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delphiandomine   
23 Aug 2017
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]

Have to admit I don't understand much of this.

It's all quite difficult to follow. Essentially, until 1990, there were two different views as to what the Federal Republic of Germany was legally. While the Allies believed that the Basic Law gained its legitimacy from the Allied occupation, the alternative view pushed by the FRG was that in order to be the only legitimate German state (thus making the German Democratic Republic an illegitimate state), it had to have derived its sovereignty from the German Reich.

As I understand it, when the GDR ceased to exist, the Federal Republic had no reason to need continuity with the German Reich because there were no other German states, so they quickly abandoned that stance and accepted the legal theory that the Basic Law gained legitimacy from the Allied occupation. The best I can work out is that if they had abandoned their claim to being the successor to the German Reich before unification, then the Soviets would have immediately recognised East German sovereignty, which would have formalised the division of Germany.

Where does this list of other de jure states that are eligible for accession come from?

This was the source of some discontent, as it was vague enough to mean that Austria in particular could be incorporated into the Federal Republic. However, I think the idea was that Article 23 could only be used if the other state initiated it, meaning that in practice, it would only be useful for West and East Berlin, the GDR and the Saarland. Probably the reason for "de jure" rather than "de facto" was also to stop any tricks involving parastates.

This is all really a juridical debate, that has no bearing

You're right that it has no bearing on German foreign policy, but that policy is rather out of the goodwill of Germany rather than out of any legal requirements. I dare say such subtleties are lost on PiS voters however.
delphiandomine   
22 Aug 2017
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]

Germany is in fact an inheritor of the Third Reich.

No, it isn't. It's very long winded and difficult to explain, but the Allies essentially crafted it so that the Federal Republic, the German Democratic Republic and the Saarland took their sovereignty from the Allied occupation, not from the German Reich. There was some dispute over this in the Federal Republic, and there was a fairly significant school of thought within the Federal Republic that it was a successor state, but the matter was definitively settled with the unification of German in 1990.

Essentially, the Basic Law of the Federal Republic was interpreted within the Federal Republic as providing an article for an all-German state (after unification) which would then become the legal successor of the German Reich. This was supposed to be used when German unified, but they chose for the GDR to join the Federal Republic instead, meaning that there was no successor to the German Reich. If the two Germanies had united as originally imagined by the Basic Law, then it would have been the successor state - but they didn't unite, but rather the Federal Republic simply accepted new German states into the federation.

It's all quite complicated and difficult to follow, but the core idea is that the modern day Federal Republic owes its existence to the Allies and not to the German Reich. I don't remember which European court ruled on the matter, but it was definitely settled at some point that the post-1990 Federal Republic was not the successor of the German Reich.

I seem to recall that there was also some legal weirdness concerning the existence post-war of the German Reich, but this is where it gets really arcane and where you need a law degree to make any sense of it.
delphiandomine   
22 Aug 2017
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]

It doesn't work in the way you think it works.

It works in exactly that way. The Federal Republic of Germany took and takes full responsibility for the actions of the German Democratic Republic. If you want to argue, perhaps you should look at why the Federal Republic felt competent to try people for things that were not crimes according to the law of the GDR.

The verdict is that non-succession arguments very rarely win. In 9 cases out of 10 they fail. Not a single state has succeeded.

I think it's pretty clear with the complete collapse of Germany in 1945 that there was no possible way that the BRD or GDR (or even the Saarland, if they wanted to!) could be claimed to be the legal successor of the German Reich. The huge influx of ethnic Germans, the completely different political systems and the Allied oversight over the affairs of the occupation zones, later countries - it's clear to anyone that follows the development of nation states that there was no possible way that the post-war Federal Republic could be considered to be the same country. Even the way that the three post-war German states developed was clearly in rejection of the past.

For what it's worth, even the claim of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to be the successor state of the SFRY was rejected. The Czechs also didn't try and become the successor state to Czechoslovakia, even if they were by far the bigger republic in the federation.
delphiandomine   
22 Aug 2017
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]

It need to be remember that GDR doesn't exist today and Poland hasn't waived any claims towards Germany.

Ironside, I'm sure you're smart enough to understand that the Federal Republic agreed to take on all agreements and responsibilities of the German Democratic Republic. That's one of the key points of the unification treaty.

As has been explained above, the matter is closed between Poland and Germany.

Otherwise it would be pretty dumb on the part of PiS to bring that issue up.

PiS are bringing it up for political purposes, nothing more. Do you notice them doing anything legally to reopen the issue? No? There's your answer.
delphiandomine   
22 Aug 2017
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]

but Kohl insisted that such a binding legal agreement could only be made after German reunification, not before).

He was right. Neither the BRD nor the DDR had the ability to negotiate on behalf of the German people, and it was only with unification that the German people were all living in a German state, just as it took a unified German state to finally end World War II.

