Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]

He for one. And no he wasn't, why would you think he was?

And I loved that word in this context because as you said yourself, you have to get it to a small kid when they still believe what's been told.


It seems that might be a problem as more and more people don't baptise their kid and don't sign them for religion classes.

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]

Of course there is.

I can tell you stories of people who stopped praying in exactly the same circumstances. My grandpa never prayed or visited a church after war.

And I love that you used the word indoctrinated. Suits precisely.

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]


True, but if I see hypocrisy in someone who tries to preach me it makes their words fake. Besides, it was only the first step.


How can I think I'm smarter from something that I don't believe exists?

But anyway, my own attitude towards God and church doesn't affect the position of religion in Poland at all

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]

Johnny- I don't care about quotes from Bible. For you it's important, for me it's just a book

And I moved away from the church because first I saw the hypocrisy and then I started to disagree with certain things to finally realise I don't believe in God.

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]

So in my case it's only my perception , but with you it's the devine truth? Lmao

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]

Religion is school is bad because religion doesn't go too well with obligation like that. Plus the priests are not often capable of capturing the teenegers attention. While some teachers of other subjects struggle with it too the difference is noone expects a high school graduate to attend weekly reading club, believe and follow his teachers claims on how to live their lives and definately doesn't expect them to regularly donate money. Church does.

And while of course few students dropping classes doesn't affect the church in the slightest but it's just one of few things that together lower the effect church has on the society.

Our priest managed to get 8 students drop classes and more wanted to but listened to their parents and stayed. In one year. It wasn't enough in this case but if such trend continued it means less hours, lower pay...

And while I agree with you that a lot of people attended church without deep belief I think they still do. But even just that hurts the church. Less parishioners means less money, less influence


Seriously? I would say that they are conservative compared to the rest of society. Very much so. Recently talking about 'rainbow plague' for example. And if you were right and they are pleasing the general public how comes it's the complete opposite?

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]

No, because you:
- don't think there is any problem with the church position (how we can find causes for something that doesn't exist acording to you)

-find excuses for everything (students shouldn't have doubts and challenge anything because they should study it the way they do with physics and priests are under no obligation to actually pull students towards them)

-think bishops are influenced by PRL so we shouldn't criticise, point out mistakes or try to think of the way they could change
- don't seem to think that it pushes people away if a priest instead of preaching about religion tells them who to vote for.

We are speculating here of course but the church statistic would suggest less people care about the church and you didn't give any alternative as to why that is.

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]

Thank you for taking part in this discussion. You clearly show with your behaviour what I mean.

tarnow.naszemiasto.pl/coraz-mniej-powolan-kaplanskich-w-tarnowie-tez-ale-i-tak-tu/ar/c1-7319691

This article show how callings for priesthood dropped. If this trend carries on soon there will be problem with parishes without a priests.

"Z danych GUS natomiast można wyczytać, że od początku lat dwutysięcznych regularnie spada odsetek udziału małżeństw wyznaniowych wśród zawieranych związków.

Spadek ten wynosi aż 10 proc. Z perspektywy Kościoła niekoniecznie pocieszające jest, że w pewnych stopniu odpowiada za to popularność rozwodów i ponownego wchodzenia w związek małżeński."

Okopress

You may think what you want but it seems church is getting weaker. And the trend is definitely downward.


And Catolicism is not being promoted? Funny. They have radio and TV, regular holiday connected to their message, classes in school few times a week, social norm...Seems like a pretty good network to me.

Life / Importance of Religion in Poland [187]


The thing you and the priests miss- religion is not physics. It's based on belief and because of that dogma is really secondary. If you don't capture people's heart, that's it. And let's be honest, even priests educated in all that have doubts and struggle with certain realities.

If the priests carry on that way people will drop classes andadd to the trend of church loosing parishioners.

Everybody was affected by PRL- why should it be an excuse for bishops? And even then the fact still remains that it pushes people away from the church.


I answered it few words down giving you example of Rydzyk. He is clearly meddling with politics.


You see we have something called the separation of state and churche. While the priest is allowed to have his views trying to influence the politics from ambona is theoretically a no no. It does annoy quite a lot of people, especially if they don't vote for the party the priesr wants.

So now tell me what is your explanation for the slow downfall of the church?

