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Bratwurst Boy   
24 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

I do not think that a blunder....

*tries to think about a world without Prussia*

*panics*

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Bratwurst Boy   
24 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Poland after dealing with the fact that Russian market collapsed picked up the steam and has been more dynamic ever since. That's as good measure of energy as any.

Hmmm...that's why millions of Poles left for better shores?
But you were talking about comparing Poland and the GDR...

Anyhow...nice talk....have to leave now for awhile! :)

The point of the discussion at hand is to stomp over each other, not to reach some universal wisdom! :P

So true! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
24 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

We looked worse in terms of infrastructure, but we were more energetic and crime was actually smaller.

Really! You were more "energetic"! In what way...car theft??? Some support for that statement, a statistic or something?

ROFL

It seems you can't organise daily life by yourselves, you need some overlords or the country is overrun by crazy nazis (why are there still nazis in Germany?).

Yeah...that's why Germany right now hangs on the polish life drip and not the other way around .....no....wait...
Don't you have to laugh yourself writing such nonsense.
Poles only ever advanced under german leadership...be it Prussia back then or the EU now.

But who caused that?

Who caused what? Poles had been ever only about the half of the Germans...

Our superior culture would never spring a thought of exterminating other nations, much less actually turning it into reality.

Well...PolsciDump and even Sokrates tell you otherwise, they dream of genocide and mass murder...but you never pull anything off...from far above in lala-land! ;)

Germany needs Poland if only to have a moral model to follow.

...for that we have France! :(
Bratwurst Boy   
24 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

1) that GrzegorzK's post iss a load of crap.

Poland looked worse than the GDR in 1989, and that means something....fact!

2) Poland wasn't saved or rescued, unlike in Germany there was active and ongoing underground resistance against Russian occupation - case in point we were the first who got rid of it

Where would Poland be today if the Russians hadn't borne the brunt of the dirty ground war and won the war for the allies....not there, that's for sure.

3) we were bigger losers in that war than Germany, in terms of demographics, culture and infrastructure

That's why your country today is as big as Germany with not even the half of it's people...

You never paid back for all the things you destroyed and stole during WW2. Handing money now is the only right thing to do.

Give back what is now west Poland and we can talk about reparations...
Bratwurst Boy   
24 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

LOL wut

OMG
Now it's stop being funny...Poles were "saved" and "rescued" by your dear slavic brothers the Russians and said "thank you" for decades afterwards.

Germany was the arch enemy and lost the most bloody war there ever was, we suffered occupation by the victors...how dare you to compare a proud warrior nation with bootlickers and slimers like Poles is outrageous.

Because that's what you are...now again you shoot against the Russians even as they liberated you and you also shoot against the Germans which were nothing but generous and helpful to your rebuilding as a nation.

And with what reason actually? You are really a twofaced people, b*itching about your "enemies" when nobody looks but openly bowing to either russian liberators or taking unashamedly german money and support as much as you can.
Bratwurst Boy   
24 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Germany doesn't invest that heavily though. We're getting like €70B over a 7 year period, which is peanuts and a tiny percentage of our GDP. It's nice that we're getting those money, but it's not crucial.

ROFL
You would still look like Ukraine without Germany!

You Germans surely liked your Russian overlords.

Well, we fighted them and their victory cost them dearly...what did the Poles do again? Licking boots and saying "thank you" for 40 years ?

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
24 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

we have been steadily rising in terms of economy and power.

Germany could have you left out to dry after the iron curtain fell but they lobbied for Poland to join the EU...did you ever wonder why?

Poland get's Billions of EU-funds...Germany invest heavily in Poland...1/3 of your whole trade is with Germany...did you ever wonder why?

;)

Combined effect of our energy and German apathy (also to reproduce) will make us the kings of central Europe, like we should always be but for various reasons haven't been for the last 400 years LOL

Yeah! ROFL
And you wonder why you as a people never go anywhere...dreamers! Lala-land is the only country you will always be king of!

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
23 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Oh please, RAF alone was outbuildng and outraining Luftwaffe in 1941 long before lend lease.

That didn't help their groundtroops in France in 1940...

In other words by cowardice.

You are always so refreshingly direct! :)

The difference is that in 1939 Germans have a bunch of reservists with nothing but their d*cks in the west, France could literally roll into Germay

The military and political chaos in 1939 was not different to 1940...France was deeply split and at each others throats. The communists were strong and the pro-Nazi forces too... it was a mess. They couldn't save themselves not to speak of other countries.
Bratwurst Boy   
23 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

If France and England fulfill their obligations(and they were able of doing that)

No, they weren't able to do that. It took Britain several more years rearming and the help of the US to gain the upper hand. And France's army was superior in 1940 but was totally paralyzed by lack of political and military leadership. The whole french campaign (inclusive throwing the british forces from the continent at Dunkirk) took only 6 weeks for a reason.

None of your allies could help you in a significant way...

Poles should have waited for Vienna to fall, and for Turks to move on much further West, destroying some decently large patches of German and France.

Always assumed it would had played out that way which is far from sure...
Bratwurst Boy   
23 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

It is simple what Poland should have done.In June 1939 Stalin sent a secret delegation to Poland to achieve an alliance pact between Poland and USSR.

Well...then Poland had the choice to become part of the anti-comintern pact before...making it an ally of Germany and others.

Choices, choices....

I think we can assume that Polands decision to ignore all alliance offers by it's neighbours but to trust far away countries who were not able to be of great help is surely something what could be called a "blunder"....only with hindsight of course.
Bratwurst Boy   
23 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

But that is starting to stray from your original thread title.