The whole legal status of West and East Germany between 1945-1990 is an endlessly fascinating topic for me. However, PiS, like always, are taking advantage of people's ignorance and unwillingness to actually verify things for themselves. Anyone who does more than 5 minutes reading on the topic knows that the issue of German repatriations has been conclusively answered, and the fact that PiS are doing nothing but publishing propaganda on the topic says a lot about their real intentions.

This is easily verifiable in any decent historical book about the German reunification.

Yes, but remember that people believe government propaganda over verifiable facts.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
News / 2.79% of Ukrainian asylum seekers granted asylum [46]

"Expats" again proved to be full of nonsense. Case closed.

In that case, what justification does the Polish government have for evacuating refugees from Mariupol and other places?

"Polish" again proved to be full of nonsense. Case closed.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
News / Poland's Public TV News Propaganda "Wiadomości" hated by viewers [31]

~People have different opinions..

Viewers talk, and a 25% slide in 2 years says it all. The news is absolutely dreadful, and even many people within PiS are openly calling for Kurski's blood because of just how bad it's become.

TVP information reminded me a lot Soviet Poland propaganda

Yes, that's a very accurate way to describe TVP these days.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
USA, Canada / Thousands of undocumented Poles in Chicago [33]

Nonsense. Visa-free access is overrated anyway/

For you, perhaps. For everyone else forced to pay $160 and undergo the nonsense of applying for a visa, it's certainly not.

Hmm one doesn't exclude the other but reason would dictate to stop influx of illegals in the first place..

Better to make it clear that you will be caught.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
News / Poland's Public TV News Propaganda "Wiadomości" hated by viewers [31]

16- to 34-year-olds, the core BBC audience, tuning into BBC TV plummeted 18%, or 6.2 minutes a day.

That doesn't mean much, because that age group is cutting the cord all over the world. What matters is that the Wiadomośći total audience is down 25%, not just one age group.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
USA, Canada / Thousands of undocumented Poles in Chicago [33]

Why so many illegals?

Not a clue. I'm surprised that America has such issues, and that they don't have better control over who is in the country.

In the Schengen countries, you can be stopped at any time, anywhere for border control.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
USA, Canada / Thousands of undocumented Poles in Chicago [33]

Found this interesting article and I thought I'd share it with everyone. Some quotes are particularly fascinating:

chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/thousands-of-europeans-are-among-chicagos-undocumented

Some Polish immigrants install doorbells because the sound is less threatening, said Grazyna Zajaczkowska, director of immigration services for the Polish American Association. They also won't answer the door unless they already know who's there.

Seems to me as if Trump should focus on getting rid of those that are already illegally in the US rather than ranting about a wall.

The number of undocumented Poles in Chicago could range from "a thousand to up to thousands and thousands," Zajaczkowska said.

Way too many. These people are causing Poles to not have visa-free access to the US.

Others, however, are "packing up and leaving," Regan said.

Well, at least if they come back to Poland, they'll have money to burn.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
News / 2.79% of Ukrainian asylum seekers granted asylum [46]

it was the UK that offered to take hundreds of thousands of Poles who felt they needed refugee status

Yes, many of whom were combatants. I don't see Poland offering to take in those who opposed criminal regimes in Belarus and Russia.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
News / Poland's Public TV News Propaganda "Wiadomości" hated by viewers [31]

Read all about it, read all about it!

wp.pl/?paid=6157180872177793&service=wiadomosci.wp.pl

More than half of Poles believe that the quality of the "Wiadomości" program under PiS rule has deteriorated. Only 14 percent of viewers consider that the "good change" in TVP was actually very good.

In other words, just as we all know, people do not want to watch crude propaganda and manipulations. Even many voices within PiS are stressing just how bad TVP has become under Jacek Kurski. In other words, no-one wants to pay to watch this garbage, as the viewership has fallen by almost 25% in 2 years, which is significantly worse than other news programmes.
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
News / Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor [403]

I'm not too familiar with his trial and the situation.

It's a pretty bad situation. Polanski originally agreed a deal where they would drop most of the charges in exchange for a single guilty plea of unlawful sex with a minor, and it seems a deal was done for him to him to get probation on condition that he left the USA. The district attorney then met the judge privately, and convinced him to actually put Polanski back to prison, which was a crime under some sort of law designed to stop judges being influenced.

For me, no-one comes out of this looking good, but the general argument against deporting him is that with all the media attention, it will be nearly impossible for him to get a fair trial.

One odd thing about the story - Polanski was photographing her topless. Where the hell were her parents? :/
delphiandomine   
21 Aug 2017
Life / Health cover for a married couple in Poland [70]

This music to my ears, further enquires reveal that I would receive free hospital cover

On what basis? If you're relying on the S1 form, be aware that Brexit will almost certainly end that.

