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celinski   
18 Feb 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

Rather, it happened only 7 years ago in a 'democratic' republic of Poland ?

Yes, I admit it, you were right I was off on another issue and wrong. I never even saw this artical and found it very informative. Do you know where the village of Jedwabne is?
celinski   
18 Feb 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE APOLOGY DID NOT TAKE PLACE.

You are correct, or if Poland had any part. Poland also apoligized to Ukraine and we are still waiting for them to apologize like they said they would.

Celinski PLEASE GO BACK TO SLEEP. Its better for Poland ;-)

I had my coffee, Thanks I don't feel being grumpy helps to educate or is better for Poland.
celinski   
18 Feb 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

THE APOLOGY HAPPENED IN JULY 2001.

Now read the full story as I see it an apology by the President yet the responsabilty yet to be determined. If you like we can speak of the behavior of the Jewish in eastern Poland?

"These are all lies. I am spending the day quietly at home. It is Holocaust business. It is not my business. Germans are responsible, so why should we apologise?" the priest, Edward Orlowski, said.
celinski   
18 Feb 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

Poland had to apologize for the Holocaust ?

And do you really expect people to be relocated to allow some foreign family to come and live in one's home ? Are you crazy ?

Crazy, how mean. Is this a matter of relocating or compensation? Poland apologized or "communist Poland" there is a differance you know? As a Roman Catholic I can feel sorry and apologize for what happened to the Jewish in Poland, just as I would hope the Jewish could do for us.

some foreign family to come and live in one's home ?

Foreigh= POLISH Do you think you are better because you stayed? Your military born in Poland would be dead if they stayed for fighting Soviets. This does not make you more Polish.
celinski   
17 Feb 2008
News / Are Poles good enough for USA (to go there without a visa)? [288]

Good to know who your friends are!

Don't speak like this, Poland and USA are very close. I think of Poland as my blood and I hope they see the large community's of Polish in the USA, seeing as the majority were exiled here.

only 20% of Polish people want this US shield.

It was Poland that asked the USA for assistance in the shield in the first place.
celinski   
16 Feb 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

The catholics never had this problem

Yes we have had this prob. the differance is the "Roman Catholic" were, dead, exilied or silenced by communist Poland. Look at the statistics and the truth is Polish were the target, not Jewish. Jewish were not in the same position as Poles and could speak out. I wish they included all of us in the "Holocaust"et people see this as a Jewish victimisation.

Being from eastern Poland, Stalin sent my family to Siberia to slave and die. Deadline for the compensation on this group is Dec. 2008. We were forgotten and are now able to come forward and speak.

Here is just one artical about a forgotten.

The Ossowskis are Polish non-Jews, a category often forgotten

buzzle.com/articles/178224.html
celinski   
9 Feb 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

How is it connected to your hatred towards Ukrainians.

I never said I hated anyone. My family lived in eastern Poland. Wolyn was where our home was located. In fact we had Ukraine's and Jewish living on our estate. My grandfather taught men and boys to read and write. I have documents that it was the Ukraine family that saved my grandfather from being shot vs. going to Siberia.

This does not make what took place 1942 OK. It was not OK and although Ukraine said they would say sorry, they have yet to do this.

sorry I needed off topic where we were sent.
celinski   
5 Feb 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

But let me ask you a question:

Do you feel Polish Army families (sorry we are Roman Catholic not Jewish) that were given property in Kresy for service to Polish goverment, then taken on Stalins orders to slave and die in Siberia, should be compensated by Poland or Russia?

This is interesting Russia is putting Germany down for withholding money for Holocaust victims, as they repeat "Jewish"people, yet what has Russia done?

This is why I find Russia's artical "calling the kettle black" shall I say? By the way it was "Communist Poland" that made the deal to reimburse the families from eastern Poland in 1945. Today with Poland being free, they are taking care of the families that were born and fought for Poland.
celinski   
29 Jan 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

This is interesting Russia is putting Germany down for withholding money for Holocaust victims, as they repeat "Jewish"people, yet what has Russia done?

Israel's shame as Holocaust victims die in poverty
About 80,000 Holocaust survivors emigrated to Israel after WW2. Instead of finding ease and opportunity, many discovered only loneliness and grinding poverty. They accuse Israel of failing to give them the compensation paid by Germany. They say millions of dollars that was meant for them has been used to build the country instead.

russiatoday.ru/features/news/20150/video
celinski   
28 Jan 2008
History / Unusual soldier (The bear - named Voytek) [71]

Here is a link to where Voytek went after the war, pretty interesting.