He took back his statement already before:

Even if they never specifically called Poles Orientals their denegrating characterizations of Poles used the same terminology that British and French Orientalists used when justifying their domination over Orientals

I'm not sure what he is after now actually...or what his problem is! *shrug*

It's the same type of mentality Romans had about the Germanic tribes to the northeast.

Nah...they called everybody non-Roman "Barbarians", not "Orientals" ;)

And what they thought of the german tribes you can read in the Germania....I like that description, if it was true or not! :)

fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Good, so now we have to horses pulling the same carriage, I hope the OP takes note(:

He won't accept the opinions of us lowlifes anyhow...we are not worthy! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Orientalist attitudes towards Poland are a German tradition

Nobody denies arrogant or superior attitudes...they are just not anything "oriental"! They are just "arrogant" and or "superior".

Why do you feel the need to involve the Orient! ;)
No German thinks in any way "oriental" when it's about our eastern neighbours, just typically arrogant and superior, promised! ;)

Oh well...believe what you want....
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
News / Visegrad Battle Group under the command of Poland [261]

Essentially Poland being f*cked up by Germany and/or Russia is not the matter of if but a question of when.

...that's for sure if you keep antagonizing them. Tusk is so much smarter...he "hugs Germany close"! Much better strategy for Polands welfare, believe it or not.
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Nope...they are just taking the **** out of you! I never heard it called "Orientalism".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism

Orientalism is a term used for the imitation or depiction of aspects of Eastern cultures in the West by writers, designers and artists, as well as having other meanings.
In particular, Orientalist painting, depicting more specifically "the Middle East including North Africa",[1] was one of the many specialisms of 19th century Academic art.

What you are harping on about:

...In 1978, the Palestinian-American scholar Edward Said published his influential and controversial book, Orientalism, which "would forever redefine" the word;[7] he used the term to describe a pervasive Western tradition, both academic and artistic, of prejudiced outsider interpretations of the East, shaped by the attitudes of European imperialism in the 18th and 19th centuries. ..

...is one little, fairly new aspect told by one man only. No need to make it a Weltanschauung, especially not a german one.
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Even if they never specifically called Poles Orientalstheir denegrating characterizations of Poles used the same terminology that British and French Orientalists used when justifying their domination over Orientals

That's the small but fine distinction... ;)

I can tell you an illiterate redneck as much as I want but I still wouldn't call you "oriental"....because "oriental" is not a slur...it's a geographical fact, not a social one and in the case of Poland a stupid one.

The "orient" is for a German somewhere far south...not our eastern neighbours.

Even modern Turks are sometimes called "Kanaks" in Germany or something if they are denigrated...but not "orientals".
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

s for the Germans, my argument was that they did not to my knowledge, equate it with the oriental, if they did than it probably tells you all need to know about the Germans.

No...they didn't equate Poland with "oriental"...that would be news to me too! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Constitution_of_May_3,_1791

You don't understand me HC, it's not about how Poles view themselves...you stated repeatedly that the Germans/Prussians viewed Poland as advanced and were even scared.

I would like to read about that....

The one thing i will have to concede to the Prussians, they have very good March compositions.

We have the best ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

burgher is an English word not a Polish one

"Burgher" is the anglicized "Bürger"....but then..it's the english wiki! :)

and that in many respects Poland was more advanced politically-despite the best efforts of Prussia and Russia, is just plain disingenuous and untrue.

How so? You posted that statement repeatedly without any support or links or whatever...
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

HC, no country was industrialized at the times of Frederick the great, industrialization started during the 18th century mainly....;)

We shouldn't mix the times.

In the second part of XVIII century in Poland:

What I said...

Interesting:

Black procession (Polish: Czarna procesja) refers to a demonstration held by burghers in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth's capital of Warsaw on 2 December 1789, during the Great Sejm. It vastly constributed to the passage of a belated major urban reform.

"Burghers"...even the word stems from Dutch/German "Bürger"....

A formally defined class in medieval German cities, usually the only group from which city officials could be drawn. The equivalent in German of bourgeoisie

Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Bismark also started a huge damn war..

Not only one, but three! ;)
There was no other way for Germany to unificate. He was the founder of modern Germany...and it isn't as if other countries didn't go to war for their unification/independence, riiiiiight! ;)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia#1848.E2.80.931871:_The_German_wars_of_unification

Bismarck is for me one of the most fascinating characters in European history...and the #1 in German history.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck
But I'm not sure why Jews should have something against a Hollywood biopic...it's rather that it won't sell with the American public.
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Well...there had been a development in Prussia too...
Under Bismarck it was one of the most advanced and industrialized countries in Europe. Poles profited from that the same. The polish western "re-gained" territories are even now much more modern than the backward eastern lands. There is a reason for that!
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Nope...Poland was an agrarian country with barely any industry and no urban middle class. That all changed only with prussian investments, infrastructure and industrialization. The development of a polish middle class followed.
Bratwurst Boy   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

I'm fairly sure Luther hammered his thesis at the door in Wittenberg to protest Rome...not Warsaw... ;)

/wiki/Martin_Luther#The_start_of_the_Reformation

....In 1516-17, Johann Tetzel, a Dominican friar and papal commissioner for indulgences, was sent to Germany by the Roman Catholic Church to sell indulgences to raise money to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome.[26] Roman Catholic theology stated that faith alone, whether fiduciary or dogmatic, cannot justify man;[27] and that only such faith as is active in charity and good works (fides caritate formata) can justify man.[28] The benefits of good works could be obtained by donating money to the church.