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jkb   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

This is true my point however is that if you don't recognise an obvious cliche like promising to "fix the economy" any political discussion would quickly end.

Well obviously. But that's why I'm extending that to the program of this party.

There is not much to comment on in his programme except the usual tea party stuff all dressed up with a bit of theatrics.

Then you clearly do not realize what this party has to offer.
jkb   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Everyone stands in election to "fix the economy" no one stands on a platform to wreck the economy it's a cliche.

The words maybe. But take a look at the program. At least read the bullet points. What he proposes is far better than what anyone else has to offer.

If you don't understand that you have no business discussing politics.

Everyone has business discussing politics, because politics concern everyone's everyday lives.

But then someone who would vote for a whole new movement coincidentally named after the leader and thinks it was a liberating vote is beyond redemption.

I'm the last one to vote for a party just for its name and not what it has to offer instead. What are you basing your assumption on?
jkb   
11 Jun 2013
News / Poles against religious exams in schools [7]

Well it would be concerning if it was. Religion as it's being taught in polish schools in its current form has nothing to do with knowledge. It's rather a catholic indoctrination of our youth. Maybe one day, when the subject is called "study of religions" instead, and receives an objective curriculum containing information about different religions, their history, facts, etc., then one could start thinking about actually making an attempt at testing that knowledge. Just like history and antic culture or study of dance.
jkb   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Palikot's movement no matter which way you slice it is very much to the right of centre probably a little more to the right.

... what? clearly, when it comes to personal freedoms, they are nowhere near being to the right. Read my previous post.

They're Catholic Socialists. And they're harder to the left than any other party in Poland economically.

Exactly! It's like the older part of SLD (stara gwardia) or UP with a strict, religious undertone.

He once ran a Cahtolic magazine Ozon (very good in fact) and later tried to be a poor man's Luther by nailing his declaration of Apostasy to a church door.

A wise man changes his mind, a fool never will. I'm personally happy to see the change.

He is the consummate happening artist and will bring a pig's head or rubber penis to a TV stuido, or knock down shots of vodka on the street as long as TV cameras are whirring nearby

At least he's not spending his third year sick in his own mind trying to prove the myth that Smolensk was a coup d'état.

By the way, who was it that brought an iPad to the Sejm to give a speech? Not Palikot.

I remember that! Hilarious and pathetic. The law doesn't let him speak? Who cares about the law?! *Takes iPad out*.

Vote for Palikot, he seems you're kind of guy.

I'm a kind of guy too!

Yeah, just like world peace.........supported by beauty pageant people.

Right. Anything that's an attempt at fixing current economic situation would be considered cliche, then. Garbage.
jkb   
11 Jun 2013
News / 4th Polish Republic may re-emerge [244]

Can you give actual examples how conservative parties are restricting individual freedom ?

Where do we start lol

How were you negatively affected ? Were you arrested by CBA ?

So, if you were never arrested by SB or any other oppressive branch of PRL, does it automatically mean it was good?
jkb   
11 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

The fact that is a major annoyance while discussing politics is that great majority considers our political scene to be one-dimensional. Being narrowed to just one axis, we can classify many parties as leftist or rightist, that in reality don't have that much in common. A definitely better way of classification is to place a party on a two-dimensional plane, such as this one:

Political compass chart

Known also as Nolan Chart in its variation, allows to classify parties and their views not only based on economic left or right, but also considering how much do they want to restrict people's freedoms (libertarian vs authoritarian).

Since we're discussing Palikot's movement, I can certainly see a lot of postulates that are economically to the right, such as lowering government expenses, limiting the government itself, reduce taxation, reduce costs of employment and self-employment, and so on. On the other hand, you see a lot of postulates that are leaning towards personal freedom, usually characteristic for the before-mentioned one-axis left, such as legalizing soft drugs, deregulating abortion, legalizing gay marriage. So this places Palikot's movement leaning towards the purple area of the chart, which according to its description, is Right Libertarian (Nolan Chart would describe it as both economical and personal freedom). One of the main reasons of Palikot's success in recent election is the fact that no party would fit into that area before. So voters who would like to enjoy their both economical and personal freedoms, having no one to vote for before and feeling unrepresented in the Parliament, suddenly got someone to vote for.

Then think about PiS. People blindly consider them right-wing conservatives. They are definitely conservatives when it comes to personal freedoms, where they would want to restrict everything and anything. However, would a rightist party really bring up postulates such as: progressive income tax, government social spending, free (government funded) education, government funding programs, and so on. That sounds like a party that has a leftist program.
jkb   
11 Jun 2013
News / 4th Polish Republic may re-emerge [244]

Cannot rise above the ad personam gossip level, can we?

I certainly agree with what you say.

I can't see any conservative party allowing ppl to live their life how they want it (please do note I mean ppl that do not harm others).

That's because conservative parties usually think they know better what's good for you...
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / PO-PiS again neck and neck [248]

Exactly. Hence the assumption that there are only very few Polish companies is completely unsubstantiated. An obvious case of demagogy.
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

Precisely. It's much like the Polish Nationalists: lots of people see the stance of the Neo-Nazis and immediately think 'If those cretins are on that side of the argument, I almost certainly am not on that side'.