Thousands is not much chop for somebody who has lived away from Poland... one years nfz at 400 per month adds up

It certainly does, which is why Poland doesn't go handing out free healthcare.
delphiandomine   
20 Aug 2017
News / Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor [403]

For Polanski, he's actually got a conviction, fled the law, and needs to return to deal with this.

From what I gather, the general objection in Europe is that his trial was unfair, so countries here are unwilling to extradite him on that basis.

Have you read about his conviction and how it came about? The whole plea bargain stuff is incredibly murky, as is the way that the judge was influenced.
delphiandomine   
20 Aug 2017
Life / Health cover for a married couple in Poland [70]

Then and only then will that person realize how things are run in Poland.

Exactly. That certainly won't be covered by the government, and there's no way the NFZ is going to let some foreigner away without paying the hospital bills.
delphiandomine   
19 Aug 2017
Life / Health cover for a married couple in Poland [70]

What will happen is that they will be able to receive minimal care, but they won't receive anything more without insurance.

So if someone needs painkillers, they'll get them, but they won't get a visit to the specialist to establish what the problem is.
delphiandomine   
19 Aug 2017
UK, Ireland / Polish passport - Can I apply from the UK? [51]

It's a matter of a simple database update. Takes a few seconds.

Of course, it might not be possible in the United States.
delphiandomine   
18 Aug 2017
Law / Status of Protocol 12 to the European Convention on Human Rights [63]

the border officials can even see certain information about tax and zus.

Yes, I've seen someone get questioned at length about his business activities on the Ukrainian border. They were highly interested as to why an American had a registered business in PL without having a residence permit/visa.
delphiandomine   
18 Aug 2017
Life / Health cover for a married couple in Poland [70]

Thats the point the NFZ will be liqudated in 2018, the government will pay the healthcare providers direct out of payments made from taxes on the employed.

That's not going to happen in 2018. PiS know fine well that any healthcare reform will be political dynamite, especially among older voters, and they've already quite considerably backed off on the idea once they realised just how dangerous it is.

no one is checking and they are getting treatment

Good luck to them with the NFZ chasing them for payment.

I'm having trouble finding any evidence that it was, or will be, actually implemented.

The only thing implemented (in theory) was the 'care first, payment second' approach to make sure that everyone can see the first contact doctor. However, in practice, many clinics are checking for the PESEL as the NFZ seemingly won't pay for those that don't have insurance.
delphiandomine   
18 Aug 2017
Life / Health cover for a married couple in Poland [70]

primary care clinics will no longer check whether the patient has the right to benefits.

However, in practice, that means very little as primary care providers (so called "first instance" doctors) are very reluctant to treat anything beyond the basics.

in 2018 the whole problem of uninsured citizens will go away which is a good thing everyone should have the right to basic healthcare regardless of money

It won't go away. All this reform is doing is providing minimal healthcare to everyone, but the reality is that many clinics simply aren't taking on such patients as the NFZ isn't willing to pay for it. You certainly won't get any specialist care or hospital treatment with this.
delphiandomine   
17 Aug 2017
Law / Status of Protocol 12 to the European Convention on Human Rights [63]

Was the citizenship of the citizens of the Second Republic a right, or something less than could be taken away from them involuntarily?

It was something that could be lost, according to all the laws in force during the II RP. It was not a right as it is today.

If it was a right, then the whole Yalta border change couldn't (under present E.U. human rights law) deprive those in the East of it either,

Nope, the border change was codified in Polish citizenship law before any of the European treaties came into effect.

And again, you are mentioning the European Union, although the European Union has nothing to do with individual citizenship laws. There is a general acceptance that people cannot be made stateless, but apart from that, the EU leaves citizenship to the Member States.

None of this has anything to do with the issue, which is that you cannot prove your claim to citizenship. Try Ukraine instead.
delphiandomine   
17 Aug 2017
Law / Status of Protocol 12 to the European Convention on Human Rights [63]

It would help if he outlined his claim, as it seems that his claim hinges on a grandfather that was never a documented citizen of the II RP.

As has been said many times on PF, Polish citizenship requires documented evidence. It seems that the OP is struggling with this basic fact.
delphiandomine   
17 Aug 2017
Law / Status of Protocol 12 to the European Convention on Human Rights [63]

So, the OP feels that they have an ancestor that might have been recognised by the Second Republic as a citizen, but that ancestor has no claim in the Third Republic.

That has precious little to do with current Polish nationality laws, though if they have any claim to being part of the Polish Nation, they can apply for permanent residency.

It seems to me as if the OP should take a case to the Polish courts rather than posting endlessly about an unsubstantiated claim to Polish citizenship.