UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

It seems you recalled that all wrong. (And isn't that a fine for each employee?)

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I'm member of a labour Union, and I'm a member of a social liberal political party. (Not really active but still!) I have access to quite some information, and I can honestly tell you that most Polish people aren't happy at all with the way things are going. (In fact, some of them found out they didn't even recieve half of their payment after they had returned to Poland.)


I know many working class people will appreciate it, and they will show their solidarity once they see you're not trying to screw them over anymore, and you can expect people like me to even help you with the protests.


The profits won't go down. Because when more people can spend a bit more, it's going to be about quantity in sales aswell. (I wonder why you're deflecting some of my questions with lame comments about Communism though!) You let these people intimidate you too much really. Where will these Chinese workers go? They aren't EU citizens. Most of the uneducated Chinese people can't even communicate. Where will they live? Do you think the British people will stand for that? No they won't.

Bankruptcy? Don't be such a whiner! As if paying your employees a minimum wage will make you homeless! (We've done that for the past 50 years!) Weren't you the person who said that - and I quote - ''for every winer there is a hundred losers''? But ofcourse your logic doesn't apply when it comes to greedy, a-social little money grubbers who think they're allowed to screw over half the planet. Let me guess, you've had management training and you're hopelessly brainwashed by some business guru?


What makes you think that paying your employees minimum wage - which is peanuts! - will make your company lose the competition? What do you propose to make a company competitive then? Do you want to pay your employees 0.50 € and hour, so they can compete with children in India? What about the rest of your economy? Will people be able to sell anything when no one earns a decent salary anymore? I'll tell you what you can do to make your company more competitive. Work smarter, and fire any manager who demands a ridiculous bonus. They should be more than happy with the salaries they're recieving right now, because they already earn about 60% above average. (Which means they're wealthy, and don't have to worry about a thing financially.)


I'm not advocating isolation, quite the contrary. I'm advocating stronger business partners and wealthy consumers. How about your philosophy? Übermensch: Managers? Üntermensch: Working class?

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Love / Polish men - dont realize any of this [24]

..or much better.

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

Oh, and another gem that is often used by these Scrooges to intimidate the workforce: If we have to pay people more, we will choose for machines. Okay Einstein. Next question: Do machines need maintenance by technically high-skilled workers? Answer: Yes. So bring on the machinery! Which means I will have to ask even more for my qualifications. Thank you.

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


No social liberal will want to make employers poor. Most of us simply advocate mutual benefit, in the best interest of all people.


They don't pay huge taxes, they pay the same taxes as everyone else.


Because? Exactly. Because immigrant workers don't realize they have rights too, and that they should simply refuse to work for such employers. If they all did that, you'd see how fast these employers would turn around and pay you a normal salary. You know that the Polish are officially EU citizens, and they have rights, so they can't be sent home just like that, and they can always file a report to a labour or trade union, and they can always file a complaint to governmential organizations.

It's illegal to work for less than the minimum wage, so Polish people who are exploited should report their employers immediately. In Holland, a farmer got fined for 300.000 € because he didn't treat his Polish workers well. Guess what? The Polish workers also got compensated. It's not like everyone in the government is corrupt you know. Some people actually work there because they feel they have responsibilities. Okay?


Simple question for you: Do you know how cheap beer used to be? Before there were any immigrants? Answer: Much cheaper than it is now.


Yes, I do, because they shouldn't be such a bunch of spineless whimps who are too afraid to lose their already worthless jobs! (I've lost many jobs because I refused to work for a slave-wage, so what? I'm still alive and kicking!) The Polish workers should understand that they have rights as EU citizens aswell, and that they should report it immediately whenever they're being exploited by these Scrooges, simply because it's illegal and against the law. The Polish workers and other foreign workers will also benefit from this in the long run. In fact, every working person in Europe will eventually benefit from this. It's called solidarity. It's called fighting for your rights.

If people refuse to let themselves be exploited, what do you think will happen to these employers if they don't start treating people fairly? Huh? Exactly, they will have to shut down their companies, and you can keep your doom-scenarios about outsourcing and the risk of companies moving elsewhere, because I'm 100% sure that this will leave space for more honest people to start a new company.

