Polonia / Anyone travelling from Warsaw to New Delhi willing to take some of my belongings (photos)? [30]


Sweetheart, the chances of anyone being as daft as that (i.e. taking a package belonging to someone else on an airplane) are as good as zero. And so they should be. This sort of "kindness" in the past, has ended people up in jail on drug trafficking charges or even blown up at 40.000 feet.

For your information: it is even illegal to take something with you on board that belongs to someone else.

So I suggest you already plan for a different way to get your package, cause I am sure there won't be anyone on PF who will do you the favour.

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]


Just from the point of view of a foreigner: sometimes it gives quite ridiculous results. A couple of months ago I saw some advert in Wroclaw. It said something about James Bond and because it was declinated, it said "Jamesie Bondzie" and if you pronounce it in English (or Dutch) you end up with "Jamesy Bondzy", which doesn't sound macho at all ... ;).

For a foreigner it is really weird to see proper names being declined. It sometimes even gives rise to problems with regard to determining the correct sex of someone. For example, for most of us a name ending in -a means the person is a woman ... in Polish one can be completely wrong-footed ... ;).

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

May I remind you, Grzegorz, that it is Poles who willingly go and work abroad? You make it sound like "the West" comes over to Poland and snatches people from their homes. Don't make it anymore dramitic than it actually is, will you?

You forgot to mention IKEA by the way. I heard that it celebrated its 50th or 60th birtday a couple of weeks ago. Can I remind you also, that all of these companies employ a lot of Polish people, like LG/Philips in Wroclaw for example. Or Raben transport, to name just another Dutch company. Hey... if you don't like these companies ... then boycot them and buy your stuff at your local Piotr I Pawel or Zabka or any other Polish store.. It's your perogative to do so. But remember that these foreign companies employ thousands of Polish workers as well, also in very well-paid jobs.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

Just one last thing.

For those Poles who feel screwed by their Dutch employer or knows people who think they are, there is a leaflet written by the Dutch government.

It tells you what your rights are regarding minimum wage.

Maybe it helps people who are thinking of working over here without running the risk of falling victim to lousy employers.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


Sorry it is in Dutch, SeanBM, but I will translate the relevant passages:

ontslag-krijgen.nl/voorwaarden-voor-een-ww-uitkering.html:

1) you have to be insured against unemployment through your employer (which is pretty standard)
2) you have to be unemployed (which is obvious)
3) you have to be immediately available to accept work
4) in de period before your unemployment you have to work at least 26 of the 36 weeks, not necessarily fulltime; even if you have worked only one day in this last 26th week, it counts as a whole week. If you are an artist, filmmaker, musician or support technician (I guess in the art world), you only have to work 16 weeks of the last 36 weeks before you became unemployed.

5) you don't get unemployment benefit if you became unemployed due to a fault of your own (like theft from your employer, fraud, physical violence, or when you handed in the notice yourself).


As I mentioned before, warszawski ... when you want to start your own limited company (BV), you can be the only shareholder. Only in case of a PLC (NV in Dutch) you need at least two shareholders.


Sorry ... I did become a little nasty to you. I am sorry for that.

Thank you warszawski ... I come back to you at the beginning of September to ask you about importing a car from Germany, cause I gather you are quite an expert in that. I'd like to make use of your experience. Take care.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

Whatever warszawski, think what you like.

You were wrong on multiple fronts, you know it, but you don't want to accept it.

And you were wrong about this limited company as well, and all the rest for that matter.

Go one and live in your little world full of your preconceived ideas. You have never lived here, know probably one or two Dutch people (if at all), have never had any (long) discussions with them, never studied the country and its society, etc ... etc ... etc ... .

Well done, warszawski. I will let you win the argument. You should be proud of yourself.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

Sorry SeanBM, yes I was wrong about BP ... mea culpa!

Geert Wilders is someone who just voices some opinions that really originated after 9/11. Every muslim was a terrorist. He's a populist as there are populists in many different countries. I don't care much about his views, but I do think he should be allowed to say what he thinks, and not be prosecuted because of it.

