around the building to create a false sense of exclusivity. Buying into a lifestyle that's just made up by marketing departments. Most of such people are just office clerks anyway, three mortgage or credit card payments away from penury.
You have to find your home, where you're happiest. You can never really go back to where you're from (that changes too from the day you left) and should always be happy where you are - otherwise, what's the point.
It's not always where you expect to end up. I never expected to end up in the suburbs of Warsaw, but am blissfully happy to call it home.
jon357
29 Aug 2017
Polonia / Where do you live, in Poland or abroad? [28]
Yep, those places , the surreal world of luxurious excess and flashing flunkies (that one's nice, though I prefer the one at the Sheraton Four Points round the corner on Sheik Zayed Road, has a good happy hour and fancy lighting that changes colour). When your colleague asks if you want to go to the supposed best seafood restaurant in the world, that top floor one down by the Marina, and you say no, because you're dreaming of Warsaw pierogi z mięsem in your favourite dive or Yorkshire fish n' chips at Ahmed's chippy by the rugby league ground. It's 60zl a pint at that seafood place anyway.
Yes, the best. Here it's the same, servants, an apartment that looks like a presidential office, limos everywhere and I'd swap the lot of it to be back home. Too young and too poor to retire just yet though. This was taken on my roof terrace back home in Warsaw, two nights ago, looking out over Puszcza Kampinoska. I'd like to be sitting there now with a can of Krolewskie.
Ah done that and the skyview Bar Bar Burj Al Arab, boring after the umpteenth time of having to go there on business,
Yep, those places , the surreal world of luxurious excess and flashing flunkies (that one's nice, though I prefer the one at the Sheraton Four Points round the corner on Sheik Zayed Road, has a good happy hour and fancy lighting that changes colour). When your colleague asks if you want to go to the supposed best seafood restaurant in the world, that top floor one down by the Marina, and you say no, because you're dreaming of Warsaw pierogi z mięsem in your favourite dive or Yorkshire fish n' chips at Ahmed's chippy by the rugby league ground. It's 60zl a pint at that seafood place anyway.
Now dolnoland back yard with forrest and fields, little dear wild boar foxes,
Yes, the best. Here it's the same, servants, an apartment that looks like a presidential office, limos everywhere and I'd swap the lot of it to be back home. Too young and too poor to retire just yet though. This was taken on my roof terrace back home in Warsaw, two nights ago, looking out over Puszcza Kampinoska. I'd like to be sitting there now with a can of Krolewskie.
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jon357
29 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]
So what - the overwhelming majority of those Poles who are interested take part in discussion about this killer on Polish language fora. A lotof talk about him; most of it far more negative than any here.
Neither spelling nor your opinion detract from the incredibly stupid and lethal crime of a guy who gets in an articulated lorry while drunk and kills eight people.
unhelpful to Poles
So what - the overwhelming majority of those Poles who are interested take part in discussion about this killer on Polish language fora. A lotof talk about him; most of it far more negative than any here.
Neither spelling nor your opinion detract from the incredibly stupid and lethal crime of a guy who gets in an articulated lorry while drunk and kills eight people.