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..and slavery.

Love / Polish men - dont realize any of this [24]


That would mean the poor girl's officially deaf to her right ear now? Or do you think she wanted someone to F her brains out?

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


Not really, no. (I know you vieuw anything I say with suspicion, and that's exactly what ticks me off, because I'm talking about showing some solidarity.) The point is that these foreigners should demand a normal wage, they should demand a healthy and reasonably safe working environment, and a normal contract, just like anyone else would. My problem is that most of these guys are undermining people's rights. We fought for our rights, and most of the foreign workers let these employers walk all over them, because they're already happy they earn something! They can return to Poland, and their money will be worth something.


I would like to hear your answer. Do you wish to pay taxes for benefit claims or do you wish to pay taxes for education and progression? (The latter will result in lesser benefit claims eventually, and a possibility of lower taxes for everyone.)

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Did you know that supermarkets make ridiculous profits? They could keep their products just as cheap if they paid everyone their minimum wage, and still make a profit. If you guys want to solve these problems, you should all do whatever a British person would do, instead of exploiting all these flaws in their system at the expense of someone else. We should all get rid of these so-called slave wages. No more undercutting and shady business, and I think everyone wants qualified people for qualified jobs. But if you don't want to fight for your rights or demand a fair treatment, I'm not going to show solidarity with you guys either, because you're keeping the unfair competition alive and kicking! (I understand you want to earn money, but I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from aswell?)


Communists believe in a strong authority and limited freedom. I don't. I believe in strong individuals and freedom. I'm just wondering why some people can't keep it fair, and why they need all these lame excuses to keep other people smaller than them. Because that's exactly what a Communist would do.

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


At who's expense? I never claimed benefits. (Even now I don't!) I've served in the military. I would've given my life for someone else. I'm fine with it if you disagree with me, but I don't think I appreciate your arrogance, and the way you keep talking about people you don't know a thing about..

Parasite this and that, while you've just been lucky someone decided to give you a chance in England. Ignorant twat. You're pretty oblivious to people around you, aren't you?


I'm not waiting for the government. You really don't get it do you? I'm not waiting for something to happen for me, I'm still trying to get a job, anywhere I can, and some people have suggested things and a few people even offered me a job, and in fact, I'm waiting for an answer as we speak. I will jump on the first plane available as soon as I recieve the green light.


You keep comparing all the things I say to Communism. That's just bull. I'm a social-liberal. Which means I'm not ever going to tell anyone what to do. I embrace the idea of freedom, individuality, but I've said it a hundred times and I will say it again, I also believe in equal opportunity. Which means when people can't afford an education because no one is offering them a contract, there's nothing wrong with it to tell them you might have a job for someone. They will still have to do it on their own, but it would be cool if someone would give them a fair chance, and offer them a contract.


Again, that's because people like you obviously like to keep it harsh and simple.


I firmly disagree, simply because you can make or break winners, and even the richest people could be homeless tomorrow. What? Do you honestly think you owe nothing to other people around you? Do you seriously think you've achieved everything all by yourself? No one has ever done anything for you? Your parents never clothed you? Your mother never fed you? No one has ever paid any taxes for you? No one has ever given you a chance to earn some money somewhere?


I'm not talking about caring too much. I'm talking about offering someone a chance to make something out of him or herself, instead of pushing him or her into the benefit system and labelling them as lazy.. Do you honestly think all these people sit on their behinds all day because they love it? I'll be fair and square with you, some people might actually enjoy that lifestyle, but I can assure you that most people who are claiming benefits really want to work and really want to participate in society..

This has nothing to with Communism, and please, lay off the personal insults already, because you're not superiour and almighty just because you're running your own business. Most of my friends are running a business of their own, and it's not like they earn much more than I did as an Electrician. Yes, I've worked for myself, but it's simply not doable anymore due to all the undercutting, so unfortunately I have to start all over and do something else.

At the expense of no one I might add, because I'm looking for a job to support myself, and to realize my own plans. Unlike you, I'll be grateful and also acknowledge that I couldn't have done it without the person who gave me a chance.