I don't worry, SeanBM. When people who have never studied a country as such, or have never lived there for a substantial amount of time, start passing moral judgements, the only thing I do is laugh at them. I will try to educate them a little and if they don't accept that, then I will just let them be and hope they will be happy with their delusions.

Narrow-minded people are everywhere I guess. One can only try so much as to try to enlighten them, but if they choose to keep to their unfounded preconceived opinions, then let them be ... . I know better.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

Warszawski ... please !!



From 2001 to 2003!!!!!!!! The world has changed!!!

Come on ... how stupid do you think I am. You really think I wouldn't read it?!?!.

Wrong again, warszawski!! :D:D

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


No, you can set up a limited company with only you as a shareholder. Again ... you are wrong. For a joint stock company you need at least two. Otto Workforce is a limited company (ottoworkforce.eu/nl/over-ons-bedrijf-otto/over-otto/otto-raadv ancommissarissen: "Sinds 2008 kent OTTO Holding BV een Raad van Commissarissen...".

One of the operational directors is Karolina Swoboda, a Pole. So as I said ... a Polish woman exploiting her own countrymen and women.


You yourself said on page 3 of this thread:


I showed you it wasn't. Wrong again. Besides ... you should also remember the time in which this was what you call a hit, namely around the Carnival-period in the south of the Netherlands. Therefore it was a "sing along". Again, warszawski, you know nothing about our society, therefore you should refrain from making moral judgements.

We have the same kind of songs and cabaret about Germans, English, Belgians, French, etc ... etc ... etc ... . This discussion is on the same level as we had on this forum before about people feeling insulted about some television programme. You know how I think about that.


It isn't racist at all ... I didn't know Poles were a race on their own.
I am sure that there is some Polish song or cabaret ridiculing Germans, Russians, or whoever. And that one wasn't banned either. So you are wrong again.


Try to educate yourself who is doing the anti-semitism in the Netherlands and then come back to me again.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

I am ... look at my discussions with warszawski.

The thing I am hammering on is that if people don't know enough about some topic, they should refrain from passing moral judgements. I don't live in Poland (yet), so I will not give a moral judgement about Polish societal issues.

You and warszawski don't have the full picture what is hapening over here, so I suggest you adopt the same policy. Warszawski claimed this "song" was a hit: it wasn't. He claims that OTTO is in the hands of a Dutch national, but he forgets to mention that his wife is the other shareholder and she is Polish, in #23 he claims we have problems with Russians, which we don't. Or with former yugoslaves, which we don't. He was wrong about the terms of our social welfare system, he didn't know which companies were Dutch multinationals, about long term illness figures, he tries to show with a couple of extreme cases that the whole of the Dutch labour market is unfair and such, and I can go on and on and on.

Do you see me commenting about the Polish welfare system? Or even Polish labour market? No. Because I don't know anything about it. So therefore it is wise for me to shut up and listen. The same goes for you guys when passing moral judgements about things happening over here.

With my limited experience on the Polish labour market I would be inclined to say that it is EASY to find a job. I wrote ONE application letter, I got two interviews, a psychological test, they hired me and the pay is more than good. So when someone says to me that it is difficult to find a job and that the pay is crap, I would be inclined to say (with my EXTREMELY limited experience) that what they say is not true. Instead I know that my experience is limited and probably not representative and I choose to keep quiet.

Only a wise man knows when to shut up ... think about it for a minute.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

That's a good one coming from you!! Joke of the day!!

Another one who is completely clueless trying to comment about something he knows nothing about.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


Warszawski ... would you please stop talking about something you don't know anything about?! Please!!!!

It wasn't a hit!!

Don't believe me?! In the Top 40, more than TWO years ago, it was in the charts for 20 days, with a highest position of number28 on 09/02/2008.

Please ... you have been claiming all kinds of stuff, which are simply not true.

And why? Cause you don't know enough about the Netherlands. As I have been saying again and again: the reason why I don't comment about Polish society is because I don't know enough about it; I don't live there (yet) so it is wise for me to shut up and just listen.

I am sorry, warszawski, but you should do the same! You don't live here, you claim all kinds of stuff which for me are easily refutable and even for you if you had cared to check google for "top 40 bussie vol met Polen".

