History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


Come over and you will see :) Euro2012 is a good chance for everyone to check it out. It is a beautiful city in western Ukraine, rich in culture, traditions, cafes, museums, theaters, cobblestone,chestnut trees, universities, 755 year-old history and beer tradition of 300 years to be celebrated in 4 years. Above all Lviv residents and Ukrainians in general are very welcoming.

MediaWatch, you should definitely visit it. I know you won't regret it :)

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


What age has to do with the topic, Irony, my dear? I am trying to be nice as you see. I have to poke you with a stick to your ribs to bring senses into your youth. This is not a big talk. I am not interested even in a single square meter of Polish land. But I will rip your throat out for a piece of mine. So, shut the hell up and see you in 2012 for beer in L'viv.

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


They will not get L'viv even if they give up the whole Poland and drown in the Baltic sea :)


If you keep chatter like you do, I think we will be able to persude them to change their stance on Posen an other places :)


What is Polishness in your sense? To be an as*-hole and stir the international rumble?For me Polishness is being nice neighbors with Ukrainians.

Off-Topic / Countries and your associations in 5 words/descriptions. [56]


It is an interesting point. I wonder how he felt back then surrounded by Czechs, Polish, Slovaks, Slovenians, Ukrainians and what not. Probably, lonely and abandoned. Really sad ;)


Quite unique observations you've got, southie :)

Off-Topic / Countries and your associations in 5 words/descriptions. [56]


Damn, I am ashamed :0)) But in regards of Hitler - he had German citizenship, didn't he?


I thought Poland was the one behind on building stadiums :) We don't give up. Euro2012 would be grand.

Bielorus: nice people, potatoes, crazy Lukashenko, Brest, Bilowezh Forest/bisons.
Georgia: wine, Tbilisi, Revolution of Roses, mountains, ancient culture.
Ukraine: Lviv cafes/music/architecture, Crimea/Goths/vacations, castles/Cossacks/UPA, Kyiv Lavra/Dnieper river, wheat/sunflowers/bees/Trypillian culture.

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


Before that happened somebody had to stick them together.


Warsaw was a part of Austria before WWI and part of Germany after 1939. So, what are you saying? Why not make examples of your beloved state and touch beautiful Lviv? I don't understand.


I am not. Just peppering you with some "fury and anger" :)


I drink melissa and take heart drops every time I am on Polish forum ;)

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


You got that right and the price would be such that you might forget about Peremyshel, Holm, Jaroslaviv and other cities which are Poland now. Be happy with what you have or otherwise you'll bring on Poland what your ancestors did with their retarded greed back in the old days.


Then stick Poland into a third German federation state or become a department of France. What is holding you back? The bigger the better, right?!


That is no true. We will say that by having it tattooed on our ar*ses :)


I have relatives born in Warsaw and Danzig. So? When these will be mine? Such a childish talk.


Take care of your head so it doesn't split from assumptions.

Off-Topic / Countries and your associations in 5 words/descriptions. [56]

Why off-topic? I posted in the wrong section, but it is interesting how others view Poland and other states and Polish see the others.

News / Germany provoke Poland using Silesian question. Poland's attitude ? [124]


I know, Crow. But why only a moment? :)

News / Germany provoke Poland using Silesian question. Poland's attitude ? [124]


I am surprised, Torq, that you didn't figure it out earlier ;)

History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

I found my favorite Polish site "Kresy" ;) and there was an article in regards to Khotyn battle of 1621:


Quick translation: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth made an alliance with the Cossacks in the face of the danger from the Ottoman empire...Ukrainian Cossacks - 40,000, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - 25-26,000.


Translation:
The major role in the defense of Khotyn was played by Polish-Lithuanian infantry, supported by the Zaporizhian infantry in the camp. The Cossacks also faced the major heat of the battle. They repulsed 5 out of 10 Turkish attacks. They also made multiple night raids which ended with heavy Turkish losses. When the disease made it difficult for Chodkiewicz (Polish commander) to continue and he was thinking to leave the battlefield, Konashevych-Sahajdachnyj (Ukrainian commander) strongly demanded him to hold the positions. On his intervention only the line of defence was reduced. When Chodkiewicz died the Cossacks made another raid to show the Turks that the death of the leading commander is not going to undermine the spirit of the army.