I couldn't help but noticing how you've conveniently skipped my last posting, but I think you know it actually costs everyone more money to pay for benefits every year, than to help people to a job.. Now, what's so Communist about that? Someone gave you a job, right?

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Love / Polish men - dont realize any of this [24]



I mean, the girl must feel neglected, she's cuddling up to the wall for crying out loud! Poor girl..

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Love / Polish men - dont realize any of this [24]


I'm afraid I'll have to ruin your dreams again, because you should know it doesn't fit! (Well, maybe yours does!)

xD


I agree, but only because I feel that Doda should come with me..

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


No.


I was talking about the English people there. I don't live in England, so I don't know how I could be your competition?


Let's see, a rich dad? Wealthy friends? Luck? Helping hands? We'll see, because I'm not exactly finished just yet.


I will, but that doesn't mean I won't try to speak up for people who are treated unfairly.


They don't offer a special price, but don't you think it's rather odd they won't allow a group of British people to live in one house and share the rent, but they do allow foreigners to live in one house to do just that?


That's not how it should work in life. See, some agency pushed him, but these agencies wouldn't ever push a Dutch guy who hasn't got any qualifications. In fact, these agencies wouldn't even push a Dutch guy who has all the qualifications! There's just no way in hell that a Dutch guy who's not an Electrician would even get a chance to waste someone else's time like that! But these agencies seem to be successful at pushing such people on our labour market simply because they're cheaper, and in doing so, these people manage to ruin a lot of chances and opportunities for qualified people who should've been working there, and it happens a lot.

There are certain rules, that's life.


Someone who's willing to get him or herself out of a mess, and needs a bit of help to achieve this, isn't a parasite. It's good for you that you've had your opportunities and chances, but you should really keep in mind that some of these ''parasites'' you keep talking about, have also worked in factories where they are no longer welcome, and while they were working, have also paid taxes for *your* education. (And this is no different in Poland!)

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Alright, let's cut it out, because it's pretty obvious that you and me have very a different opinion, but atleast my name ain't Scrooge..

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One last thing for you to consider: You have an estimated figure of 62.041.708 people who are currently living over there. According to the latest statistics, about 7.8% of the people are currently unemployed. This means you have about 4.839.253 people who are claiming benefits. (Officially!) What will cost you more eventually? Keep paying your taxes for all these people, or giving them a chance to educate themselves so they will also pay taxes? (Ofcourse there will always remain a few chronically ill or handicapped people though!)

I don't know about you, but I would like to do myself a favour and help as much people to a job as I could.


What do these people have what I don't have I wonder? Uhm.. They're willing to work for something between two and three pounds an hour? Competition? Yeah right! I'm so going to try to compete with these people! Here, next time you get paid that much, just call this number: 0845 6000 678. You can do it. Grow some balls, speak up for your rights as a worker, show some solidarity with other working people, and help eachother to keep everything fair. You don't want to be treated like a slave either do you?

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


No you don't. Some of the best people aren't working right now, mostly because of incompetent people who are willing to work for less, and willing to risk health and safety for a few coins, and in doing so, they're undermining our rights.


Why? Are you afraid of the competition? (Who also happens to speak and write English far better than yourself?)


It's good you're telling us all about your ideas of solidarity here, because this is exactly what England doesn't need. Ofcourse you know aswell as I do that you don't have to support this man on your own. Only 7.8% (Which are an awful lot of people!) of the total population are currently unemployed, which means 92.2% of the people can do something about that if they share the burden. (Which can't be much per capita!)


Yup, you're reading tabloids.


Cheaper indeed, leave out the faster and more efficient please.


Competition? I'm all ears! But ofcourse these people should pay the same rent for a house or an apartment as the English people have to pay, and then we'll see if they're still willing to work for half the price. Now *that's* competition.


I'm sorry, but they do. (Mostly the guys though, because most of the Polish girls really work hard.) I've worked with Polish guys who didn't even last a morning, and some of them even came in drunk. I've worked with Polish guys who claimed they were Electricians, but they couldn't understand any technical drawings. I'm not trying to bash the Polish workforce here, but you're still making it sound as if you're somehow more competent, and you should know I really wish to dispute this. No hard feelings!