Now stop commenting on something you don't know enough about. Again ... it doesn't become you.


And what you conveniently forget to mention is that his wife is the other shareholder. And his wife is Polish. Want to see another office of OTTO workforce? Have a look in Wroclaw along the A4.

In other words ... a Polish woman exploiting her OWN country men and women.

Now ... warszawski ... stop being economical with the truth!!!

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

Fvck you, IS ... you are lying as usual.


And what do you claim this means? Try to write some legible English for a change.


And this? Still no explanation, nutthead.

Travel / Driving to Poland from England - any tips? [264]


Think about the following:

From Huddersfield to Wroclaw is about 1.650km (just over 1.000 miles) and it will take you about 18 hours or so. Calculate the fuel ... about 1l/12km let's say. So that is about 280l of fuel or about 450 euro (that's only the travel to and from Wroclaw).

Now ... from Huddersfield to Doncaster is about 55km. Return tickets for you, your wife and your kids from Doncaster directly to Wroclaw is about 260 euros and takes 2 hours and 10 minutes (see wizzair.com). And they fly three times a week. Book at least 6 weeks in advance.

Now consider renting a car in Wroclaw (for example express.pl). A decent car sets you back 25 euros a day, and about 15 euros to have it delivered at the airport and another 15 to have it picked back up at the airport.

Do the maths. And look at the time and effort you safe. And this time and effort is worth some extra bob as well, isn't it - your time is also money. I hope you see what I mean ... ;).

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


Read sunshine, read ... I know it is difficult for you. I said before that they don't particularly target Poles at the moment but Bulgarians and Rumanians, who are still restricted from coming over to work in the Netherlands.


You obviously don't know what you are talking about :D. The pot calling the kettle black?! A farmer sells his milk to a dairy factory (let's just say that the milk is sold to be drunk and not to make cheese, because then the price on the worldmarket comes into view). The dairy factory sells it to the supermarket and that's it. There is no such thing as middlemen practices.

Please guys, if there is something about another country you don't know the details about, just ask. And I or other people here will be happy to give you the answer. There is nothing wrong with not knowing anything about a subject ... there really isn't. But if you don't know anything about a country, or, like in this case, about how the "milk market" in a certain country works, just shut up, will you?!.

I will never say anything about Polish society, politics or whatever. Or Polish meat quality control. Or Poland's use of antibiotics in growing animals. Why? Cause I don't know anything about it, so it is wise for me to keep quiet. If I have a question, I will first ask my wife and if she doesn't know the answer I will look for information elsewhere, maybe even here.

Personal comments removed.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


Sorry, Seanus ... but as you know there is a difference between the parliament and a lone minister in government.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


It has nothing to do with "some quarters". They are a minority of cases. And ... please don't forget that there are a lot of Polish employment agencies over here that are NOT registered (and will therefore be closed down not before long) which are exploiting there OWN.


I have to agree with you, to be honest. The longer a migrant worker is in a certain country and has therefore also paid fees and contributions to social security (!!) the more "right" that person has to "enjoy" the social security system.


At the moment we are not even talking about the Poles anymore, but about Rumanians and Bulgarians who come here to work illegaly. They don't have the same rights as Poles (yet).

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]



Of hundreds and hundreds of cases where there is nothing wrong, you have to single out a couple. I wonder why so many Poles come here to work ... it must be absolutely horrific :D:D.

So ... to follow your own way of reasoning ...

I've noticed that some Poles on this forum are morons, should I therefore conclude that ALL Poles are morons?

I've noticed that some Poles murder eachother on Dutch camp sites. Should I therefore conclude that ALL Poles murder eachother on camp sites?

Etc ...

Warszawski ... you have been digging your own grave and it gets deeper and deeper ... :D. I sugest you stop before you fall in :D.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


No ... not true.


Again ... not true:
statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publication/?DM=SLNL&PA=71737NED&D1=0&D2=3-4,10-11,13,17-18,21-22,26-28,32&D3=4,9,14,19,24,29,l&HDR=T,G2&STB=G1&CHARTTYPE=1&VW=T

It is actually going down. Care to show me Polish figures ... :D?