Plus who in their sane, right mind would want to align themselves with these savages?
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Palikot will never, ever, ever support PiS. And it means your boys will stay in opposition forever!

Right where they belong

Ah you must be a hell of a dwarf if calling somebody little makes you feel better. Delusion of grander right? Doesn't work on me boy I don't care much for morons.

The same applies to you calling everyone else idiots and morons.

honest man?

lol
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / PO-PiS again neck and neck [248]

:D:D:DD:D
for you?

Go and put your money in a polish bank then. You're free to choose whose services to use.

Also, shopping center do not belong to Poles.

Which one? And what's the big deal?
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

I declined and asked her if she was a pisior. Which she of course was. Her reply? "Musisz być obcem".

That's golden :D And so expected from pisiors.

I imagine Gazeta Wyborcza are laughing their heads off at such people - such free publicity!
And let's be honest, if those fools hate it, then it must be good.

They're not saint, but I prefer them so much better than Nasz Dziennik, Rzeczpospolita or other garbage.

Usual rhetoric from followers of the Dear Leader - anyone that isn't with them is somehow 'misguided', 'stupid' and so on.

Spot on.
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

after that the crap was pulled off the polls :)))

Last time I cheked PiS was still shown in all polls, so you must be greatly mistaken here.
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / PO-PiS again neck and neck [248]

KRS only registers certain legal entities (such as sp. z o.o., S.A.) which - in general - operate on a bigger scale and with bigger money than just self-employed owners of corner shops. That's where the number of 22 thousand I provided came from. Even so, Ironside provided something that we could consider proof of around 200 relatively-large companies being Polish. We still do not know anything about the other 21800 companies. Stating that only a few of them are Polish owned is completely unsubstantiated.
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Young and inexperienced. They'll grow up one day hopefully.

And become what PiS supporters have become? No one deserves such terrible fate.
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / PO-PiS again neck and neck [248]

And that proves that a vast majority of Polish companies is not Polish owned how exactly? It's a nice map, but it's quite irrelevant towards the argument. At the very end of 2012, the National Registry held over 22 thousand companies incorporated in Poland:

The number of companies registered in the National Court in 2012 . Highest in eight years in Poland area.

Between January and mid-September 2012 . , Based in NCR , more than 22,000 companies. Most of them , as many as 6.8 thousand , started its activity in this region.

So far you more or less proved 200 of them are Polish owned. We know nothing of the remaining 21800.
jkb   
10 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

The man has lost 14 elections and has lost at least 6 elections since 2007 (if not more, I lost track) - and you still think he's capable of winning?

A natural born loser :)

even PiS-SLD is not impossible

Even PiS-PO-PSL-RP-SLD is not impossible.

Grzegorz_: however your expatish certainty that they will not make it is amusing
It's a certainty that is shared by the majority of Polish people.

Even if they win, as in, get the largest piece of cake, good luck forming a government. PiS would be the largest party in Sejm and forming the opposition. What a shame :)

Harry: Which is why I said that PiS need 45%, not 50%.
I'd argue that the 45% that you reference would include the votes from the PSL.

You guys forget about one thing. The fact that a party gets 45% of popular vote doesn't mean they'll get 45% of all seats. The might as well get the required majority. Our current system promotes bigger parties. For instance, in 2011 PO received around 39% of popular vote, yet got 45% of seats. On the other hand, Palikot got slightly over 10% of popular vote, and only 8,7% of seats.

They lost ~14% since the last elections, the rest is just your wishful thinking.

Are you quoting polls? They have been proven to be useless so many times in the past, so quoting them is basically like telling others to come and laugh at you. I still remember 2011 polls giving Palikot 1-2% of popular vote :)

~+7% over the last 6 months, the trend is clear and there are +2 years left, hopefully Tusk will not run away with early elections.

In other words, the statistics clearly show that PiS are headed straight for another defeat. Shall we predict Greggy's excuses now?

Or maybe in 2 years the situation will change so much that the left will come to power again? Look at SLD with 15%, quoting the polls you guys like so much. Look at Europa+, which has estimates of around 25% of popular vote, yet again, by polls. Polls show that the society is getting sick of the right movements and slowly leaning towards the left again. It's really a bit too early to predict anything, 2 years before the election.
jkb   
9 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

jkb: you sound jealous

and you seems to be new here

I am pretty new here, yes.

jkb: You mistake this forum with your own personal filth-filled gutter.
Ask old members if it worthwhile to pick on me?
By the way is that your famous argument? weak like your intellect.

Well, I don't need to ask anyone. You have already proven you lack skills to formulate reasonable arguments, and whatever you say is either funny or pathetic, rather than logical. Spiteful in most cases. A funny little man.
jkb   
9 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

Probably the one he had been sticking up his own ass.

you sound jealous

delphiandomine: Palikot supporters tend to be young, educated and
criminal records.

Yes, Palikot supporters tend to be criminal records indeed.

Told you already that you don't know what you are talking about. You mistake anarchy with freedom and stupidity with modernity.

You mistake this forum with your own personal filth-filled gutter.