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


Not really. (Communism is more about having a strong government, I'm more about social awareness and individual initiative.)


If there's a job for me by that time, and if it all works out, then I will definitely consider your offer.


Alright, fair enough. (It doesn't work like that over here though!)


Are you sure? I've seen a documentary about jobless people once, and they were talking about 70 pounds a week? (That's not much!)

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


You should keep in mind that I'm a social-liberal. (I believe in competition, but I also believe in equal opportunity.)


I can tell you from personal experience that I can't get anywhere - no matter how hard I'll fight for it - if no one is willing to offer me a contract. But they do let me work for a year and a half everytime, so this means I'm doing a good job. They just don't want to give you a permanent contract anymore. So maybe you could explain something to me then, if I'm such a communist, how the hell people are supposed to pay for an education if they can't even afford their own home? Do you want to call me lazy then? Feel free to ask all the employers I've had how lazy I've been.


You can't afford any of the above when you're on wellfare. (Maybe a cheap flat or an appartment.)


Because no one invests in these people. Most of them are forced to sit home, but you don't get it, do you? (Probably because you're reading those tabloids and magazines all the time!)


Well, I am here, telling you that I am, and I'm one of the many young people who are interested in personal development, but I'm also telling you very loud and very clear why I can't afford a study. (Yet.) Which part of my story didn't you understand I wonder? (My situation is very similar to those situations of people in the UK.)


No, they replaced your local working class, because most employers like the idea of having an endless supply of people they can pay less, and they're even happier when they don't have to promise anyone a contract or anything. You know what I keep hearing where I live? ''We don't have work for you.'' Guess what? If I look out of my window, I can see people work at the same company I called a few times. I have more than enough qualifications for that job.

I hope you'll be aware of the consequences for our future before it all gets out of hand, because at some point it will damage your own community, and when that happens there's no turning back. I'm willing to bet that you'll have more problems than you already seem to have now, but by all means, keep exploiting people and stick your head in the sand when they're trying to talk about a solution.

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Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]


It's simple, if it's not doing much good for people in Holland, I doubt that it'll do any good for people in Poland. What will happen if prices double or triple there, but when most of the salaries won't?


I really, really, really miss my Guilder!

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

If people would just pay someone a decent salary for simple work, and hand out a decent contract (Instead of promising a few months of work every time.) you will see that people will be motivated to work harder and show more loyalty. Why? Because a happy worker is a good worker.

There are more reasons though, just think about what a local worker can do for you when he or she earns a normal salary. He or she will spend more in the local stores, maybe call a plumber or an electrician when something needs to get done, he or she will visit the cinema, buy furniture, go for a drink in the local pub, participate in society..

What you invest in people will come back to you in a different way. As an employer, you might make less of a profit if you pay your people a bit more than the minimum each week, but I'm positive that most of you will easily survive that and will still make profits, and I'm 100% certain that your community will thrive as a whole.


If you're willing to pay your workers when they deliver quality, and you make education and additional training more accessible than it is now, then I'm sure most workers will do something to improve their situation on their own. I really believe that if you make education affordable for certain people, then more of those people might actually consider an education.

You reap what you sow. (It's almost a law of nature!) If you care to invest in people, then in one way or another, people will give you something in return, wether it's service or just positive behaviour in your own community. If all you do is take, take and take from people, then people will have nothing left to give, and they will probably start to feel useless, get depressed or aggressive, or they'll turn into a walking problem..

Some people just don't know what they want to do when they're teenagers, but that doesn't mean that those people will never figure it out. (I figured out that psychology interests me a great deal, and I want to study this, but I somehow couldn't figure it out in the past, but maybe this also had to do with a lack of information and opportunity back then.) That's why I believe education should be fairly accessible for people of all ages, because I believe we have a lot of potential walking around which isn't doing much at the moment.