Tr.:In the course of the peace-talk conduction with the Turks, the Polish delegates refused to abandon the Cossacks and gain for their heads better conditions of the peace negotiations. The delegates described the Cossacks as "our friends". The details of the signed treaty were not favourable for the Cossacks though. The Commonwealth forced the Cossacks to withold from making maritime raids against Turkey as well as Crimean Tatars against raids on Kresy (mostly western Ukraine and Belorus). Disappointed the Cossacks left the camp, not waiting for the gratitude and celebration of the victory. It was the last allied battle of Polish and Cossack forces of this scale. It gave the Cossacks with no doubt the feeling of power and own capabilities. In their proposals directed to Zygmunt III it was clearly seen that they will be striving to establish own state. They also demanded the equal rights to the Orthodox faith, agreement on living in the szlachta and royal wlosciach (quarters?) without the necessity of the vassal obligations. They also demanded to be allowed to be recruited as mercenaries by other monarchs. And at last the withdrawal of the Crown army from the Kyiv wojewodstwo (administrative region surrounding Ukraine's present capital of Kyiv). Their proposals were not accepted, which ended badly for Polish-Ukrainian brotherhood of weapon.

kresy.pl/kresopedia,historia,rzeczpospolita?zobacz/bitwa-pod-chocimiem-1621

I know that this is one of your so-called "baits" to write a two-word nonsense and wait for my great effort in translating articles written in your own language. But I am not trying to persuade you. You are a history student, not me. Instead of wasting time on stupid games you might as well put in, maybe, some interesting thoughts which don't involve words like "monkeys", "serfs" and "we alone did everything".

To say that battle of Khotyn 1621 was Polish victory where


is simply to be one of the many "historians" out there. It is so difficult, though, to find sober and honest ones.
On the other hand, I found out about another Khotyn battle in 1673 where nevertheless the forces participated were Polish-Lithuanianarmy against the Ottoman empire.

History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]



So have of the allied army were Ukrainian Cossacks.

History / Forgotten crime from Soviet occupation period - an article from Rzeczpospolita [6]

Thank you, Robert, for posting this article. It is hard to imagine that type of barbarism that KGB and the communists in general perpetrated against people. Most of those whom they murdered were political prisoners who had families, wives, kids, husbands.

News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]

Gruni, you obviously misread me. I said:


Those kids are born Lithuanians, not Poles. They might have Polish heritage, but their Fatherland is Lithuania. This is where their loyalty is - point. Parents are free to teach kids whatever they do about their Polish culture, but not to the point of undermining their kids' patriotism towards Lithuania. All the BS some Poles raise in regards of last names written Polish way or signs in international Polish language is too much and doesn't bring good to the Polish-heritage kids in Lithuania. I always praise those who upkeep their roots, but one shouldn't cross the line.

News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]

Exactly. It is usually old farts who raise the smoke over young heads. It'll pass.

History / Why does the idea of a "Slavic Union" with Poland seem so popular on this site? [96]


Because losers always try to invent something to stick to: unions, shackles, serfdom. They need someone's hand to lick, someone's **** to suck. "Slavic Union" idea was born from laziness and will to control by one and will to stand on the knees by others. People united by something other than money and mutual profit, for example, by retarded ideas of R1a or Y2K or any other combination of letters, "common blood" and other crap are destined to what the Slavs already went through. It seems history indeed doesn't teach some at all.

News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]


For 5 centuries? What kind of parents raise a distrophic child like that? If that child is to live in a country he was born in, then why in the hell not teach him the culture of the birthplace, besides their own fairytales?


Let them have a kid and the kid might be barely speaking Polish; nothing to say of his kids. Because they have THEIR country and not their parents'.

It is a problem brought upon the Poles themselves: the kids were born in Lithuania. This is their country. You want them to remember their heritage - fine, but don't cross the boundaries: don't make those kids feel themselves foreigners in the country of their birth.

News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]

But they are not Poles. If you are living in a country for 2 or 5 centuries - this is your country!!! Let's say I am a Ukrainian through my parents born in Chili. Then Chili is my country. I respect the traditions of my parents, but at the same time I am a Chilian, above all. If there are some that are incapable of learning language or respecting traditions and culture of the country of birth - then it is their problem and a shrink might be of help.

News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]



Would you, please, expand on this one, PennBoy?

News / Polish journalist's "show trial" Belarus [40]


Me too. Language is a huge factor too.