Voytek died in December 1963. Since then his story has been drifting through the pages of historic lore like a wandering bear, heard but unconfirmed. Despite extensive documentation, photographs and even a few sculptures, most people have never heard of Voytek, or regard him as a myth. But Scottish campaigner Aileen Orr, along with others, wants to change that by erecting a memorial. As she told the BBC: "The story is totally amazing."

://blog.washingtonpost.com/offbeat/2008/01/voytek_the_soldier_bear _of_pol_1
celinski   
10 Jan 2008
USA, Canada / What do Polish people think of the USA [287]

there are dirtier places then indiana man

I think Connecticut is very clean, we do impose very heafty fines for litter and this may help. We also use our prision system to keep the roadways clean. Prisoners love it because they get out and get a taste of their lost freedom back and some fresh air and sunshine. While traveling I was shocked to see in Virginia, people throwing garbage right out car windows in broad daylight. I must have seen this repeated 10 times in one week. It seems as if no one cared and it makes the problem grow as long as there are no fines.
celinski   
9 Jan 2008
USA, Canada / What do Polish people think of the USA [287]

Canada

I must say when I was in Canada I was very impressed with the way they keep the street very clean. I was in Ottawa and didn't know if this was all of Canada or just where I was? Great job Canada, it looked great.

Carol, USA
celinski   
9 Jan 2008
USA, Canada / What do Polish people think of the USA [287]

Why USA and Poland should be good friends:

14. We are family, blood family, exciled from Poland when communism took over.

Carol Celinska
celinski   
9 Jan 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

My family still have citizenship, due to not giving up citizenship. With the USA and Poland dual is possiable.

In the US your mother would be considered a Russian vs being Jewish. We can safely move from one part of the US to the other and believe in our God of choice. Right now with our hopefuls trying to get on the ticket for president Obama, a muslim turned christian is neck in neck with Hilliary Clinton. Only in America.
celinski   
8 Jan 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

And they really were stateless, till 1948.

My family were "stateless" due to Poland no longer being a country. From birth of my Grandfather up until this point he always had his country. In 1989 he was so excited, his country was back. He then accepted his medals from a "free Poland". Although Communist never gave up trying to get him to take them.

And they really were stateless, till 1948.

Where did they become citizens? I take it Britian,but don't want to assume.
celinski   
7 Jan 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

Where was your grandfather from?

My Grandfather was born in Rzym, Polska. His land that I speak of was presented to him for his bravery, from Poland and was Lewkowce, Poland. Today we would find this land in Ukraine. When I looked at the Elise Island papers my family were listed as, "stateless" meaning they did not have any country.

Poles feel the Jews have blamed them more than they have blamed the Germans,

This is also true for Russia/Ukrainian/Jewish in eastern Poland that still do not take responsability. Why do we always forget the roles played by everyone? Polish have taken responsability over and over, yet no one seems concerned with the bigger picture? I just don't understand.

Carol
celinski   
7 Jan 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

Even in this forum there's more bickering between Poles and Jews

When all are equal there is no bickering. When my father was orphaned in So. Africa it was a Jewish family that took him in and took care of him for a bit. They did not ask who his god was, they saw a child in need.

Prior to WW2 my grandfathers farm was also where many Ukraines lived. He taught a group of boys and men how to read and write. They all ate of the same gardens and while ownership was my grandfathers, he also worked the fields. With equality comes respect, reguardless of who we thank at the end of the day.

Carol
celinski   
7 Jan 2008
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

Jews are no better than anyone else,

I am reminded by what I learned from my family. In eastern Poand prior to WW2 all people worked as one. Reguardless of your race or religion. Respect was earned on a per person basis. You would break bread with your neighbor and work for the good of the community.

It was outside intervention that in 1939-45 feed hatred into the people. Greed for power pitted one toward the other. Survival of barbaric rule made people animalistic and killers. When people feel threatened and pushed to far they will seek a way to survive. All this takes place while the real powers that started it quietly sit back and watch.
celinski   
31 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

refuse to allow you to do research because you are not Jewish?

Yes, on line sites this has happened to me two times. You cannot enter unless you join and you must be Jewish to join. I was in a site and ran my family's name and it told of documents in this other site I was trying to go into. I never did see the documents.

Carol
celinski   
30 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

Carol, if you feel so strong about your past then sell up and come home.You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder and you should lay this past to rest and get over it and start living a modern Poland as most Poles are.
What good can come from going over old hurt making yourself feel bad all the time?

I wish I could. As with my family leaving Poland in 1951, I have built my life here, it's all I know. I would be in the same boat they were. Going to another country and having to start all over. Selling my farm here and my horses. Not to mention the family that have been born here, my own children would not understand.