I can talk untill I'm old and grey though, I'm not the one who's in a position to make any decisions, and I'm willing to take any job to finance my own study. I can honestly tell you that I've never claimed benefits, never recieved any kind of wellfare and I guess I'm stubborn like that! I'm currently jobless and running out of money, but I'm happy to tell you that I still haven't managed to humiliate myself by recieving someone else's money! (I do work the odd jobs on a blue monday from time to time, and I do change a few wires and lightbulbs every now and then, and it does help me to get by.) The reason I'm telling you all these bits and pieces about my story? It's not because I think I'm important, and I'm not looking for attention or anything, I just hope it'll help other people to see that there are young people like me, and I believe they all deserve a chance, because they'll be old and useless before you know it!

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Life / Has anyone in Poland that you know been affected by H1N1? (swine flu) [44]


Smoking, drinking beer, enjoying a slice of Pizza..

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Love / What do Polish guys think of Irish girls? [187]


No, they eventually succumbed to the Vatican. Is there a difference? I might not be able to tell you about every little detail, but I like to think I know European history well enough in general. (Anyway, let's not wander off because it's about Irish girls!)

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Love / What do Polish guys think of Irish girls? [187]


This is such drivel! You only have to look in your history books to see how the Roman Empire oppressed all of Europe, and they basically invented Catholicism. After that, the Roman Catholics and its Church oppressed all of Europe. Which non-Catholic neighbours oppressed you if I may ask? Oh, and Catholicism isn't a culture, it's a religion, and there's nothing Irish or Polish about that religion.

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Feedback / PolishForums Motto? :) [149]

PF - Positive Feedback.

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Love / I don't know if she's married and I don't speak Polish - help me romantic folks [55]


I don't know about you, but I'm not too shabby too offer some hospitality to a poor damsel in distress?

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Hey now, just keep a little sunshine in your heart young lady, because no one can ever take that away from you!


I'm truly sorry I am..

;)


Nawzajem!

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Love / I don't know if she's married and I don't speak Polish - help me romantic folks [55]


Well, you've heard that right!


You do? Now why would that be? (I'm not a guy you should envy really!) I mean, surely it'll be Spring for you aswell soon enough?

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I guess this is a classical case of how great minds think alike?

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History / What would they think of today's Poland...? [16]


They would think: ''Wow, I wish I was alive, so I could've dated chicks like pgtx!''

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Love / Well.. I got a Polish girl pregnant.. [88]

That too. (I mean all the other useless spermcells though, not me ofcourse!)

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Love / Well.. I got a Polish girl pregnant.. [88]


Exactly, look at the bright side! All the young ladies don't have to end up like single mothers anymore because of all these ''accidents'' that keep happening all over the globe, and all the young fellows don't have to be afraid of babies anymore! It's a win-win situation really! (Oh, and ofcourse it solves the overpopulation problem, without having to start these wars all the time!)

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UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

I've been jobless for four months now. I'm happy to tell you guys I feel like breaking a brick on someone's face.. (But I shouldn't threaten Jan Peter Balkenende, because he might sue me if I did, so that's why I technically didn't.)

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Love / Well.. I got a Polish girl pregnant.. [88]

It's a process which can be reversed though.. I wouldn't mind to be sterilized for a couple of years. Just imagine, you could do everything which looks remotely female and not ever have to worry yourself about babies!

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Love / Well.. I got a Polish girl pregnant.. [88]


Either that, or sterilize yourself. (If you're not too worried about STD's that is.)

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Love / I don't know if she's married and I don't speak Polish - help me romantic folks [55]


If your conversations are boring, then it means she's boring and a possible relationship will probably be boring aswell. Why don't you call an escort girl if you want to get laid? I don't know, but it might you save you a lot of effort..

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Love / Well.. I got a Polish girl pregnant.. [88]


Tell her to do a DNA check once the child is born, and you should take a sample of yourself too. Ask her to send the results to you, and compare the results, and if you're not certain about medical gibberish, consult your doctor. No offense, but she sounds like the type of girl who might sleep around, and you shouldn't have to take care of a child which isn't yours..

Ofcourse there's also a chance that it's your child, and in that case: Be a man and take your responsibilities. (Which shouldn't be too hard for you if she's indeed the hottest thing you've ever seen?)

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UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]


I hate it when I'm right.

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