It is not surprising. People don't feel secure even outside. Anyone can turn out to be a Lukashenko's agent. They follow, like in the communist times, who leaves and where. If those girls are to stay abroad - this is not a problem for them. But they have families back home to think of. This is really horrendous that stuff like that is still going on.

News / Polish journalist's "show trial" Belarus [40]


True, but remember the role the election of JPII as a pope played for Poland? They could have easily elected a traditional Italian and much would have been different. It is just a single example.


That's what I meant.


I will tell you what I heard from a Belorusin lady: people are scared to talk with friends about politics, even at home. Arrests are made for a slight expression of protest towards the regime and people, oftentimes, are not seen again. Some of the leaders of the recent election demonstrations were beaten blue, taken to hospital and then they disappeared. It seems one of the more effective methods to lull the world media by not murdering someone openly, but making them disappear and assuring that the police is "searching" day and night. I don't think that anyone wants to live in fear like that.


It is not. It plays a big role, but is not an exclusive identification factor. One may speak Russian and still identify him/herself with Belorus. Personally, I think the land and its traditions that you are born in is what makes your national identity. In Ukraine there are people who speak Russian, but who are proud Ukrainians and don't see themselves as Russians a bit. They have different mentality, traditions, culture than those from the RF.


Do you think that the Austrians identify themselves as Germans just because they speak German?


It is not as much about the economy, but about the political terror which is imposed on the Belorusins.

History / Pieces of Real Polish History [60]


It is always someone: your mother, then your daughter. Do you have sisters? ;)
Btw, how do you sleep? Ok? If you still have nightmares, try melissa.

News / Polish journalist's "show trial" Belarus [40]


Yep, that's true. These guys have really tough today. I was always surprised by as*holes who come to power and having so much power to change the fate of millions, are dumb enough to shove their intestines with cars, houses and other crap and leave the following mark in history: So and so - president, as*hole, tragedy of its people.


Why not? Were not political dissidents of Poland supported during the communism by the people from outside?


I agree. Nothing changed.

News / Polish journalist's "show trial" Belarus [40]

Nice to see this beautiful change in you, Ironside.
More on a serious note. What do you think is the right way to deal with the situation in Belarus: isolate the country and force it into Russian hands or somehow assist its people without necessarily supporting the regime of Lukashenko? I know a few Belorusins and they are people who cherish the values of democracy, are hard-working and extremely welcoming and European type of people (if I may say that).

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


And it absolutely is :)


Me too. He seems like a great guy.

Language / Polish and other West Slavonic languages and "pozor vlak" :) [48]

I agree. How a usage of word may denote one's education or social class? Oftentimes, more educated people are interested in the preservation of the language pearls which are unique to a given region, instead of treating everything in relation to the standard. Each word makes language richer.

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]

Thanks a lot, Aphro, L. Buff and Woon - great posts.


I agree ;)


Nope. You will be skinned alive and smoked for a kabanos :)


Yes, or master :)


After a few beers we will kill each other over transliteration ;) We need Woon to cool you down.


Not a bit. Why?


We don't have problems with having multiple "gwary" of Ukrainian language. It makes it more attractive and diverse.

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


Sorry, Aphrodisiac, but I do :) I might have some typical Galician additives, but it doesn't make me more truthful to the language :)
I just would like to make some corrections:
Not everyone on the post-Soviet space is bilingual. I don't speak Russian, although I understand it. The same is true for the rest of my family. And I lived in the SU till I was 12 and my parents till they were around 40. Russian was used in the SU as a language of communication among different nations, but this feature and forceful Russification didn't make everyone bilingual.

Yushchenko in the video speaks very nice Ukrainian. I wouldn't be able to say it better. The region around the upper portion of the Dnieper is considered the true holder of true Ukrainian language (Sumy, Chernigiv and especially Poltava regions), while eastern and western regions like Donetsk or Lviv, respectively, influenced by the neighboring states or historical circumstances (Austro-Hungary, Poland or Russia) and thus cannot really boast the status of the true Ukrainian.


No. I wish they did.
I'll post you some videos, Antek, in which, if you are interested, you would be able to appreciate the most pure version of the Ukrainian language.

I also wonder what part of Poland is considered the true carrier of the Polish.

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


Ok, lie number one.


I asked you to show me EXAMPLES OF TERMINOLOGICAL TERMS which are absent in Ukrainian professional fields and are in Russian. Concrete examples. Concrete words. Not repetition of what you said before. Read more careful of what I asked:


I will be very greatful if you provide me with the answer.