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

So now you are changing the subject ... :D.

Long term sickness: first year 100%, then 70%.

If you are still ill after 2 years, then you are entitled to welfare for the longterm sick.

No ... we don't have a problem with longterm sick people. And that even although we don't have to produce a note from the doctor when we are ill. Just call your employer before 0930 and tell him that you are ill. In most cases your employer will wish you a speedy recovery and leave it at that. Officially a doctor will visit you at home, but it never ever happened to me.

Only in a very few cases do we have problems with fake illness and that is mainly the day after a football final during EC's or WC's. Especially when we played late or when the championships are in some far away place. So in 2012 we won't have any problems, but in Brazil, be sure that quite a lot of people are "ill" next morning.


Didn't know we had a problem with Russians in NL ... :S

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


So obviously you only know 40%

It has NEVER EVER been 90% ... .

Again ... don't talk about things you know nothing about. It doesn't become you!!

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]

These are Dutch companies, warszawski. Dutch multinationals.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


Not true. It is 70%.

Please ... warszawski ... I never talk about things happening in PL cause I don't know enough about it. Please stop talking about things you know nothing about.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


Really ... so no Shell, BP, Unilever (Hellman, Axe, Dove, Knorr, Lipton, Cif, Rexona, Bertolli), Philips, Saab, Randstad, Heineken, Grolsch, Air France KLM, computer chips (ASML), TNT, or anything DSM makes??!! :D:D:D.

Think before you speak, warszawski ... ;)


And that is what I AM talking about.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


I'm in ... ;)


Wrong, warszawski ... it's the other way round. German, Belgian and Dutch farmers are in a squeeze because of the flooding of milk by farmers from across the former Iron Curtain.

News / 2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan [118]


I'm sorry, but I can't see anything wrong with that.


As I wrote earlier on PF, I've found a new job in Poland. I will start on June 1st. You know what? I have already been accused by someone of stealing jobs from Polish people ... and I haven't even started yet :D. These comments are typical for simple minded people. There is the possibility of finding a job abroad, and there are plenty of jobs out there, even for a 44-yr old ex-officer who has never done anything else than being in the army. And the simple-minds will ALWAYS accuse a foreigner of stealing jobs from them (mostly while they are sitting on their arses doing nothing).


We are in the EU ... Poland as well ... like it or not. Open markets. If you don't like it, next time when you go to the polls, find yourself a party that wants to quit the EU and vote for them. But I guess that'll be a hell of a problem ... ;)

Life / $3,000-$4,000 a month - would we have enough money to live in Poland? [273]

I'm very sorry for your (wife's) loss. Good luck and a lot of strength in the days, weeks, months ahead.

Take care of yourself and try to give your wife as much support as she needs.

News / "Poland is flourishing" [62]


The only reason why PL grew was because of the zillions of euros they got in subsidies. Fortunately NL and UK are against raising the EU-budget and I hope they will stick to it. Let's see whether PL is able to keep growing after the money from the EU dries up.

News / Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)? [157]


See ... the guy who calls himself German, obviously doesn't know "his" country's history. Or the old man forgot. The first "Gastarbeiter" were Italians from 1956 onwards, after the first "Anwerbeabkommen" (or recruitment agreement) between the then Bundesrepublik Deutschland and Italy of December 20th 1955.

This one was followed by similar agreements with Spain and Greece (1960), Turkey (1962), Marocco (1963), Portugal (1964, the millionth "Gastarbeiter", Armando Rodrigues de Sá, a carpenter, came from there and was congratulated on the Cologne-Deutz railway station and was given a bunch of flowers, a diploma and a Zundapp moped), Tunisia (1965) and Yugoslavia (1968).

In 1973, after 4 million foreign workers had already settled in Germany there was actually a stop in recruitment because of the oil crisis.

Ah well ... I guess we are used to his factual inaccuracies.

News / British man accused of molesting teenagers in Poland [74]

I know ... but there was this geezer who claimed that he was not allowed to take up the matter with his Dutch colleagues. I found it strange when I saw it at the time, but I can't imagine the guy just says such things only to cover his six.