After many years the USA has grown an appreciation for the Polish in the USA. It was not always this way. As a child I recall being told to go home to Poland as I did not belong here. A "ski" in your name made you a target in school and an outcast/misfit that simply did not belong. Yes, children can be cruel. I do not say this for pity as I have a happy ending. Around 7th grade I became popular for who I am. I never forgot though the feeling I had as a child, and know first hand the damage prejudist can do, Each and every person is the same reguardless of color or religion.

My chip is due to Polish family's mostly non Jewish that never spoken out like the Jewish family's and are not taken into consideration. We were all victims. If you are Polish you were targeted. Some lost entire blood lines, some were lucky and lost only a few. My point is reguardless of your loss we all have scars. My father as with many victims, lived a lifetime in silence and pain within his heart vs. having a "holocaust" as the Jewish have and a nation digging for the truth. If you see this as "a chip" so be it. In the USA since 1989 groups that never spoke out are now finding a voice. We are at long last doing what Jewish family's have always done. Documents that we did not have access to in the past are at long last being released.

Don't get me wrong I know of the suffering that the Jewish family's endured. Jewish also were aware of what took place to ours. If the tables were reversed and the only ones looked at as victims were the ones that were born in Poland or just Roman / Greek Catholics I believe Jewish would be saying the same thing I am, what about our families? Remember we are all the same.

And no Polish people were deported to the USA, they fled to the USA, because the other choice as you said would be arrest.

arrest or death.

My point was that no one was deported to the USA from Poland.

I believe the word that should be used is, "exiled".
webster-dictionary.net/definition/Exile

Definition of Exile
Ex`ile'
n. 1. Forced separation from one's native country; expulsion from one's home by the civil authority; banishment; sometimes, voluntary separation from one's native country.

Let them be recalled from their exile.
- Shak.
2. The person expelled from his country by authority; also, one who separates himself from his home.
Thou art in exile, and thou must not stay.
- Shak.
v. t. 1. To banish or expel from one's own country or home; to drive away.
[imp. & p. p. Exiled ; p. pr. & vb. n. Exiling.]
Calling home our exiled friends abroad.
- Shak.
a. 1. Small; slender; thin; fine.

Carol
celinski   
29 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

escape to America you know and live a life of luxury compared to the one's that stayed.

"Life of Luxury", Please think, this life you describe is just what communist Poland wanted you to believe. No it was not what you were told. What remained of the family (wife, two daughter and one son died) had no choice but to flee. You see "enemy's of the state" were killed if they stayed in Poland. To go to USA you had to prove you had means to support yourself. Try getting off a boat and you can't understand a word anyone is saying. An educated man that does not yet read or write English, work was farming and construction. Not easy jobs when you live with pain from war wounds.

At 51 my Grandfather lost everything he fought his whole life for. No one gave him a thing in the USA. His country he loved and put his life on the line for was gone. No, his farm in eastern Poland was not replaced in the USA. WW1's hero that fought and won independance for Poland "miracle at Wisla" front line. WW2's Ander Army, betrayed again. This utopia you speak of was just that. If the family's you talk of are out there I would love to hear from them. Carol, USA
celinski   
29 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

this is from one person's point of view

Actually the book is a story no one likes to see. My grandfather was in reserve's in eastern Poland. My family was arrested in March of 1940 . Do you know what it's like being a Catholic Pole yet all we hear is Jewish Pole? Respectfully, Carol
celinski   
28 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]

I also know that Poles had some good reasons to distrust/dislike Jews

In eastern Poland Jewish and Ukraine pointed out Polish military family and even assited in arrest/deportation. We shall not go into other actions of Jewish in Ukraine after the majority of Poles were gone. Read the book, "The dark side of the moon".

The Dark Side of the Moon is unique both in its content and time of publication (1946). Begun in 1943, its author, Zoe Zajdlerowa, had access to the official records of the Polish government-in-exile. She, however, wished to remain anonymous, perhaps out of a need to protect relatives in communist Poland. With a comment by Helena Sikorska, widow of General Wladyslaw Sikorski, and a preface by T. S. Eliot, the book covers the essentials of the history of Polish-Soviet relations until shortly after the end of the Second World War, including the formation and installation of the communist Lublin Government. It also depicts in moving language the trials faced by those Poles imprisoned, those condemned to a camp in the Gulag, as well as those simply deported. The political currents underlying the Soviet actions toward Poland as well as the formation of the Polish army under General Anders and of the Polish-Soviet Berling Army are also described. The book thereby gives a comprehensive overview of the fate of Poland from 1939 to 1945.

Isthatu, what on earth did you eat for Christmas dinner?

Carol