Travel / Requirements for bringing a Dog into Poland [30]

The company has regulation saying how you can transport your pets and they can ask you to leave if you don't conform, simple as that.

News / Commemoration of 80th anniversary of the outbreak of the WWII in Warsaw. Poland a full-fledged NATO member. [30]

Your complain was about nobody mentioning the speeches of the German and American presidents and even though I watched the ceremony I don't see any big deal. More fuss was made about Duda's speech. And while I was talking about VWP I wasn't talking about any silly political promises but about what seems to be waiting around the corner. Data suggests we may reach the requirements. Doesn't matter to me but will help some other Poles

News / Commemoration of 80th anniversary of the outbreak of the WWII in Warsaw. Poland a full-fledged NATO member. [30]

I would say you go for emty words instead of real things. Like some speech on celebration that changes nothing to real changes in law ( visa waiver program).

But if you disagree please give me real life result from those two speeches.

News / Commemoration of 80th anniversary of the outbreak of the WWII in Warsaw. Poland a full-fledged NATO member. [30]

But it's still just a ceremony. And an American talking about God is pretty standard.

US teoops in Poland is nothing new either. Even some accidents caused by them where discussed on PF.

All in all not much to discuss imo.

News / Commemoration of 80th anniversary of the outbreak of the WWII in Warsaw. Poland a full-fledged NATO member. [30]

Such commemoration happens every year. While nice and all it doesn't have too much of an impact on everyday life.
Visas on the other hand will make a difference to quite few Poles who could visit their relatives etc with much less hassle. Not a big deal for me but compared to ceremony that happens every year ...

And what exactly do you mean by the NATO thing?

Food / Barszcz czerwony recipe (Beetroot Soup) [48]

We have barszcz z uszkami but the uszka are mushroom filled. Never had them with meat.

Food / Barszcz czerwony recipe (Beetroot Soup) [48]

Oh yeah, Christmas is coming. Time for my favourite meal of the year :)

Language / WHY THE HELL CANT I LEARN POLISH?? [64]


Let us know once you reach that level so we can compare your system to theirs

Life / Air shows in Poland are annoying [23]

And Doug is phisically incapable of being content and happy.

And are you also advocating banning helicopters and other planes from flying above the cities?

Life / Air shows in Poland are annoying [23]

Safety is a different matter. But since we let other planes and helicopters fly over cities I'm not sure if banning just air shows would increase safety that much.

And lets be honest- you would love nothing more than to tell us 'I told you so'

Life / Air shows in Poland are annoying [23]


Or maybe they are not professional complainers like you and maybe even enjoy the show?

You said yourself it's few times a year and I'm sure they finish at sensible hour. Chill out

Life / Air shows in Poland are annoying [23]

Buahaha, I'm sure they are scared already.

It always surprised me people live in cities and rhen complain about the noise of public events. Want peace and quiet- move to the country site.

History / Why do schools teach "The battle of Warsaw" but not "the history of communist Poland?" [16]

One, lets remember that this is the last bit of Polish history and as such quite often gets scipped due to time running out. For Pete's sake, sometimes even the end of WW2 is being rushed through

Two, Maf makes a great point. How to talk about when the society is so devided about those issues.

Life / Why are young Poles turning away from Church and religion? [25]

No Crow. Really, not.

Life / Why are young Poles turning away from Church and religion? [25]


I don't think you have to remember the 10 commandments at all, you just have to follow certain, quite universal, moral rules. Not to mention that as soon as you stop with the church thing you can throw the first three out of the window.


Do you pay attention to the shaman' vision or some buddist monk's predictions?

Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]


I saw it often enough on my own tests so I should know:)

I have no idea about the new pic...

Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]

Failed irregular verbs :)

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


Seriously? That's one of his most coherent and on topic posts!

Genealogy / Polish blood only makes up 1% of your "Polishness" [77]


Actually you are mixing citizenship with being resident of Poland (with English terminology I would have to check but besically the country that is your dominating place of living). And it does change things. Both legally and how much you know about realities of living in said country.

In your situation you would be recognised as a Pole living abroad (legally being resident in USA)

Genealogy / Polish blood only makes up 1% of your "Polishness" [77]


Polish government?

Life / Masculinist movement needed in Poland? [26]

In my opinion any self respecting feminist should fight for the rights of man where needed e.g. childcare. While abusive man should be separated with all the force good fathers shouldn't face any discrimination.